Guest SO1 Posted 2 October 2019 Posted 2 October 2019 On 30/09/2019 at 05:31, MC Prussian said: Oh, look. Russiagate - fraud. Ukrainegate - fraud. Let the Democrats search for the dirt they so desperately want, let them and their affiliated media outlets push for more "...gates", because by the time they realize there is nothing, the 2020 elections will have gone by, with Trump re-elected by a landslide. The Democrats are a parody of what they once were. I used to have so much more sympathy and respect for them, but then along came Monica Lewinsky and it all took a turn for the worse. Both parties and the system are hopelessly corrupt. Waiting for the break up which feels like will be a repeat of the USSR.
Guest SO1 Posted 2 October 2019 Posted 2 October 2019 On 30/09/2019 at 07:20, MC Prussian said: You're doing the exact same thing as me, stating your opinion, and that's fine by me. I just don't see how four more years of Donald Trump equal "four lost years" as you put it. That we cannot be sure of. The US have seen a great surge in economical progress under Trump, he has managed to bring the unemployment rate even further down (which is no easy feat in itself; kudos to Obama to starting the process). The Democrats to me also seem mainly hell-bent on kicking him out of office because they know the four years will give him the time necessary to go after the Clintons and other rotten apples in the Democratic party that have displayed questionable behaviour leading up to the 2016 election and ever since. And in the same post you hint at a collusion between the far-right and the Trump administration (or on a global scale, you're not precise enough here). I think that is a fatal logical error on your behalf. And populist. Sure, we need to be aware of extremism - on all sides. The fact that you're excluding left-wing extremism (be it anarchist, communist, socialist, socio-ecological, and whatnot) indicates a somewhat distinct lack of awareness in that regard. When it comes to the economy don't believe the hype. Stats can be massaged in all kinds of ways. Glad things are working out for you.
ozleicester Posted 2 October 2019 Posted 2 October 2019 1 hour ago, SO1 said: When it comes to the economy don't believe the hype. Stats can be massaged in all kinds of ways. Glad things are working out for you. In australia, if you work 1 (one) hour per week, you are classed as "employed" and do not show on the unemployment data. Donald Trump slams 'pathetic' Federal Reserve and Wall Street tumbles as US factory activity hits 10-year low
Guest SO1 Posted 2 October 2019 Posted 2 October 2019 7 hours ago, ozleicester said: In australia, if you work 1 (one) hour per week, you are classed as "employed" and do not show on the unemployment data. Donald Trump slams 'pathetic' Federal Reserve and Wall Street tumbles as US factory activity hits 10-year low Exactly. We're beyond politics now. The men/managers in suits had their chance and have broken us. The people who work with their hands and hearts will have to find find ways to put us back together. Finance must die.
ozleicester Posted 2 October 2019 Posted 2 October 2019 36 minutes ago, SO1 said: Exactly. We're beyond politics now. The men/managers in suits had their chance and have broken us. The people who work with their hands and hearts will have to find find ways to put us back together. Finance must die.
leicsmac Posted 2 October 2019 Posted 2 October 2019 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49899090 More bashing heads going on. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49901867 Good to see the legal system holding up at least somewhat in the South.
Guest SO1 Posted 2 October 2019 Posted 2 October 2019 1 hour ago, leicsmac said: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49899090 More bashing heads going on. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49901867 Good to see the legal system holding up at least somewhat in the South. With regards to Georgia. Sometimes you just have to put peoples backs against the wall in order for them to do the right thing, Our dumb politicians have no idea what's coming as they continue their assault on our civil liberties. Kemp is a piece of work. Georgia's corrupt voting system at work.
Alf Bentley Posted 2 October 2019 Posted 2 October 2019 https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/02/bernie-sanders-heart-surgery-cancels-events "Bernie Sanders has had heart surgery for an artery blockage and is canceling events until further notice, according to his campaign office. Sanders, 78, a Vermont senator and one of the most prominent 2020 Democratic presidential candidates, was hospitalised in Nevada on Tuesday night. "During a campaign event yesterday evening, Senator Sanders experienced some chest discomfort. Following medical evaluation and testing he was found to have a blockage in one artery and two stents were successfully inserted,” Sanders’ senior adviser Jeff Weaver on Wednesday in a statement, ABC reported. “Senator Sanders is conversing and in good spirits. He will be resting up over the next few days,” Weaver added. “We are canceling his events and appearances until further notice, and we will continue to provide appropriate updates.” I wonder if that's the end of his presidential campaign?
Jimothy Posted 2 October 2019 Posted 2 October 2019 Just now, Alf Bentley said: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/02/bernie-sanders-heart-surgery-cancels-events "Bernie Sanders has had heart surgery for an artery blockage and is canceling events until further notice, according to his campaign office. Sanders, 78, a Vermont senator and one of the most prominent 2020 Democratic presidential candidates, was hospitalised in Nevada on Tuesday night. "During a campaign event yesterday evening, Senator Sanders experienced some chest discomfort. Following medical evaluation and testing he was found to have a blockage in one artery and two stents were successfully inserted,” Sanders’ senior adviser Jeff Weaver on Wednesday in a statement, ABC reported. “Senator Sanders is conversing and in good spirits. He will be resting up over the next few days,” Weaver added. “We are canceling his events and appearances until further notice, and we will continue to provide appropriate updates.” I wonder if that's the end of his presidential campaign? There's surely got to be an upper age limit on standing for office. Biden is late 70's and was TV the other week, mumbling and getting confused between a TV and a wireless. The mental and physical demands are surely too much for most people of such advanced years?
Alf Bentley Posted 2 October 2019 Posted 2 October 2019 2 minutes ago, Facecloth said: There's surely got to be an upper age limit on standing for office. Biden is late 70's and was TV the other week, mumbling and getting confused between a TV and a wireless. The mental and physical demands are surely too much for most people of such advanced years? They should impose an immediate cap at, say, 73.....................Donald Trump is 73. Being serious, not sure what I think. Some people are deteriorating (or dead) at a much younger age than 78. Others retain their marbles.....Denis Skinner, Ken Clarke, the Queen.... Statistically, a lot fewer 78-year-olds could hack it than 45-year-olds, but younger, more energetic candidates could lack experience, historical perspective and wisdom? I cannot imagine that Bernie will be able to stay in the race, though. There would already have been question marks, given his age (though he seems lively and alert).....but being 78 & having been hospitalised for heart issues will surely mean he's not a viable candidate, even if Trump is no spring chicken either.....
Jimothy Posted 2 October 2019 Posted 2 October 2019 2 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said: They should impose an immediate cap at, say, 73.....................Donald Trump is 73. Being serious, not sure what I think. Some people are deteriorating (or dead) at a much younger age than 78. Others retain their marbles.....Denis Skinner, Ken Clarke, the Queen.... Statistically, a lot fewer 78-year-olds could hack it than 45-year-olds, but younger, more energetic candidates could lack experience, historical perspective and wisdom? I cannot imagine that Bernie will be able to stay in the race, though. There would already have been question marks, given his age (though he seems lively and alert).....but being 78 & having been hospitalised for heart issues will surely mean he's not a viable candidate, even if Trump is no spring chicken either..... Excellent idea about setting the cap at 73. All good points though, it's a tough thing. If someone is in good health and has all their marbles it's easy to forget how old they are. Maybe medical test need doing or something?
Alf Bentley Posted 2 October 2019 Posted 2 October 2019 3 minutes ago, Facecloth said: Maybe medical test need doing or something? That's an option and might exclude someone who was already medically unfit, but it doesn't resolve the issue. Someone can be perfectly healthy, then deteriorate, fall ill or die quite suddenly. John Smith had recovered from earlier heart issues, was apparently fit & then dropped dead at 55. Mo Mowlam was healthy, got a brain tumour and died at the same age. Of course, the odds of a problem are much greater at 78 than at 45 or 55, but maybe that's factored into the judgments made by parties/politicians approving party candidates and voters electing or not electing them?
LiberalFox Posted 2 October 2019 Posted 2 October 2019 I think you have to leave it to voters though I remember reading somewhere people tend to deteriorate mentally after 70. I dislike having powerful executives anyway.
The Horse's Mouth Posted 2 October 2019 Posted 2 October 2019 Yanks love an old **** for some reason, cant believe we're probably get an election between Biden and Trump
Carl the Llama Posted 2 October 2019 Posted 2 October 2019 I hope Bernie doesn't pull out, he's the President the USA needs right now.
The Horse's Mouth Posted 2 October 2019 Posted 2 October 2019 Just now, Carl the Llama said: I hope Bernie doesn't pull out, he's the President the USA needs right now. mans only doing it do buy another holiday home
leicsmac Posted 3 October 2019 Posted 3 October 2019 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49914704 How statesmanlike.
Jattdogg Posted 3 October 2019 Posted 3 October 2019 https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5305840 Embarrassed to be Canadian right now but my man Jagmeet kept it classy. Not surprised by some French Canadians who appear to dislike people that arent white Canadian like them. I've experienced it personally several times while in Quebec (thank fook we moved from there a long time ago) and with their bans on turbans, hijabs and religious symbols in public schools, parliament etc its a damn shame. Its as if they are scared they will be converted. Like i walk around attempting to make people convert to sikhism... righhhhtttt. Sorry mate, i've got better things to do with my time.
ozleicester Posted 3 October 2019 Posted 3 October 2019 Wish that Bernie had a combined ticket with someone like.. Warren. An interesting team that would make
MC Prussian Posted 3 October 2019 Posted 3 October 2019 13 hours ago, Alf Bentley said: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/02/bernie-sanders-heart-surgery-cancels-events "Bernie Sanders has had heart surgery for an artery blockage and is canceling events until further notice, according to his campaign office. Sanders, 78, a Vermont senator and one of the most prominent 2020 Democratic presidential candidates, was hospitalised in Nevada on Tuesday night. "During a campaign event yesterday evening, Senator Sanders experienced some chest discomfort. Following medical evaluation and testing he was found to have a blockage in one artery and two stents were successfully inserted,” Sanders’ senior adviser Jeff Weaver on Wednesday in a statement, ABC reported. “Senator Sanders is conversing and in good spirits. He will be resting up over the next few days,” Weaver added. “We are canceling his events and appearances until further notice, and we will continue to provide appropriate updates.” I wonder if that's the end of his presidential campaign? 13 hours ago, Facecloth said: There's surely got to be an upper age limit on standing for office. Biden is late 70's and was TV the other week, mumbling and getting confused between a TV and a wireless. The mental and physical demands are surely too much for most people of such advanced years? Biden also had a pink eye and at one point lost his teeth in one of the debates... Definitely old age creeping up on both him and Sanders, although Sanders has been able to hide it a bit better in recent years. Biden will be 78 by next year's election, Sanders 79. By the time they'd reach the end of their potential first term (if they were elected), they'd be in between 81 to 83 years old! It is a bit of a farce that people that old are able to participate in a presidential campaign, there should definitely be an upper age limit, maybe 70, or even 65. What good does it do when you're president and can't last your first year or two? They should resign and stop it right here, right now. Enjoy some more quality time with their families instead. Being the POTUSA is a full-time job, very energy-consuming (compare Obama's physical appearance of 2008 with the one 2016/17). The average age for a first-termer is around the 52-year mark, I think.
Innovindil Posted 3 October 2019 Posted 3 October 2019 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49914974 Sad story all round. Innocent man shot dead in his own home and the woman now has 10 years in a slammer to look forward to because of it. I like the idea of owning a gun, but only the idea of it. You mix it with this always on edge almost boardering paranoia state of mind then you end up with shit like this happening. Not worth it I think.
leicsmac Posted 3 October 2019 Posted 3 October 2019 6 minutes ago, Innovindil said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49914974 Sad story all round. Innocent man shot dead in his own home and the woman now has 10 years in a slammer to look forward to because of it. I like the idea of owning a gun, but only the idea of it. You mix it with this always on edge almost boardering paranoia state of mind then you end up with shit like this happening. Not worth it I think. Very sad all round, aye. You do wonder, however, what the sentence would have been had the same defence been used but the perp had not been a cop and white. That being said, the brother of the victim clearly thinks it was a terrible mistake and he has as much reason to feel bitter as anyone so maybe it fits in this case.
leicsmac Posted 3 October 2019 Posted 3 October 2019 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49911035 More on Bernie - FWIW I've thought his age to be a concern for a while like other on here, at that age physical health can deteriorate really quickly. So I wouldn't be against the idea of an upper age limit on running for President either. Like to see he made the Medicare for All point while talking about his recovery too - if he doesn't end up running, I'm hoping someone does pick that up as a campaign promise.
Finnegan Posted 3 October 2019 Posted 3 October 2019 3 minutes ago, leicsmac said: I wouldn't be against the idea of an upper age limit on running for President either. Anyone older than 72.
Guest MattP Posted 3 October 2019 Posted 3 October 2019 Some of these age limits suggested here would have stopped or cut short the leadership of Clement Attlee, Andrew Jackson, Winston Churchill, Nelson Mandela, Dwight Eisenhower, Ronald Reagan, George Washington and Benjamin Disraeli. If anything we should be wondering why we've seemingly lost so many old, wise folk from political discourse and left people opting for politicians like Trudeau or Boris. There should never be an age limit to standing for office, it's up to the public to decide whether you are fit for the job or not.
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