Too easy to play against

[The Doctor]

8 minutes ago, NotTheMarketLeader said:

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Everton has twice as many attempts / on target as we did.

Half of which were long range punts that didn't trouble Schmeichel at all. Number of shots is irrelevant when compared to quality of chances and theirs were poor - an average of 0.075 xG/chance, skewed upwards by the first goal, which was their only genuinely good chance. Ours was 0.1375 xG/chance - so even though we had half as many shots, on average each one was a much better chance than Everton had.

 

If you want an extreme example of why "more shots" doesn't mean much:

 

Betis - 22 shots, all poor with a sub 4% probability of any one ending in a goal. Levante 6 shots with a 38% probability of any ending in a goal.

 

[volpeazzurro]

13 hours ago, Dan LCFC said:

I keep saying this about Iborra. He carries a bigger goal threat than our other three midfielders combined. His record at Sevilla was similar. He's a genuine threat in the air and before people talk of this "we're a passing side now" we end up lobbing about a hundred crosses to nobody when we're chasing a goal. People sneer at Fellaini at Man Utd but it works.

See your point but Iborra is no Felaini. If you want a mediocre lump up front in the last 5 minutes he'd perhaps be worth a punt now we haven't got a Slimani or Ulloa. People however appear to be suggesting on here that we are susceptible to pace on the counter attack in which case with Iborra, we'd be open to shipping further goals because he's ponderous and doesn't even see let alone have the pace to track runners and also serves to slow down any momentum we have in midfield which is presumably why Puel doesn't pick him. Sadly, he's failed to adapt to our premiership game. The same goes for Silva who is also so easy to brush aside. As well!  At their ages I doubt their caperbility to adapt now. Similar charges can be brought against Pereira at the moment who for a defender can't defend and is at best a mediocre winger/midfielder who needs badly to up his physicality. He at least has age on his side.

[CosbehFox]

Harsh on Iborra, there was a spell around October to December where he was in fine fiddle. By mid March, he was playing through injury. 

 

If you have a look at some of our best goals last season, you’ll see a lot of them start with a first time pass from Ibo. Riyad’s at home to Spurs an example of this 

[Babylon]

3 hours ago, NotTheMarketLeader said:

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Everton has twice as many attempts / on target as we did.

And? I'm not sure what people don't understand about someone shooting doesn't make it a good shot or even a chance. What glaring chances did they miss exactly?

 

They had 17 shots, 9 of which came from set piece situations, of the 8 remaining open play shots 5 were outside the area, two were on the edge of the area. They scored form the only chance they created close in.

 

Barring the goal, I didn't feel particularly threatened at all.

[Babylon]

3 hours ago, The Doctor said:

Half of which were long range punts that didn't trouble Schmeichel at all. Number of shots is irrelevant when compared to quality of chances and theirs were poor - an average of 0.075 xG/chance, skewed upwards by the first goal, which was their only genuinely good chance. Ours was 0.1375 xG/chance - so even though we had half as many shots, on average each one was a much better chance than Everton had.

 

If you want an extreme example of why "more shots" doesn't mean much:

 

Betis - 22 shots, all poor with a sub 4% probability of any one ending in a goal. Levante 6 shots with a 38% probability of any ending in a goal.

 

Saved me the trouble.

[Dan]

7 hours ago, volpeazzurro said:

See your point but Iborra is no Felaini. If you want a mediocre lump up front in the last 5 minutes he'd perhaps be worth a punt now we haven't got a Slimani or Ulloa. People however appear to be suggesting on here that we are susceptible to pace on the counter attack in which case with Iborra, we'd be open to shipping further goals because he's ponderous and doesn't even see let alone have the pace to track runners and also serves to slow down any momentum we have in midfield which is presumably why Puel doesn't pick him. Sadly, he's failed to adapt to our premiership game. The same goes for Silva who is also so easy to brush aside. As well!  At their ages I doubt their caperbility to adapt now. Similar charges can be brought against Pereira at the moment who for a defender can't defend and is at best a mediocre winger/midfielder who needs badly to up his physicality. He at least has age on his side.

There is no doubting Iborra is slow but he does carry a goal threat. When we're chasing a goal (which we often are) and we're chucking in cross after cross anyway I think he'd probably be a better option to come on in a more attacking role than Okazaki. Obviously it won't work every time but I think it'd be a bigger threat than Okazaki coming on.

 

We don't really open teams up with passing moves either.

[l444ry]

Everton were bang average, away from home and yet still had twice as many shots as us. Surely that's the worrying thing. Comes to a pretty pass when you have to get a calculator out to defend Puel and the team's dismal performance. 

[NotTheMarketLeader]

On 08/10/2018 at 10:39, Babylon said:

And? I'm not sure what people don't understand about someone shooting doesn't make it a good shot or even a chance. What glaring chances did they miss exactly?

 

They had 17 shots, 9 of which came from set piece situations, of the 8 remaining open play shots 5 were outside the area, two were on the edge of the area. They scored form the only chance they created close in.

 

Barring the goal, I didn't feel particularly threatened at all.

I seem remember stats like these be banded about last season when we could not buy a win. With two shots on target at home, and a loss; the straw clutching continues. 

 

We've got good players with a poor manager; with our wins either being very fortunate or against two awful sides.

Im surprised more people can’t see this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 9 October 2018 by NotTheMarketLeader

[CosbehFox]

2 hours ago, l444ry said:

Everton were bang average, away from home and yet still had twice as many shots as us. Surely that's the worrying thing. Comes to a pretty pass when you have to get a calculator out to defend Puel and the team's dismal performance. 

Next game I hope we just keep randomly whacking shots from 40 yards out. 

[The Doctor]

7 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Next game I hope we just keep randomly whacking shots from 40 yards out. 

Presents an interesting question for those banging on about number of shots - say against arsenal in 2 weeks we manage 20 shots, 11 on target, all from 30 yards out, that Leno takes easily. They manage 8 shots from good positions in the box, take 2 of them and win 2-0. Are you then declaring that it was a good performance and unlucky because we had more shots (even though they were of far lower quality than Arsenal's) or does it then become about quality of chance rather than number?

[AjcW]

2 hours ago, l444ry said:

Everton were bang average, away from home and yet still had twice as many shots as us. Surely that's the worrying thing. Comes to a pretty pass when you have to get a calculator out to defend Puel and the team's dismal performance. 

We were in charge when Wes got sent off, in my opinion we were about to go on to win comfortably.

That changed the game, nothing else. 

 

Even with ten men it took a wonder goal to win!

[CosbehFox]

12 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

Presents an interesting question for those banging on about number of shots - say against arsenal in 2 weeks we manage 20 shots, 11 on target, all from 30 yards out, that Leno takes easily. They manage 8 shots from good positions in the box, take 2 of them and win 2-0. Are you then declaring that it was a good performance and unlucky because we had more shots (even though they were of far lower quality than Arsenal's) or does it then become about quality of chance rather than number?

I’d illustrate the point with Newcastle last week. 

Their only shot on target was from 60 yards but their best chance was Diame heading wide from a cross. 

[l444ry]

11 minutes ago, AjcW said:

We were in charge when Wes got sent off, in my opinion we were about to go on to win comfortably.

That changed the game, nothing else. 

 

Even with ten men it took a wonder goal to win!

Yes, agree it was our best spell. First half was very poor. Shame there are so many variables involved. Glad you agree that Everton were average.

[AjcW]

1 hour ago, l444ry said:

Yes, agree it was our best spell. First half was very poor. Shame there are so many variables involved. Glad you agree that Everton were average.

Everton are miles away from where they think they are. I was annoyed we didn't test their leaky defence more.... but I think Blame really needs to start being placed at Vardy's door for that as much as service... he had chances as he has done a few times this season.

[UniFox21]

Just now, AjcW said:

Everton are miles away from where they think they are. I was annoyed we didn't test their leaky defence more.... but I think Blame really needs to start being placed at Vardy's door for that as much as service... he had chances as he has done a few times this season.

The impact Zouma had on their defence was huge, he swept or cleared everything away. Yeah Vardy should've done better in a few situations, but blame can't fall fully at his door 

[fuchsntf]

4 hours ago, l444ry said:

Everton were bang average, away from home and yet still had twice as many shots as us. Surely that's the worrying thing. Comes to a pretty pass when you have to get a calculator out to defend Puel and the team's dismal performance. 

Read above posts...

[whoareyaaa]

5 hours ago, Dan LCFC said:

There is no doubting Iborra is slow but he does carry a goal threat. When we're chasing a goal (which we often are) and we're chucking in cross after cross anyway I think he'd probably be a better option to come on in a more attacking role than Okazaki. Obviously it won't work every time but I think it'd be a bigger threat than Okazaki coming on.

 

We don't really open teams up with passing moves either.

Been saying it since the start of the season, at least Iborra can pass a ball and not only pass it but pass it through spaces other players can't (see start of the Everton game) miss placed passes all over the place and passes that couldn't make it through the gap they intend (obviously this was asked of by Puel to pass through spaces) but some players simply can't do it

 

Not only that but he carries a goal threat from corners and protection at the back, has composure on the ball and knows what to do.

 

I'd honestly drop Niddi get him to work on his passing.. it's either Mendy / Iborra or Nididi / Iborra … not Mendy and Nididi

 

lots of work to be done

Edited 8 October 2018 by whoareyaaa

[murphy]

I think if opposition managers are changing their front line to play Leicester then they have spotted that we have a problem.

 

OP is right.

[pazzerfox]

23 hours ago, kingfox said:

Of course but for the first time Silva decided to play him as the lone striker, it was the perfect tactical move, pace and power we couldn't handle him. He changed it up so he could accommodate Bernard too, 7 mins in surprise, surprise, Bernard destroys our weakest side.

 

He needs January and the summer, what an absolutely ridiculous comment. We made the signings we needed to make this summer, we spent £30+ on a right-back and three centre-backs and you're telling me we need another two transfer windows to get it right  

 

We signed Ricardo quickly, we wanted Evans in January, we've obviously scouted Benkovic and Soyuncu. We signed the right kind of players for the areas we needed the most; however we still have problems.

 

It's unacceptable.

It depends what you mean by "get it right".  You do realise that we will never repeat what we did in 15/16 right?  We are Leicester City, not Manchester City!!

 

To say Puel should have everything sorted in two transfer windows is a ridiculous comment.  All successful teams take a long time to build!  Pep didn't win the league straight away, Pearson didn't get us promoted straight away!

 

The puzzle is never complete.  All teams are looking to improve in all areas ALL the time.  When we do buy a new right back, you will be one of the ones moaning that the midfield isn't good enough, or we need a new striker.

 

We are Leicester, we are 10th, we are doing okay. Stop being negative!

[kingfox]

1 hour ago, pazzerfox said:

It depends what you mean by "get it right".  You do realise that we will never repeat what we did in 15/16 right?  We are Leicester City, not Manchester City!!

 

To say Puel should have everything sorted in two transfer windows is a ridiculous comment.  All successful teams take a long time to build!  Pep didn't win the league straight away, Pearson didn't get us promoted straight away!

 

The puzzle is never complete.  All teams are looking to improve in all areas ALL the time.  When we do buy a new right back, you will be one of the ones moaning that the midfield isn't good enough, or we need a new striker.

 

We are Leicester, we are 10th, we are doing okay. Stop being negative!

The old "We will never repeat 15/16 season" comment...

 

Of course we won't, we are nothing more than an inconsistent mid table side.

 

We signed four bloody defenders for more than £30 million to fix our problems from last season, yet we still have problems despite spending that amount. How many new defenders do we need to fix things, another two, four, maybe ten?

 

How can you defend such a thing.

 

And we signed a new RB because we desperately needed a new RB, yet we've signed a RB who seems more suited to the wing, it's laughable.

 

You think I'm negative when I'm simply pointing out an obvious problem, a weakness that is still haunting us despite spending over £30 million.

 

[Lovejoy]

18 hours ago, AjcW said:

Everton are miles away from where they think they are. I was annoyed we didn't test their leaky defence more.... but I think Blame really needs to start being placed at Vardy's door for that as much as service... he had chances as he has done a few times this season.

So are we to be fair. I read so much about how our squad are underperforming, yet I think if you break our squad down, it's nothing more than a top 10 team. Plenty of potential, but right now we're about where we should be. We're part of a group of 11 odd teams who will all take points off each other all season.

[AjcW]

5 minutes ago, Lovejoy said:

So are we to be fair. I read so much about how our squad are underperforming, yet I think if you break our squad down, it's nothing more than a top 10 team. Plenty of potential, but right now we're about where we should be. We're part of a group of 11 odd teams who will all take points off each other all season.

Completely agree. Which is why criticism of the manager is unfair, he's getting the amount of wins/draws/losses i would expect. 

We will only push for 6th/7th when we start throwing some serious cash around at a replacement for Vardy, a creative CM and eventually persuade Wes to step aside.

 

We're playing a team next who will probably finish 6th and have 100m quids worth of strikers in their XI.....