ozleicester Posted 2 March 2020 Share Posted 2 March 2020 1 hour ago, MC Prussian said: Way to alienate half of the US population that voted for Trump in 2016. 63 million "morons"? Wahey... Trump may have some intelligence and memory issues, but he isn't a "moron". In terms of policies, he's given most Americans what they've been craving for for years, if not decades: Jobs and opportunities. Last time I checked, Trump has yet to start a war of his own. A "moron" compared to the warmongers before him? M'kay... US population 327 million Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Prussian Posted 2 March 2020 Share Posted 2 March 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, ozleicester said: US population 327 million 38% of what? It's 38 percent of a selection of BEER DRINKERS (as part of ONE particular survey). https://www.syracuse.com/business/2020/02/report-38-of-americans-wont-drink-corona-beer-because-of-coronavirus.html You know it's highly far-fetched to draw conclusions about a general population based on a single survey with a few thousand participants in a specific category, don't you? Jeebus, so much conjecture here. Get off Twitter and at least try newspapers instead, that way, you'd be a little bit closer to the original source. Edited 2 March 2020 by MC Prussian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddybad Posted 2 March 2020 Share Posted 2 March 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, MC Prussian said: Yes, and Obama has had the benefit of eight years of tenure, whereas we are in Year Three under Trump. Let's see where we are in 2024/2025, shall we? Fine with that but obviously he won't be able to make the claim that he's improved job creation this time around given it's got worse? Edited 2 March 2020 by Toddybad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 2 March 2020 Share Posted 2 March 2020 Buttigieg and Klub both withdrawn and will support Biden. Looks 50/50 race between him and Bernie now. An overall majority of delegates surely very unlikely now with Mike and Pocahontas still standing going into Super Tuesday. Trump now the youngest man in the Presidential race Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionator Posted 2 March 2020 Author Share Posted 2 March 2020 I don’t like the guy for obvious reasons but Trumps takedowns of mini Mike Bloomberg are hilarious. While it’s not fitting of a president, you can see why he connects with the disillusioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 3 March 2020 Share Posted 3 March 2020 I'm kinda surprised that Klobuchar would plump for Biden in the end, always struck me as something of a wild card rather than someone who would follow the establishment line. I guess we'll get a good look at what their respective voters will do tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 3 March 2020 Share Posted 3 March 2020 9 hours ago, Lionator said: I don’t like the guy for obvious reasons but Trumps takedowns of mini Mike Bloomberg are hilarious. While it’s not fitting of a president, you can see why he connects with the disillusioned. All seems to be off the cuff, hilarious at times. A serious point to it all as well, he has helped to take out the best debater they have with the Pocahontas stuff, he's taking out the richest with these Mini Mike jibes and he's already set the seeds for Creepy or Sleepy Joe. There is a reason he has barely gone for Sanders. That's who they want. Can you imagine what he'll call him if wins? 6 hours ago, leicsmac said: I'm kinda surprised that Klobuchar would plump for Biden in the end, always struck me as something of a wild card rather than someone who would follow the establishment line. I guess we'll get a good look at what their respective voters will do tomorrow. I think some sense might finally be infecting the Democrats now we are at such a crucial stage. They can either choose a bloke who has flaws but will bring out the BAME vote who was previously attached himself to a very popular President. Or they go with someone who'll be cast as a communist and whose economic plans will be absolutely torn to shreds under any serious scrutiny. Lose a few Bernie or Bust voters in Cali and Texans, or potentially lose millions of Dem/Swing voters who will be terrified any investment, property or pension could lose its value. It's an easy choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 3 March 2020 Share Posted 3 March 2020 3 minutes ago, MattP said: I think some sense might finally be infecting the Democrats now we are at such a crucial stage. They can either choose a bloke who has flaws but will bring out the BAME vote who was previously attached himself to a very popular President. Or they go with someone who'll be cast as a communist and whose economic plans will be absolutely torn to shreds under any serious scrutiny. Lose a few Bernie or Bust voters in Cali and Texans, or potentially lose millions of Dem/Swing voters who will be terrified any investment, property or pension could lose its value. It's an easy choice. As we've talked about before I think you might have it inverted here as Biden is simply more of the same uninspiring milquetoast ala Hillary 2016 and that didn't win against Trump then - so unless the landscape has changed a lot since then (and the BAME voters didn't exactly mobilise for her, either)... But I could be wrong and for obvious reasons I hope whatever decision the Dems come to and end up choosing is the right one come November. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 3 March 2020 Share Posted 3 March 2020 1 minute ago, leicsmac said: As we've talked about before I think you might have it inverted here as Biden is simply more of the same uninspiring milquetoast ala Hillary 2016 and that didn't win against Trump then - so unless the landscape has changed a lot since then (and the BAME voters didn't exactly mobilise for her, either)... But I could be wrong and for obvious reasons I hope whatever decision the Dems come to and end up choosing is the right one come November. Biden is nowhere near as bad as Hillary, you won't get him coming out and insulting the electorate or not turning up in safe states to campaign. I would consider voting for Biden, I wouldn't have voted for Clinton if you paid me. Anyone who seriously thinks Sanders stands a better chance than Biden is either blinded by their own politics, paying no attention at all to what is happening in the West or is someone who probably told you Jeremy Corbyn was going to win as well. Biden has a better average lead over Sanders against Trump at realclearpolitics as well and that's with all this momentum being Bernie atm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 3 March 2020 Share Posted 3 March 2020 2 minutes ago, MattP said: Biden is nowhere near as bad as Hillary, you won't get him coming out and insulting the electorate or not turning up in safe states to campaign. I would consider voting for Biden, I wouldn't have voted for Clinton if you paid me. Anyone who seriously thinks Sanders stands a better chance than Biden is either blinded by their own politics, paying no attention at all to what is happening in the West or is someone who probably told you Jeremy Corbyn was going to win as well. Biden has a better average lead over Sanders against Trump at realclearpolitics as well and that's with all this momentum being Bernie atm. Well, if Biden does get the nod, I hope that you're right about all this. For the sake of environmental and scientific policy and womens/minority rights alone I'm "Blue no matter who" and that's been pretty obvious always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 3 March 2020 Share Posted 3 March 2020 Just now, leicsmac said: Well, if Biden does get the nod, I hope that you're right about all this. For the sake of environmental and scientific policy and womens/minority rights alone I'm "Blue no matter who" and that's been pretty obvious always. Which is another reason to go for Joe. You might be that - they'll be at least a few million on the fence Americans who won't be. I'll make one prediction - if it's Bernie, he wins the popular vote, but in terms of the result, Trump wins even bigger than he did in 2016. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionator Posted 3 March 2020 Author Share Posted 3 March 2020 I think Bernie is the better candidate however the way that the US electoral system works, then Biden is the sensible option. I don't really see what Biden stands for to be honest but America clearly is not ready for social democracy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WigstonWanderer Posted 3 March 2020 Share Posted 3 March 2020 17 minutes ago, Lionator said: I think Bernie is the better candidate however the way that the US electoral system works, then Biden is the sensible option. I don't really see what Biden stands for to be honest but America clearly is not ready for social democracy. I’m no expert with US politics but Biden looked well past his sell by date when I saw him in one of the debates. I like Bernie and his apparent willingness to take on the vested interests (is this even possible over there?), but again, too old and I just can’t see him getting elected in the States with their hostility to anything even vaguely socialist. I just wish the Democrats could have found someone younger and more inspiring. For me it’s anyone but Trump. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Prussian Posted 3 March 2020 Share Posted 3 March 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Lionator said: I think Bernie is the better candidate however the way that the US electoral system works, then Biden is the sensible option. I don't really see what Biden stands for to be honest but America clearly is not ready for social democracy. 48 minutes ago, WigstonWanderer said: I’m no expert with US politics but Biden looked well past his sell by date when I saw him in one of the debates. I like Bernie and his apparent willingness to take on the vested interests (is this even possible over there?), but again, too old and I just can’t see him getting elected in the States with their hostility to anything even vaguely socialist. I just wish the Democrats could have found someone younger and more inspiring. For me it’s anyone but Trump. Well, the Democrats can be as progressive as they want to be, you can be sure they'll end up nominating an old white man in most of the cases for president, anyway, Hillary Clinton included. So much for "liberalism" and open-mindedness. Mention "social democracy" in the US and the automatic reaction usually is: "So you're a Commie, huh?". The idea will never work unless it is sold correctly, too many Democrats even today are still shitting their pants thinking of the concept, as they are too comfortable virtue-signaling and more conservative than you think (just not as conservative as Republicans, mind). Radicals such as AOC (and her "sisters") aren't the answer, either. Edited 3 March 2020 by MC Prussian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnaldo Posted 3 March 2020 Share Posted 3 March 2020 2 hours ago, MC Prussian said: Well, the Democrats can be as progressive as they want to be, you can be sure they'll end up nominating an old white man in most of the cases for president, anyway, Hillary Clinton included. So much for "liberalism" and open-mindedness. Bernie Sanders would be the first Jewish President in history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 3 March 2020 Share Posted 3 March 2020 15 minutes ago, Finnaldo said: Bernie Sanders would be the first Jewish President in history. Probably the first non-Christian President (on paper at least), come to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Prussian Posted 3 March 2020 Share Posted 3 March 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Finnaldo said: Bernie Sanders would be the first Jewish President in history. If elected. He's not the first Jewish US politician one to run for office, though - that honor goes to Barry Goldwater. A Republican, mind. Edited 3 March 2020 by MC Prussian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WigstonWanderer Posted 3 March 2020 Share Posted 3 March 2020 2 hours ago, Finnaldo said: Bernie Sanders would be the first Jewish President in history. And yet he’s accused of anti semitism . You can’t make this stuff up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnaldo Posted 3 March 2020 Share Posted 3 March 2020 40 minutes ago, MC Prussian said: If elected. He's not the first Jewish US politician one to run for office, though - that honor goes to Barry Goldwater. A Republican, mind. That’s why I said 2 hours ago, Finnaldo said: Bernie Sanders would be the first Jewish President in history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Prussian Posted 3 March 2020 Share Posted 3 March 2020 21 minutes ago, WigstonWanderer said: And yet he’s accused of anti semitism . You can’t make this stuff up. "Angry Bernie" is too radical for his own party - no wonder they are desperate pushing "Sleepy Joe" Biden instead now. Unless Hillary makes a sudden, late appearance on the stage again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 3 March 2020 Share Posted 3 March 2020 I've got a feeling tonight is going to be very good for Joe Biden - he's flying with momentum and Bernie seems to have vanished. Texas now looking a 50/50 fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 3 March 2020 Share Posted 3 March 2020 29 minutes ago, MattP said: I've got a feeling tonight is going to be very good for Joe Biden - he's flying with momentum and Bernie seems to have vanished. Texas now looking a 50/50 fight. I come in here after a week or two not reading, and this is where we are. Dems are completely incapable of coming up with a decent candidate. Pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 4 March 2020 Share Posted 4 March 2020 Early days but looking like even Democrat voters have shyed away from Bernie when it has came to the crunch. Still - better that happens tonight than in November. If Democrats are scared of putting you up for office you aren't winning across the country. Biden performing incredibly well not just in high black states either, looks good for him in Massachusetts and Texas compared to what was predicted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 4 March 2020 Share Posted 4 March 2020 Momentum is a strange thing in politics - last week Sanders had it all, now it seems that Biden does, that endorsement by Clyburn may well have been critical. That being said, it isn't a totally dreadful night for Bernie - he has won three states, can still be expected to win Cali and Texas is up for grabs, he has performed well among Latino voters, and the argument can be made that Biden won mostly states where he would lose against Trump come November anyway. I do think some conclusions that can be drawn from tonight already is that it's very much a two-horse race (Bloomberg for all his ads and money barely made an impression), a contested convention is by far the most likely outcome, and that obviously favours Biden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddybad Posted 4 March 2020 Share Posted 4 March 2020 Warren staying in the fight rather than echoing the other side of the party, by stepping out for the other progressive candidate in Sanders, is really ridiculous tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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