Ayoze Pérez

[Guest]

Yeah I thought he was ok. Not outstanding or anything but put himself about plenty, played a few nice passes and clearly has a decent understanding with Ricardo. I guess the problem is that he did all that without ever looking particularly likely to score but he wasn't alone in that - I dread to think what the response would have been if he'd missed the two good chances Vardy had.

[Kilworthfox]

I find it interesting, that no club is interested in buying, or even loaning Perez?

Edited 9 August 2021 by Kilworthfox

[Ric Flair]

What bemuses me about Perez is just how bad he is at finishing. There's various other weaknesses such as he's quite slow, lightweight and loses the ball so often but he makes up for that with neat footwork and he wins the ball a fair bit too. 

 

But when it comes to his finishing, he is so bad and its baffling. He scored a decent amount for Newcastle. I know he only had 1 season in double figures at this level but he had others where he got 7-9 and several assists. But here he barely assists and he barely scores either. His first season, those 8 goals came in 5 games. 

 

I really want him to do well here, it would solve a massive conundrum but I just can't see how he improves much. Maybe it's confidence, but he's well settled in here and last season was his worst with no fans so it's not a case of the boo boys getting to him. Big season for him, if we got 6 goals and 6 assists from him it could be huge with Barnes, Maddison, Vardy/Daka and Iheanacho. 

[Sharpe's Fox]

2 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

What bemuses me about Perez is just how bad he is at finishing. There's various other weaknesses such as he's quite slow, lightweight and loses the ball so often but he makes up for that with neat footwork and he wins the ball a fair bit too. 

 

But when it comes to his finishing, he is so bad and its baffling. He scored a decent amount for Newcastle. I know he only had 1 season in double figures at this level but he had others where he got 7-9 and several assists. But here he barely assists and he barely scores either. His first season, those 8 goals came in 5 games. 

 

I really want him to do well here, it would solve a massive conundrum but I just can't see how he improves much. Maybe it's confidence, but he's well settled in here and last season was his worst with no fans so it's not a case of the boo boys getting to him. Big season for him, if we got 6 goals and 6 assists from him it could be huge with Barnes, Maddison, Vardy/Daka and Iheanacho. 

Yep. As a signing it sort of made sense. Someone on one side who get can get in the box, finish well and bag goals with Barnes, Ricardo (and back then Chilwell) going past players out wide. The only time he has ever done that though is when we beat Southampton 9-0, and his full back in that game had been sent off 10 minutes in. Surely there comes a point if Brendan does want a player like that that you have to go in the market for someone who might actually be able to do it.

[honeybradger]

On 07/08/2021 at 23:57, STUHILL said:

The one thing I will say about him, especially after looking back at all the celebrations, he is undoubtedly a very popular player within the team and management. 

I know that doesn't mean he should be starting every week, but I do think he is a very positive character to have around the squad. 

I would say that's the main reason why im fine with us keeping him as part of the squad, he's like a cheerleader for us off the pitch on social media. Shouldnt be a starter though but it's not his fault.

[Kilworthfox]

44 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

What bemuses me about Perez is just how bad he is at finishing. There's various other weaknesses such as he's quite slow, lightweight and loses the ball so often but he makes up for that with neat footwork and he wins the ball a fair bit too. 

 

But when it comes to his finishing, he is so bad and its baffling. He scored a decent amount for Newcastle. I know he only had 1 season in double figures at this level but he had others where he got 7-9 and several assists. But here he barely assists and he barely scores either. His first season, those 8 goals came in 5 games. 

 

I really want him to do well here, it would solve a massive conundrum but I just can't see how he improves much. Maybe it's confidence, but he's well settled in here and last season was his worst with no fans so it's not a case of the boo boys getting to him. Big season for him, if we got 6 goals and 6 assists from him it could be huge with Barnes, Maddison, Vardy/Daka and Iheanacho. 

I am bemused myself. I cant tell you his natural position, his best position? Striker, CAM? Wide midfield? He is not a utility player!

 

We have people advocating his work ethic, defensive abilities, yet, I am unimpressed, he is weak, and he shirks 50/50's! He is no Albrighton for example, or his positive social media posts... like that is something that helps you be a professional footballer?!!!

 

His continued selection, makes me question the manager! It is something that is stopping Leicester from being an elite side rather than a very good one, and that is unacceptable.

[Fox92]

15 minutes ago, Kilworthfox said:

I am bemused myself. I cant tell you his natural position, his best position? Striker, CAM? Wide midfield? He is not a utility player!

 

We have people advocating his work ethic, defensive abilities, yet, I am unimpressed, he is weak, and he shirks 50/50's! He is no Albrighton for example, or his positive social media posts... like that is something that helps you be a professional footballer?!!!

 

His continued selection, makes me question the manager! It is something that is stopping Leicester from being an elite side rather than a very good one, and that is unacceptable.

Ric mentioned his stats at Newcastle, his last season there he did get souble figures. However, at Newcastle, he mainly played off of Rondon to great effect.

 

Why is he "no Albrighton"? In terms of output Albrighton's best return in a season has been 2 goals and about 7 assists.

[fuchsntf]

1 hour ago, Kilworthfox said:

I find it interesting, that no club is interested in buying, or even loaning Perez?

Just because most fans have made their descision...& The media pick up points from blogs & these type forums...

 

Does not mean the club have actually put him in the shop window, or Rodgers

has put it about on

 the managers grapevine..

There is always for most players..

We prefer xxxc stays,but always opens to offers..

 

Look at Madders & The Vibes around Tielemans..both have stated since last season's end..on 2-3 occasions,they would prefer to stay,but both media & fans themselves ignore open statements,or push their own opinions forward for their own...I told you so.   Moments..

The only way I see Madders going to Arsenal is if he feels let down for some reason or other.

 

Don't forget Players also get fed up of the media putting words in their mouths - downright lying..!!

So clubs, managers and players, play their own games with & from the noise.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[volpeazzurro]

1 hour ago, Kilworthfox said:

I find it interesting, that no club is interested in buying, or even loaning 

Tells it's own story really I suppose. If you can't score or assist in a talented top 5 side, what chance is there of enhancing a lesser side?

[Fox92]

11 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said:

Tells it's own story really I suppose. If you can't score or assist in a talented top 5 side, what chance is there of enhancing a lesser side?

Well, he obviously can score, but what numbers do you expect?

 

As I said above, Albrighton has never managed more than 5 goals in a season. Maddison has never managed double figures. Okazaki never managed more than 7 goals.

[Kilworthfox]

3 hours ago, Fox92 said:

Ric mentioned his stats at Newcastle, his last season there he did get souble figures. However, at Newcastle, he mainly played off of Rondon to great effect.

 

Why is he "no Albrighton"? In terms of output Albrighton's best return in a season has been 2 goals and about 7 assists.

Because if football and footballers were solely judged on numbers, then we could just watch a game of Top Trumps.

 

In terms of work rate, effort, defensive ability, physical commitment, he is no Albrighton. Yet Albrighton seems to be selected less often in a position where they apparently both can play.

 

There was also a rumour for MA leaving, and there was a general feeling that it would be a shame, even though MA is past his peak, yet I would suggest that a majority would be pleased if we recoupled even 50% of the fee paid for Perez!

[volpeazzurro]

2 hours ago, Fox92 said:

Well, he obviously can score, but what numbers do you expect?

 

As I said above, Albrighton has never managed more than 5 goals in a season. Maddison has never managed double figures. Okazaki never managed more than 7 goals.

Bar one season out of 4 at Newcastle, his figures are poor. Unlike Albrighton, he's supposedly a forward and was largely played there last year, yet again, his figures were poor.

 

Okazaki's performances were of a different nature and were a recognised catalyst and integral part to us winning the league. Perez's contribution is a shadow of what Okazaki bought to the game.

[Fox92]

6 minutes ago, Kilworthfox said:

Because if football and footballers were solely judged on numbers, then we could just watch a game of Top Trumps.

 

In terms of work rate, effort, defensive ability, physical commitment, he is no Albrighton. Yet Albrighton seems to be selected less often in a position where they apparently both can play.

 

There was also a rumour for MA leaving, and there was a general feeling that it would be a shame, even though MA is past his peak, yet I would suggest that a majority would be pleased if we recoupled even 50% of the fee paid for Perez!

They definitely cannot both play in the same position though. This is the issue. Perez is not a right winger. This is an area where we really need to invest.

[Kilworthfox]

3 hours ago, pmcla26 said:

I don't think any of us can really question the geezer who's on his way to becoming our greatest manager of the 21st century and is taking us to unimaginable, sustained heights as a football club at this current moment in time. He's not perfect but honestly, do we need to have this discussion of "Oh my god why has he picked Perez again?!" after every time he plays? Rodgers clearly trusts him and he had a decent game Saturday following on from a decent showing against Villareal. 

 

As fans we should know what Perez is now. Maybe we need another wildcard option like Dan James to come off of the bench on the right hand side in the last 20/30 mins or so, but Albrighton and Perez's role in the team on the right is clearly to offer us tactical stability and allow others around them to flourish by pressing hard, keeping the ball moving and offering somewhat of a threat in the final third. We've got better players than both and therefore we don't center our play around either, but they both compliment the others well and they aren't, especially Perez, as far off the other players we have as attacking options that our fans make out. We have been spoilt by having a couple of world class attackers in recent years in Vardy and Mahrez, then Barnes and Maddison who are that level below, to think that this should be the standard for all players in the final third. 

Truth is, if everyone was to be a direct player like Barnes or Vardy in the system, would we be able to keep teams camped in their halves quite as much? Probably not as we'd have a much higher turnover of possession, with players relentlessly looking to take their man on etc. when what's needed is simple passes to keep things ticking over whilst we look for openings or crosses into the box, which Perez and Albrighton offer us. 

 

A Harvey Barnes for the right hand side costs upwards of £40m in today's market. To expect us to just find one and not have to pay that money is just ludacris, or to expect us to pay that amount is even worse. I'm confident enough with how Barnes and Vardy ran Cancelo and Dias ragged at times, how Perez and Ricardo linked up and the trio in midfield combined that we will be fine in attack this season, and we really don't need to question Rodgers at all. 

Apologies for being pedantic however:

 

I can question anything as a fan. There are many shades of opinion, and quite rightly so we can all share them on here. I have come to that point with Perez, that I have had enough seeing him play for LCFC. He is constantly below average at the very best. I am sure there are other members on here who feel he is ok, or does something to justify Rodgers selection, however I disagree, I have seen him be poor almost every time he plays, irrespective of what position he is played. 

 

I want the club to continue to progress, and I am lost trying to understand how he adds anything to a cub aiming to finish better than 5th. DONE!

[Kilworthfox]

Just now, Fox92 said:

They definitely cannot both play in the same position though. This is the issue. Perez is not a right winger. This is an area where we really need to invest.

Completely agree! If this area is invested in, we would be playing in the Champions League. 

[cruzFOX]

It's just a matter of time with Perez. If he was going to transform at all we would have seen it by now. He's limited in what he does. Is it enough for what we need? no but does it serve some sort of purpose? yes. Rogers and only Rogers knows what his plan is with regarding Perez. This situation won't last forever. we just all gotta hang in there longer and persevere more as frustrating as that is to watch.

[Kilworthfox]

3 hours ago, pmcla26 said:

I don't think any of us can really question the geezer who's on his way to becoming our greatest manager of the 21st century and is taking us to unimaginable, sustained heights as a football club at this current moment in time. He's not perfect but honestly, do we need to have this discussion of "Oh my god why has he picked Perez again?!" after every time he plays? Rodgers clearly trusts him and he had a decent game Saturday following on from a decent showing against Villareal. 

 

As fans we should know what Perez is now. Maybe we need another wildcard option like Dan James to come off of the bench on the right hand side in the last 20/30 mins or so, but Albrighton and Perez's role in the team on the right is clearly to offer us tactical stability and allow others around them to flourish by pressing hard, keeping the ball moving and offering somewhat of a threat in the final third. We've got better players than both and therefore we don't center our play around either, but they both compliment the others well and they aren't, especially Perez, as far off the other players we have as attacking options that our fans make out. We have been spoilt by having a couple of world class attackers in recent years in Vardy and Mahrez, then Barnes and Maddison who are that level below, to think that this should be the standard for all players in the final third. 

Truth is, if everyone was to be a direct player like Barnes or Vardy in the system, would we be able to keep teams camped in their halves quite as much? Probably not as we'd have a much higher turnover of possession, with players relentlessly looking to take their man on etc. when what's needed is simple passes to keep things ticking over whilst we look for openings or crosses into the box, which Perez and Albrighton offer us. 

 

A Harvey Barnes for the right hand side costs upwards of £40m in today's market. To expect us to just find one and not have to pay that money is just ludacris, or to expect us to pay that amount is even worse. I'm confident enough with how Barnes and Vardy ran Cancelo and Dias ragged at times, how Perez and Ricardo linked up and the trio in midfield combined that we will be fine in attack this season, and we really don't need to question Rodgers at all. 

I think that as you are a LCFC fan, and have said we would need to spend £40 million to find a top class right winger, that is confusing to me as Leicester have consistently found value in the majority of their transfers for less than the £40 million you suggest.

 

Your confidence in Perez is admiral to a point... I can only say that you or I will be proved correct at the end of the season. I can only judge a horse on the races it has ran! I will say that the Manchester City side we deservedly beat were not a true reflection of the level that Manchester City will be throughout the whole season, therefore your assessment might be a little generous towards LCFC.

 

There are a clear set of parameters that the club looks for when scouting for players. I am sure I do not have to list our previously successful transfers for you in this or all positions, to realise that you point highlighted is not logical. I also have no expectations, other than wanting to progress.

 

 

[brucey]

5 hours ago, Kilworthfox said:

I find it interesting, that no club is interested in buying, or even loaning Perez?

You're assuming that we want to get rid of a player who is a frequent starter and who Rodgers clearly likes. Loaning out Perez is about as silly as loaning out Albrighton. We need them.

[The Horse's Mouth]

I'm baffled people are saying he was good Saturday

[Kilworthfox]

14 minutes ago, pmcla26 said:

Wingers/inside forwards are different to any position in football though. They are the most wildly inconsistent bunch of players that you can find, making them the most expensive and rarest commodities if you have a good one - hence why we would have to spend £40m at least to get someone of Barnes' quality. If it were as easy as you make out (or as we have made it look with other positions at times) then don't you think we'd have signed someone in that position already? 

 

Don't get me wrong, I mention in my other post we need another option to put teams on the back foot at times, but my point is very much logical. Value rarely comes from buying wide men, look at Everton, West Ham (Iwobi, Anderson, many others). Unless you're able to attract the real top level of wide men or develop them yourself (Barnes), they tend to be additional assets to sides rather than focal points. 

 

You say you can only judge a horse on the races it's ran, surely Perez must be fine then having played a large portion of the games in the last 2 seasons? Both of which have been highly successful? I would argue that your point of view is more illogical to be completely honest, but each to their own. 

 

Not necessarily including you in this, but when I scroll through this thread I see a lot of the people who have negative opinions on Perez as watching 90 mins of us and highlights of football each week. Reason being, in the highlights you see the best bits of forwards. Compare a lot of these forwards/wide mens' 90 mins to Perez's 90 mins and people would realise that he's actually a pretty good footballer. 

 

His problem is that he's not got the pace or skills that endear you to fans that you'd expect in a forward for the money we paid, but our press is probably the biggest part of our game, and he is one of the most switched on players tactically that I have ever seen play for us in that sense. I would wager that team balance, consistency and fitting our tactical approach are the reasons that he is picked by Rodgers often, we've got Barnes, Vardy, Daka, Iheanacho, Maddison, Tielemans.. who provide the goal threat, and it's not like Perez is useless in the final third either. 

 

There are endless reasons possible, answering why no replacement of Mahrez has been possible. I fully appreciate that task that, this is! I would like for us to have the ambition, to replace key players when they leave, I feel we have done this very well in the past seasons, hence our improvements as a club in the last 15 years.

 

See here is a fundamental disagreement that we have! Perez, is not a player worthy of his place. He is not a pretty good footballer. (I say this having been payed by 2 professional football clubs & as a freelance professional to evaluate footballers)  His consistent below par performances have taken a team that could be a top 3 challenger and helped to achieve a Europa league position. I guess it depends on your view points on Leicester City as a club, when we discuss players... I believe it is possible to feel we have to be very content with the clubs progress, yet still not be satisfied with certain aspects of that success, if you deem that the success could have been even greater...

 

If pace was his only issue then we could make allowances... Mahrez / Knockaert do not have pace for example, yet you'd rarely hear me say a bad word about them.

 

It seems to me, that you feel he is an asset. I am going by the performances I have seen, and the moments he has in each game to make a positive contribution, with or without the ball. Now, I am not that blind to suggest that everything he does is terrible, that would be incorrect, I also do not believe he is a malevolent person and isn't trying to some extent for the cause...

 

However, please enlighten me:

 

What is his position?

Where was he so successful at Newcastle that it was deemed he was correctly valued at £30 million?

What are his positive contributions in Attack, transition and defence?

We already know he isn't pacey, but neither was Robert Huth or Teddy Sherringham... not that Perez is a Centre half or Target man...

 

 

[Fox92]

41 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

I'm baffled people are saying he was good Saturday

There were no bad players on Saturday.

 

It was a good team performance.

Edited 9 August 2021 by Fox92

[STUHILL]

39 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

I'm baffled people are saying he was good Saturday

Yeh I didn't really see it either to be fair, but the general consensus seems to be that he allows Ricardo to do his thing! 

 

He still doesn't contribute enough in attack and often causes us problems when he gets caught in possession. Often puts his head down and just runs into defenders which can result in the opposition turning the ball over and hitting us on the counter. 

 

Rodgers favours him though, and doubt Albrighton will start many games, so unless we sign a RW, hopefully he can have a good season. Seems like a confidence player, so hopefully has a good game at the weekend and he can build from there. 

[Kilworthfox]

2 minutes ago, pmcla26 said:

If you were paid to judge footballers, then surely you should be able to answer those questions? And also explain CONSTRUCTIVELY (as I have done many, many, many times with a throughout this thread) why our manager is picking him often? Or what is it that Rodgers is missing with our other options who could play there? 

 

For what it's worth my answers to your questions would be, in the context of LCFC, he is best playing in the position he played on Saturday with Ricardo on the overlap. 

His most notable attacking contributions include fantastic off the ball movement, good link up play with players in close proximity and when confident, he is a goal threat with decent finishing ability. 

In transition he has high work rate, tactically he's great - his contribution to the press is a big reason why we turn the ball over high up the pitch on a regular basis and he regularly supports the full back by getting back into shape early or holding his position for Ricky to burst up the pitch if the turnover is won. 

Defensively, we all know he isn't the strongest, but tying back in with the points made in transition, he regularly forces the opposition backwards by pressuring full backs inside to the centre half or holding up advancing wingers, once again assisting the full back. 

 

Finally, Perez's performances did not cost us Champions League. Please stop running with that. I struggle to believe that you have been paid to judge footballers if you really, truly believe that. It was numerous factors, and yes he could maybe have contributed more last season, but to attribute all that blame to one man? That is crazy. In the kindest way possible, I really hope you didn't get paid much for that "work" you did!  

It is not an "if" 

 

I am unable to explain, which is why I wanted you too.

 

The only thing I can say is (as we clearly see 2 different players), if he is the player you see and have written about above, then he deserves his place! I just do not see those aspects of his game that you do. The best way to explain what I see is, he is not at the level required.

 

I didn't say he (solely) cost us a champions league place (if only it were that simple), I choose my words carefully! Yes many factors agreed, I just believe he was 1 of the factors  

 

[The Horse's Mouth]

16 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

There were no bad players on Saturday.

 

It was a good team performance.

Mate he was shocking

[Fox92]

1 minute ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

Mate he was shocking

I just think him and Ricardo on that right are so good. Ricardo is the only full back that looks good behind Perez imo.