Jamie Vardy Appreciation

[Nalis]

On 01/11/2024 at 21:23, Harpenden Fox said:

Whatever happens this season, every home game should be a non stop tribute to this legend. We will never ever see the likes of him again. Sing his name. Remember your favourite Vardy goal. Savour every minute we have left of him.

Through what I do, I end up talking to a lot of new people across England and the conversation occasionally switches to football.

 

I've been amazed at the amount of times Vardy comes up positively in conversation even when I haven't mentioned I'm a Leicester fan (I'm not from Leicester either so its assumed I support Man Utd or Liverpool since I'm Irish) and the people bringing him up randomly in conversations support all sorts of teams.

 

The good thing is most fans praise his unique style of play and his finishing rather than just acknowledging his shithousery.

[OnlyOneCity]

1 hour ago, dmayne7 said:

I said big club

So you are a Spurs fan🤨. Vardy’s team ethic was really highlighted when we played Swansea in 2015/16, a week after Vardy beat the goal scoring record. He was in a decent position to shoot and break the all time top division record, but chose instead to lay the ball off to Mahrez who was in a better position, who scored and I think completed his hat trick. Vardy is the epitome of a team mate.

[dmayne7]

30 minutes ago, OnlyOneCity said:

So you are a Spurs fan🤨. Vardy’s team ethic was really highlighted when we played Swansea in 2015/16, a week after Vardy beat the goal scoring record. He was in a decent position to shoot and break the all time top division record, but chose instead to lay the ball off to Mahrez who was in a better position, who scored and I think completed his hat trick. Vardy is the epitome of a team mate.

I laughed once at somebody telling me to support Spurs, but this is the straw that broke the camels back.

 

Where did I say that Vardy wasn't a team player? I was responding to a comment that suggesting Kane was selfish (which is nonsense) and that Vardy is a better all-round footballer (also nonsense).

 

I love Vardy; you'd have to be an odd fan not to. And I also think he was genuinely world class at his peak. He's without doubt one of the greatest strikers to play in the PL and it's a crime that he's only got 25ish England caps. But the idea that because Vardy is great, Kane cannot be is so stupid.

[It'sblueupnorth]

3 hours ago, dmayne7 said:

Did you just not have any interaction with the outside world during the summer? All the talk was about how he was too deep and needed to be more selfish and stay up top.

 

Assume the first point is about him taking corners in the 2016 world cup? Something that was an instruction from the manager?

 

Obviously Kane would swap his goals for Vardy's trophies but I think you're losing that battle. I personally would put them both in the top 10 all time but Kane is probably going to get in most people's top 3.

Hes the most selfish player I think I have ever watched. IMO he was too deep during the summer because he wasn’t up to speed and shouldn’t have even been playing, to me that is more selfish than seeing the manager and saying look I’m not 100% but I can give you half an hour off the bench. You’ll counter that with how there’d be outrage blah blah blah but there’s no surprise we looked better with Watkins up top during the summer than Kane. 
It’s the same scenario as when he wasn’t fully fit for the champions league final against Liverpool but he played, it’s all about him. 
The point is about how he would genuinely take every set piece available to him, you think there was an instruction for the deadliest striker in Europe to not be in the box for set pieces? And he’s about 6 ft 2 as well so it’s not like you can even say he’d be more use whipping them in, sorry but I just don’t buy that that was actually said. He also takes free kicks despite I don’t think he’s ever had one on target never mind scoring one. He’s like that kid at u10s who literally takes everything.

Kane absolutely would swap his trophies he even said it in an interview after a game in 2016 when asked if he’d get one over Vardy at the England camp for scoring more goals. Football is about winning trophies, that’s why Kane has gone to Germany cause he wasn’t going to win any at spurs or Man U 

[dmayne7]

42 minutes ago, It'sblueupnorth said:

Hes the most selfish player I think I have ever watched. IMO he was too deep during the summer because he wasn’t up to speed and shouldn’t have even been playing, to me that is more selfish than seeing the manager and saying look I’m not 100% but I can give you half an hour off the bench. You’ll counter that with how there’d be outrage blah blah blah but there’s no surprise we looked better with Watkins up top during the summer than Kane. 
It’s the same scenario as when he wasn’t fully fit for the champions league final against Liverpool but he played, it’s all about him. 
The point is about how he would genuinely take every set piece available to him, you think there was an instruction for the deadliest striker in Europe to not be in the box for set pieces? And he’s about 6 ft 2 as well so it’s not like you can even say he’d be more use whipping them in, sorry but I just don’t buy that that was actually said. He also takes free kicks despite I don’t think he’s ever had one on target never mind scoring one. He’s like that kid at u10s who literally takes everything.

Kane absolutely would swap his trophies he even said it in an interview after a game in 2016 when asked if he’d get one over Vardy at the England camp for scoring more goals. Football is about winning trophies, that’s why Kane has gone to Germany cause he wasn’t going to win any at spurs or Man U 

 The most selfish player you've seen. Guess you haven't watched much football then. We're just coming off the back of the great Messi/Ronaldo era the latter being a guy who is furious if he doesn't score and shoots from everywhere. How can you claim Kane is most selfish player when you will surely have seen Ronaldo play? Hyperbole in the extreme.

 

Same amount of games in the PL as Vardy, 20 more big chances created, so how does that make him selfish?

 

Yeah, he definitely didn't look right and I'd have loved to have seen Watkins play more, just as I would with Gordon and Palmer. What's your point? Pretty much every player in the world will do whatever they can to play in a world cup so don't see how that makes him selfish either?

 

I've heard Gary Neville say that the instruction was for him to take corners. And surely the more selfish play would be not to take them so he has a chance of scoring? Look at the following tournament (realise I said 2016 world cup when I meant euros), when he didn't take them and scored from being on the end of set pieces. Why would any striker prefer to take a corner than have a chance of scoring? Probably because it's the complete opposite of being selfish. It was a stupid instruction but that's what it was.

 

Yes, football is about winning trophies. Who said it isn't? Pretty sure I said he would swap his goals for Vardy's trophies, so absolutely no idea why you've just repeated that.

 

It's not like I even love Harry Kane FFS. It just seems that we have a weird fanbase that slag off ex-players (and whilst they're current players) and then cry when they celebrate against us. Don't give it if you can't take it, especially whilst we're celebrating having the greatest wind up merchant of all time on our books.

 

Vardy is viewed as iconic by other fans but not as one of the greatest in PL history as he should be. And when people trot out the narrative of Kane not being good, selfish etc, it completely undermines the chances of people taking that viewpoint on Vardy seriously.

[It'sblueupnorth]

1 hour ago, dmayne7 said:

 The most selfish player you've seen. Guess you haven't watched much football then. We're just coming off the back of the great Messi/Ronaldo era the latter being a guy who is furious if he doesn't score and shoots from everywhere. How can you claim Kane is most selfish player when you will surely have seen Ronaldo play? Hyperbole in the extreme.

 

Same amount of games in the PL as Vardy, 20 more big chances created, so how does that make him selfish?

 

Yeah, he definitely didn't look right and I'd have loved to have seen Watkins play more, just as I would with Gordon and Palmer. What's your point? Pretty much every player in the world will do whatever they can to play in a world cup so don't see how that makes him selfish either?

 

I've heard Gary Neville say that the instruction was for him to take corners. And surely the more selfish play would be not to take them so he has a chance of scoring? Look at the following tournament (realise I said 2016 world cup when I meant euros), when he didn't take them and scored from being on the end of set pieces. Why would any striker prefer to take a corner than have a chance of scoring? Probably because it's the complete opposite of being selfish. It was a stupid instruction but that's what it was.

 

Yes, football is about winning trophies. Who said it isn't? Pretty sure I said he would swap his goals for Vardy's trophies, so absolutely no idea why you've just repeated that.

 

It's not like I even love Harry Kane FFS. It just seems that we have a weird fanbase that slag off ex-players (and whilst they're current players) and then cry when they celebrate against us. Don't give it if you can't take it, especially whilst we're celebrating having the greatest wind up merchant of all time on our books.

 

Vardy is viewed as iconic by other fans but not as one of the greatest in PL history as he should be. And when people trot out the narrative of Kane not being good, selfish etc, it completely undermines the chances of people taking that viewpoint on Vardy seriously.

Hyperbole in the extreme yet you can only think of Ronaldo who is more selfish? Ronaldo probably is more selfish but when you’ve had the career he’s had he probably gets more of a free pass, like I’ve mentioned with the champs league final it’s all about Kane.

Same amount of games as Vardy, how many more touches, how many times has Kane given up the chance of taking a pen over other players? Do you think Kane would have let anybody else take pens or free kicks within the oppositions half for anyone else?

My point is pretty self explanatory, he wasn’t right yet decided to hinder the team to play, yet he’d have always got minutes.

Like I’ve said it’s like that kid at u10s football who has to take everything, I just can’t imagine professional coaches telling him they want him on corners. 
You said I was onto a losing battle so presumed you might say that you’d rather be the top premier scorer than win trophies but obviously that’s not the case.

I’m in no way that bothered about ex players celebrating against us, but Kane is a dislikable guy (you can disagree with it I’m not bothered that is just a personal opinion, I’m not arsed how many burning orphanages or charity functions he’s been to) and is incredibly selfish as a player, and I don’t understand how you don’t think he’s selfish, the bloke swore on his daughters life to claim a goal that never even touched his head, he’s rancid

[Freeman's Wharfer]

The whole Kane vs Vardy stuff is cheap and tired now. No need to turn this thread into that kind of Talksport/Twitter nonsense.

 

I can see Vardy doing another year here if we stay up. Still has so much to offer the team.

[dmayne7]

1 hour ago, It'sblueupnorth said:

Hyperbole in the extreme yet you can only think of Ronaldo who is more selfish? Ronaldo probably is more selfish but when you’ve had the career he’s had he probably gets more of a free pass, like I’ve mentioned with the champs league final it’s all about Kane.

Same amount of games as Vardy, how many more touches, how many times has Kane given up the chance of taking a pen over other players? Do you think Kane would have let anybody else take pens or free kicks within the oppositions half for anyone else?

My point is pretty self explanatory, he wasn’t right yet decided to hinder the team to play, yet he’d have always got minutes.

Like I’ve said it’s like that kid at u10s football who has to take everything, I just can’t imagine professional coaches telling him they want him on corners. 
You said I was onto a losing battle so presumed you might say that you’d rather be the top premier scorer than win trophies but obviously that’s not the case.

I’m in no way that bothered about ex players celebrating against us, but Kane is a dislikable guy (you can disagree with it I’m not bothered that is just a personal opinion, I’m not arsed how many burning orphanages or charity functions he’s been to) and is incredibly selfish as a player, and I don’t understand how you don’t think he’s selfish, the bloke swore on his daughters life to claim a goal that never even touched his head, he’s rancid

What an earth are you on about? I simply gave an example of the two most famous players in world football over the past 20 years and one of them happened to be more selfish than Kane. I wasn't going to sit there and list every player I've ever seen was I .

 

Again, no idea what point you're trying to make on pens. He's the best pen taking at his club, should he have given them up so Hugo Lloris could have taken them? Might be worth asking Vards to stop taking them too in case somebody else wants them.

 

I was talking about being on to a losing battle if you think most people are going to rank Kane above Vardy in the all time greats list. I wasn't completely explicit about that so my bad.

 

So you've basically admitted that you really don't like him which is clearly informing you opinion. Everything that you're saying makes him selfish is the same thing ever single professional footballer would do but the one bit of evidence (chances created for other players) that has been brought up, is apparently reason to be ignored. Cool.

[MrsJohnMurphy]

6 hours ago, honeybradger said:

When England are playing I have no faith in Harry Kane in big tournament matches despite him being England's all time top scorer. That's why I will never rate Kane as highly as most, he doesnt inspire confidence that he's going to get you over the line. I think there's a ridiculous stat that he has 0 shots on target in ths 6 finals he has played.

 

Vardy has less goals than Kane but what he has achieved is far greater and it feels like he has a bigger impact on the success of the team. I'm certain that if you gave Vardy the opportunities Kane has had (10 years at Spurs and England's Nr 1) he would have won trophies.

the difference between the likes of Rooney, Kane etc and Lineker

[Wymsey]

Can see him taking part in something like I'm A Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here! In the future, with his banter etc..

[Webbo]

6 hours ago, honeybradger said:

When England are playing I have no faith in Harry Kane in big tournament matches .

 

He won the golden boot in the 2018 world cup and was joint top scorer at the last euros, what's he got to do to win your confidence?

[MrsJohnMurphy]

10 minutes ago, Webbo said:

He won the golden boot in the 2018 world cup and was joint top scorer at the last euros, what's he got to do to win your confidence?

Score less penalties of deflections off his arse

[MrsJohnMurphy]

13 minutes ago, Webbo said:

He won the golden boot in the 2018 world cup and was joint top scorer at the last euros, what's he got to do to win your confidence?

possibly the worst Golden Boot in history

 

 

[honeybradger]

38 minutes ago, Webbo said:

He won the golden boot in the 2018 world cup and was joint top scorer at the last euros, what's he got to do to win your confidence?

He was really bad at the last Euros, top scorer or not, most people who watched would agree. He was decent at the 2018 world cup but he was poor against the good teams we faced like Croatia and Belgium.

 

Compare him to someone like Lineker who scored against Argentina in the quarter final in 1986 who went onto win it and West Germany in the semi final in 1990 who also won it, Kane doesnt really perform against the best teams.

 

 

[Webbo]

16 minutes ago, honeybradger said:

He was really bad at the last Euros, top scorer or not, most people who watched would agree. He was decent at the 2018 world cup but he was poor against the good teams we faced like Croatia and Belgium.

 

Compare him to someone like Lineker who scored against Argentina in the quarter final in 1986 who went onto win it and West Germany in the semi final in 1990 who also won it, Kane doesnt really perform against the best teams.

 

 

Didn't Lineker score 2 pens against Cameroon?

[It'sblueupnorth]

2 hours ago, dmayne7 said:

What an earth are you on about? I simply gave an example of the two most famous players in world football over the past 20 years and one of them happened to be more selfish than Kane. I wasn't going to sit there and list every player I've ever seen was I .

 

Again, no idea what point you're trying to make on pens. He's the best pen taking at his club, should he have given them up so Hugo Lloris could have taken them? Might be worth asking Vards to stop taking them too in case somebody else wants them.

 

I was talking about being on to a losing battle if you think most people are going to rank Kane above Vardy in the all time greats list. I wasn't completely explicit about that so my bad.

 

So you've basically admitted that you really don't like him which is clearly informing you opinion. Everything that you're saying makes him selfish is the same thing ever single professional footballer would do but the one bit of evidence (chances created for other players) that has been brought up, is apparently reason to be ignored. Cool.

How do you not know what I’m on about, I’ve been quite clear, I said he was the most selfish player I’d ever seen yet you could only name Ronaldo as someone who is more so. Who have you seen other than Kane who has swore on his daughter’s life to claim a goal that he was no where near? 

I wasn’t making a point about pens, I asked how many times you have seen Kane step aside and let another player take them, Vardy has a pretty good record from the spot but has stepped aside to let a player have a go, most notably the season we went down to let Maddison take one against Everton, despite Maddison being horrendous from the spot, he afair had a better record than Mahrez from the spot but still didn’t interfere with him taking them, this wouldn’t be the case with Kane despite him having other capable players around him. 

 

My dislike to him has nothing to do with his ability as a footballer or this debate, he’s clearly a world class striker, but you’re skirting around all the points I’ve come back at you to say he’s not selfish and that’s that. The comparison to Vardy and chances created is a bit of a moot point to me, Kane was deployed in a very different role to Vardy in the prem, and is a technically more capable player. Notice how you have used chances created opposed to shots per game (1.20 v 3.76), is an equally misleading stat as spurs would have created more chances, averaged more shots per game, had more of the ball etc etc. There were games under Rodgers where Vardy touched the ball about 10 times a game, it’s a bit of a tactical discussion and doesn’t really factor in to how selfish Kane is. Tbh you’ve not even said how Kane isn’t selfish you’ve just stated a chances created stat and said everybody else does it so it’s fine. The World Cup and champs league final I understand to a point but clearly hindered his team and country which to me is a completely selfish thing to do. 

The thing is we’re clearly not going to agree on this so this is the last I’ll say on it as I can’t be arsed to write war and peace in response, but I’ve stated a fair few reasons if you don’t think he’s selfish then fair enough but it’s not something that has to affect a discussion on whether Vardy goes into the top 10 strikers in prem history. And it isn’t even a Vardy v Kane debate tbh, if Vardy wasn’t even involved in this conversation the things I’ve mentioned would still be the same

[honeybradger]

1 hour ago, Webbo said:

Didn't Lineker score 2 pens against Cameroon?

Yes he did but I am not bothered about golden boots personally. Lineker showed can can step up against good opposition like 1986 Argentina and 1990 Germany whilst Kane hasnt done that for England yet, even if those teams did knock England out.

[Graceroad]

15 hours ago, Freeman's Wharfer said:

The whole Kane vs Vardy stuff is cheap and tired now. No need to turn this thread into that kind of Talksport/Twitter nonsense.

 

I can see Vardy doing another year here if we stay up. Still has so much to offer the team.

I agree if we stay up and Vardy finishes  with 10-15 goals which I think he will if he stays fit  then I expect he will get another year

[StanSP]

Vardy injured just as I'm a Celeb starts? 

 

Someone gotta look after the kids while Rebekah might be away

[Wymsey]

Had the back issue for a while.

[foxfanazer]

1 minute ago, Wymsey said:

Had the back issue for a while.

Carrying a football club for years will do that to you

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

We've come a long long way together

From the Skybet to the Prem

I have to celebrate you Vardy

I have to praise you like I should

 

Imagine 50,000 singing that every week down the King Power

[foxfanazer]

1 minute ago, Miquel The Work Geordie said:

We've come a long long way together

From the Skybet to the Prem

I have to celebrate you Vardy

I have to praise you like I should

 

Imagine 50,000 singing that every week down the King Power

Where are the other 18 thousand people sitting?

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

Just now, foxfanazer said:

Where are the other 18 thousand people sitting?

 

In the King Power

[AKCJ]

5 minutes ago, Miquel The Work Geordie said:

We've come a long long way together

From the Skybet to the Prem

I have to celebrate you Vardy

I have to praise you like I should

 

Imagine 50,000 singing that every week down the King Power