Brexit!

[Wortho]

20 minutes ago, StanSP said:

If the medicine is going to be there .

 

Also, I didn't say doctors are experts at everything. But who knows, perhaps some experts do have some knowledge of something beyond their professional working experience. Shock, I know. 

And you believe these project fear stories. There's one born every day 😃😃

[Wortho]

8 minutes ago, Finnaldo said:

 

Don’t support Corbyn as Labour leader or his foreign policy but good effort at deflecting mate

I apologise it must have been another poster.

[Charl91]

16 minutes ago, Wortho said:

And you believe these project fear stories. There's one born every day 😃😃

 

A lot of these "project fear" stories come from the current Government

 

 

[Strokes]

6 hours ago, StanSP said:

Not all leave voters are racist but all racists voted leave. 

 

A great snippet by Will Self from an interview I can't find right now. 

I genuinely know someone who I consider to be racist who says he voted remain.

A British born of Bangladeshi heritage chap who I used to work with, he makes awful remarks about Pakistanis and uses the derogatory term to describe them and is quite unpleasant about Muslims too. 

He is albeit not hugely vocal brexit but does claim to support remain in the brief conversations we have had.

[Wortho]

3 minutes ago, Charl91 said:

 

A lot of these "project fear" stories come from the current Government

 

 

I think they were from May's remainer group. Olly Robbins for example who's been honoured today. So technically you were correct 😁😁

[Wortho]

2 minutes ago, Strokes said:

I genuinely know someone who I consider to be racist who says he voted remain.

A British born of Bangladeshi heritage chap who I used to work with, he makes awful remarks about Pakistanis and uses the derogatory term to describe them and is quite unpleasant about Muslims too. 

He is albeit not hugely vocal brexit but does claim to support remain in the brief conversations we have had.

That's interesting. I think posters on here believe that only white English people are racist. 

 

[StanSP]

30 minutes ago, Wortho said:

And you believe these project fear stories. There's one born every day 😃😃

Project fear is another Brexit sham phrase from naive and delusional Brexiteers. The consideration for how people's lives will be (negatively) affected is not a 'fear' at all.

 

Majority of politicians have very little consideration for the public though these days. John Major quoted the other day that when he was a mainstream politician, if it was a choice to make that favoured the party of the country, it was the country that should win all the time. Y

 

You make decisions in the best interests for the people of the country. That's what is lost these days as a politician and what has been lost amongst this Brexit bullshit. And that goes for members of most parties, not just the Tories. 

 

I guess it's not as bad as the actual fear that the current government portray, though. Getting absolutely nowhere after nearly 3 and a half years of 'negotiations'. 

 

Remind me again how divisive this country has become since the referendum vote? Remind me again how toxic politics has become since the vote. Remind me please how far the government have come in 'delivering Brexit' since the vote to leave was determined? 

 

How much 'getting on with it' does it take before anything of note to actually leave occurs? 

[Wortho]

16 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Project fear is another Brexit sham phrase from naive and delusional Brexiteers. The consideration for how people's lives will be (negatively) affected is not a 'fear' at all.

 

Majority of politicians have very little consideration for the public though these days. John Major quoted the other day that when he was a mainstream politician, if it was a choice to make that favoured the party of the country, it was the country that should win all the time. Y

 

You make decisions in the best interests for the people of the country. That's what is lost these days as a politician and what has been lost amongst this Brexit bullshit. And that goes for members of most parties, not just the Tories. 

 

I guess it's not as bad as the actual fear that the current government portray, though. Getting absolutely nowhere after nearly 3 and a half years of 'negotiations'. 

 

Remind me again how divisive this country has become since the referendum vote? Remind me again how toxic politics has become since the vote. Remind me please how far the government have come in 'delivering Brexit' since the vote to leave was determined? 

 

How much 'getting on with it' does it take before anything of note to actually leave occurs? 

I'm sorry I can't be bothered to remind you of anything. You probably deny that Corbyn is a terrorist sympathiser. 

[Heathrow fox]

1 hour ago, Wortho said:

New jobs figures just out:

👷‍♀️ More than 300,000 new full-time jobs since last year

👨‍💻 More than 3 million new full-time jobs since 2010

👛 Average pay up 4% - the fastest rise since the Gordon Brown recession

📉 Unemployment at its lowest level in 45 years.

Different country I know,but the US posted very similar figures last week.The trouble is the last two times unemployment was around the 3% mark,their economy nose dived.

[Fox in the North]

9 minutes ago, Wortho said:

I'm sorry I can't be bothered to remind you of anything. You probably deny that Corbyn is a terrorist sympathiser. 

Are you even going to bother to engage him in an honest debate aside from deflecting all the time?

[StanSP]

11 minutes ago, Wortho said:

I'm sorry I can't be bothered to remind you of anything. You probably deny that Corbyn is a terrorist sympathiser. 

This post says it all really.

 

You have nothing.

[Wortho]

4 minutes ago, StanSP said:

This post says it all really.

 

You have nothing.

You haven't replied about Corbyn being a terrorists friend and an anti-semite. Remind me.

[Strokes]

48 minutes ago, Wortho said:

That's interesting. I think posters on here believe that only white English people are racist. 

 

I doubt that very much, it may fit their current narrative too but most on here are reasonable people and aside from this thread, pretty sound.

[Fox in the North]

Just now, Wortho said:

You haven't replied about Corbyn being a terrorists friend and a anti-semite. Remind me.

You have barely responded to a single point he’s raised. People have been writing reasonable opinions and arguments and all you’ve done is write one liners and be sarcastic. You’re about as helpful as a brexit politician in Brussels. 

[StanSP]

5 minutes ago, Wortho said:

You haven't replied about Corbyn being a terrorists friend and an anti-semite. Remind me.

So what if he is? It's got nothing to do with our discussion. My thoughts on him don't change the outcome of the last 3 and a half years  

 

Fancy responding to the points in my post? 

 

Your deflection tactic of not being able to say anything about it and direct it towards something totally different speaks volumes to be honest.

 

Is this how you have a discussion in real life? Someome makes some points contrary to how you feel about something, and you bring up something totally different? 

And you say I've been brainwashed. You do exactly what politicians do when they're stuck for answers  

[Trav Le Bleu]

I'm pretty certain Mr Southgate will be able to get us out of Europe in the next 12 months.

[Wortho]

12 minutes ago, StanSP said:

So what if he is? It's got nothing to do with our discussion. My thoughts on him don't change the outcome of the last 3 and a half years  

 

Fancy responding to the points in my post? 

 

Your deflection tactic of not being able to say anything about it and direct it towards something totally different speaks volumes to be honest.

 

Is this how you have a discussion in real life? Someome makes some points contrary to how you feel about something, and you bring up something totally different? 

And you say I've been brainwashed. You do exactly what politicians do when they're stuck for answers  

Well you respond to me about Corbyn and McDonnell and their anti-semetic party and their Hamas/ Hezbollah support. 

Let alone inviting IRA sympathisers to the HOC a few days after the Brighton bomb. Are these the people you want leading this country?

[StanSP]

7 minutes ago, Wortho said:

Well you respond to me about Corbyn and McDonnell and their anti-semetic party and their Hamas/ Hezbollah support. 

Let alone inviting IRA sympathisers to the HOC a few days after the Brighton bomb. Are these the people you want leading this country?

Where have I even suggested that this is what I'd like? Just because I don't like Tories right now and the mess they've got us in, royally fvcking up things, doesn't mean I'd want Corbyn in charge?

 

If you want to get in to this, do you want someone leading this country who refers to black people as having 'watermelon smiles', black kids as 'piccaninnies', burka-wearing women as 'letterboxes'. If I'm not mistaken, he also compared homosexuality to bestiality at one point.

 

Don't even know why I'm getting in to this with you. Regardless, you're deflecting. Again.

 

Not worth discussing this with you any more. You can take that as a win, if you like. Still one more than Johnson has since he became PM anyway.

Well done  

[Wortho]

Johnson will be voted in at the GE.

 

[Jon the Hat]

9 hours ago, pleatout said:

I am genuinely interested if someone would define what leave actually means.

 

I understand remain - it's what we have - for good & bad.  

 

But as I understand it...

 

Leave - no deal.

Gives total control of borders, no free movement of labour or goods except it breaks the international agreement that is the Good Friday Agreement and will probably result in a return of the IRA etc.  Also will lead to massive disruption of goods coming into and out of the country.  WTO rules say you treat everyone the same, so you either check all goods coming in or none. If the desire is to control our borders then all goods need to be stopped and checked.

 

It is hard to find an economist that thinks it will make the economy anything other than worse.

It will be interesting to see what the Yellowhammer details are.  They are, after all Boris's own governments plans/forecasts.  Hard to call it Project Fear,

 

Leave May's deal

Treats N Ireland differently, will never be accepted by DUP.  The concentration has been on customs and goods when a large part of the leave agenda was immigration.  May's deal would do nothing for that.

 

Technology options around borders.

The EU produced a report that covered the use of technology for easing border/customs issues.  The 1st paragraph said that it didnt apply to people, again not helping the leave desire for control of immigration.

 

Norway model

The Norwegians dont really like it - they pay nearly as much as us for no say.

 

I do get a little tired of those that say I knew what I was voting for, I have listened and read more than many and I still have no idea what leave actually means. 

 

I dont mean "we are no longer in the EU", I mean how long will it take for the economy to recover? How many will lose their jobs? What is the impact on the NHS and the social care setup?  What are the benefits?

 

 

Please define what it is that you want.  When you write it down you will very quickly realise that you cant have it all.  And your "redlines" are different to other peoples "redlines" and they are mutually exclusive.

Remain is absolutely NOT what we have.  The EU is moving towards greater union and will not simply let us stay.  That option ran out a good couple of years ago.  

[Captain...]

10 hours ago, z-layrex said:

At the time we had 4 Romanian families illegally living in a 2 bed flat next door, making our lives hell. Did this influence my vote? Absolutely it did. But I'll be accused of racism/xenophobia for admitting this is as a personal influence.

 

My fiance is Portuguese FFS.

But that was not the fault of the Romanians who came to live here or the EU for having freedom of movement. It was the fault of our government for not upholding the law and protecting the people of Britain and legal immigrants like your fiance. For allowing companies to exploit the Romanians looking for work and knowing it was going on and not doing enough about it. Successive government's have blamed their own failings on the EU bogey man to deflect from their own inadequacies. How is leaving the EU going to stop 4 Romanian families illegally living next door to you? 

[Captain...]

45 minutes ago, Wortho said:

Well you respond to me about Corbyn and McDonnell and their anti-semetic party and their Hamas/ Hezbollah support. 

Let alone inviting IRA sympathisers to the HOC a few days after the Brighton bomb. Are these the people you want leading this country?

Please stop. If you carry on you will get this thread closed down. If someone asks you a question be a decent chap and reply to it or just ignore it. Don't just shout Corbyn is a terrorist! It is not helpful and not relevant most people on here have very nuanced views on Corbyn and have no wish to have the same discussions again. The matter in hand is the absolute shambles that is the current state of the Government and the fact that Brexit is turning into the biggest farce ever.

[z-layrex]

2 minutes ago, Captain... said:

But that was not the fault of the Romanians who came to live here or the EU for having freedom of movement. It was the fault of our government for not upholding the law and protecting the people of Britain and legal immigrants like your fiance. For allowing companies to exploit the Romanians looking for work and knowing it was going on and not doing enough about it. Successive government's have blamed their own failings on the EU bogey man to deflect from their own inadequacies. How is leaving the EU going to stop 4 Romanian families illegally living next door to you? 

Those guys made zero effort to be good neighbors in any way though, they quite cheerily made life miserable for us and the other residents. Their contempt for this country was quite evident. Maybe without freedom of movement they wouldn't have been here? They weren't in the country illegally, just that property.

 

We need skilled immigrants to run services like our NHS. That is easily attainable by offering attractive packages rather than having the freedom of movement that just doesn't work for a country like the UK.

[Captain...]

Just now, z-layrex said:

Those guys made zero effort to be good neighbors in any way though, they quite cheerily made life miserable for us and the other residents. Their contempt for this country was quite evident. Maybe without freedom of movement they wouldn't have been here? They weren't in the country illegally, just that property.

 

We need skilled immigrants to run services like our NHS. That is easily attainable by offering attractive packages rather than having the freedom of movement that just doesn't work for a country like the UK.

We also need unskilled immigrants for farming. Leaving the EU is not going to stop immigration and not stop people exploiting immigrants. It has been said that leaving the EU will not reduce immigration figures by much. It has been known for years that unskilled immigrants from the EU are being taken advantage of put up in unsuitable housing. Did you report it? Did the police do anything? If so and nothing was done how will that change under leave?

[Wortho]

13 minutes ago, Captain... said:

Please stop. If you carry on you will get this thread closed down. If someone asks you a question be a decent chap and reply to it or just ignore it. Don't just shout Corbyn is a terrorist! It is not helpful and not relevant most people on here have very nuanced views on Corbyn and have no wish to have the same discussions again. The matter in hand is the absolute shambles that is the current state of the Government and the fact that Brexit is turning into the biggest farce ever.

Well nobody has replied to my questions either. I am a thoroughly decent chap and I don't really care what people think. I have more important things in my life to worry about. Come on the City!!!