20 more men of mainly Pakistani Muslim background found guilty of grooming, raping and abusing kids.

[I am Rod Hull]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-45918845

 

It seems to me that these stories are hard to discuss on FT.... or maybe we`ve got so used to them it doesn`t matter anymore. 

 

 

[Fox92]

11 years old. Wtf.

[AKCJ]

Obviously what these blokes have done is totally abhorrent and they want chemically castrating.

 

But what the **** does "our kids" mean and who the **** cares who the parents of these scumbags are?

[Izzy]

54 minutes ago, I am Rod Hull said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-45918845

 

It seems to me that these stories are hard to discuss on FT.... or maybe we`ve got so used to them it doesn`t matter anymore. 

I’m not sure what there is to discuss really. I’m sure everyone is in agreement about how despicable it all is.

[fuchsntf]

17 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

Obviously what these blokes have done is totally abhorrent and they want chemically castrating.

 

But what the **** does "our kids" mean and who the **** cares who the parents of these scumbags are?

I am/was as working class,more  than what can be.....

but the parents...??   Was it total lack of interest of what their kids were upto...or is it more complicated.

 

This is by no means a racist attitude,just an experience of life...observation

I would like police and social go to these guys Mosque,and ask what's happening in their community....

Is that how they represent Islam....Some people must of known!!!

[Strokes]

Some of them sentences are pathetic.....

• Manzoor Hassan, 38, of Bland Street, Huddersfield, guilty of administering a noxious substance, inciting child prostitution and supplying a class A drug, sentenced to five years

Mohammed Irfraz, 30, of North Road, Huddersfield, guilty of child abduction and two counts of trafficking for sexual exploitation, sentenced to six year

 

• Mansoor Akhtar, 27, of Blackmoorfoot Road, Huddersfield, guilty of two counts of rape and two counts of trafficking for sexual exploitation, sentenced to eight years

[Guest MattP]

@Strokes has already said it but some of the sentences are beyond belief.

 

How can you be found guilty of multiple counts of rape, trafficking, supplying drugs to an abducted child and be sentenced to just a few years?? Crazy.

 

One small thing to mention as well as its very important, Tommy Robinson often says things that need saying, but his behaviour in reporting on this case nearly let every single one of these animals go free because he nearly caused a mistrial after being warned not to report on it - the law is sacrosanct and it's so so important in cases like this it is upheld.

[RODNEY FERNIO]

Scum were the same ethic background as the Rochdale, Rotherham and Peterborough cases.

 

[StanSP]

50 minutes ago, Izzy Muzzett said:

I’m not sure what there is to discuss really. I’m sure everyone is in agreement about how despicable it all is.

This. 

Whatever race, colour, creed or religion the perpetrators have/believe in, it's fvcking gross and massively disgusting what they have done or get up to. 

As @Strokes said, the sentences for some of them are almost laughable. Far too lenient. 

[StanSP]

1 minute ago, MattP said:

@Strokes has already said it but some of the sentences are beyond belief.

 

How can you be found guilty of multiple counts of rape, trafficking, supplying drugs to an abducted child and be sentenced to just a few years?? Crazy.

 

One small thing to mention as well as its very important, Tommy Robinson often says things that need saying, but his behaviour in reporting on this case nearly let every single one of these animals go free because he nearly caused a mistrial after being warned not to report on it - the law is sacrosanct and it's so so important in cases like this it is upheld.

Agree with this, as well. Many of his backers/supporters couldn't understand this fact though - yet when it's relaid to them what the legalities of it all, they're apparently all 'gang-rape enthusiasts' . Absolute joke how his involvement in this case nearly screwed the whole thing up yet even he was too fvcking stupid to realise - he loves publicity whether it's good or bad and sometimes doesn't realise the ramifications of his actions.

[davieG]

55 minutes ago, Strokes said:

Some of them sentences are pathetic.....

• Manzoor Hassan, 38, of Bland Street, Huddersfield, guilty of administering a noxious substance, inciting child prostitution and supplying a class A drug, sentenced to five years

Mohammed Irfraz, 30, of North Road, Huddersfield, guilty of child abduction and two counts of trafficking for sexual exploitation, sentenced to six year

 

• Mansoor Akhtar, 27, of Blackmoorfoot Road, Huddersfield, guilty of two counts of rape and two counts of trafficking for sexual exploitation, sentenced to eight years

Crimes involving money and property seem to carry stronger sentences

[urban.spaceman]

For balance can we have a thread dedicated to the Catholic Church’s antics too?

[urban.spaceman]

57 minutes ago, Strokes said:

Some of them sentences are pathetic.....

• Manzoor Hassan, 38, of Bland Street, Huddersfield, guilty of administering a noxious substance, inciting child prostitution and supplying a class A drug, sentenced to five years

Mohammed Irfraz, 30, of North Road, Huddersfield, guilty of child abduction and two counts of trafficking for sexual exploitation, sentenced to six year

 

• Mansoor Akhtar, 27, of Blackmoorfoot Road, Huddersfield, guilty of two counts of rape and two counts of trafficking for sexual exploitation, sentenced to eight years

John Darwin was sentenced to 6 years in prison for faking his death with a canoe. 

[Guest MattP]

7 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

For balance can we have a thread dedicated to the Catholic Church’s antics too?

I think we actually did a few years ago.

[bovril]

10 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

For balance can we have a thread dedicated to the Catholic Church’s antics too?

Basically, religion and background is not important. Until it is. 

[Guest MattP]

19 minutes ago, bovril said:

Basically, religion and background is not important. Until it is. 

It always has been, we didn't call the child abuse scandal in the Catholic Church "European".

 

I have no no idea why people are so scared to mention religion now.

 

(Although in this case the oddity seems to be they are all Muslim except the ringleader who has "Singh" in his name and a turban on, which I assume means he's a Sikh)

Edited 20 October 2018 by MattP
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[bovril]

10 minutes ago, MattP said:

It always has been, we didn't call the child abuse scandal in the Catholic Church "European".

 

I have no no idea why people are so scared to mention religion now.

 

(Although in this case the oddity seems to be they are all Muslim except the ringleader who has "Singh" in his name and a turban on, which I assume means he's a Sikh)

You missed my point. I find the "yeah but what about the Catholic Church?" type posts completely irrelevant and tiresome. 

[urban.spaceman]

55 minutes ago, bovril said:

Basically, religion and background is not important. Until it is. 

At least the Muslim communities do their best to disown them.

 

Instead of moving them to another parish/city/country, paying off the families and denying everything while enabling it at the same time...

[Guest MattP]

10 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

At least the Muslim communities do their best to disown them.

They most certainly did not and that was a huge part of the problem

 

I'd recommend a read of "Easy Meat" by Peter McLoughlin - it's a very tough but a really educational view into the whole episode. As the description says he's a left winger who believed the propaganda that this wasn't happening twenty years ago.

 

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29367054-easy-meat 

 

It was quite widespread groupthink that these girls were liars, sluts and they deserved exactly what they got and it contributed to why it happened - fortunately that opinion seems to be changing but this went on for decades. 

Edited 20 October 2018 by MattP

[urban.spaceman]

1 minute ago, MattP said:

They most certainly did not and that was a huge part of the problem

 

I'd recommend a read of "Easy Meat" by Peter McLoughlin - it's a very tough but a really educational view into the whole episode.

 

It was quite widespread groupthink that these girls were liars, sluts and they deserved exactly what they got and it contributed to why it happened - fortunately that opinion seems to be changing but this went on for decades. 

*appear to do their best....

[Guest MattP]

13 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

*appear to do their best....

I wish, the book has many quotes from the wives of the people sent to prison and they make it extremely clear they don't even blame their husbands. They blame the girls, offering themselves. A product of our society.

 

It's only some of course, but it's still pretty horrible reading.

 

The cultural difference in the way we look at these cases is impossible to reconcile. 

[StanSP]

15 minutes ago, MattP said:

I wish, the book has many quotes from the wives of the people sent to prison and they make it extremely clear they don't even blame their husbands. They blame the girls, offering themselves. A product of our society.

 

It's only some of course, but it's still pretty horrible reading.

 

The cultural difference in the way we look at these cases is impossible to reconcile. 

I think what @urban.spaceman may have been alluding to is imams or leaders of mosques coming out and saying they despise the actions of these men etc etc. Making a statement to distance themselves from the reprobates. Whether they knew of the men or knew of their actions is another matter (speculative, I know). 

[Lionator]

2 hours ago, MattP said:

@Strokes has already said it but some of the sentences are beyond belief.

 

How can you be found guilty of multiple counts of rape, trafficking, supplying drugs to an abducted child and be sentenced to just a few years?? Crazy.

 

One small thing to mention as well as its very important, Tommy Robinson often says things that need saying, but his behaviour in reporting on this case nearly let every single one of these animals go free because he nearly caused a mistrial after being warned not to report on it - the law is sacrosanct and it's so so important in cases like this it is upheld.

Tommy Robinson wants these people to be set free so it can fuel his fire, 100%. 

 

These men are vile, disgusting humans and will rightfully pay the price of our justice system.

[fuchsntf]

2 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

For balance can we have a thread dedicated to the Catholic Church’s antics too?

There's been enough of them on this forum as well....!!!  Balance achieved!!

[urban.spaceman]

33 minutes ago, fuchsntf said:

There's been enough of them on this forum as well....!!!  Balance achieved!!

Has there though? It feels like it just gets swept under the carpet until the next scandal!