Carl the Llama Posted 17 February 2020 Share Posted 17 February 2020 Just now, Strokes said: But he doesn’t need to win you over to his side of the argument, you guys did. That’s why the tactic was immeasurably stupid. "Do as I say not as I do."  Or maybe we should hold everyone to the same standards instead of always demanding better from one side's politicians while making excuses for the other. Sadly I don't see that happening en masse any time in the near future though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 17 February 2020 Share Posted 17 February 2020 Just now, Carl the Llama said: "Do as I say not as I do."  Or maybe we should hold everyone to the same standards instead of always demanding better from one side's politicians while making excuses for the other. Sadly I don't see that happening en masse any time in the near future though. He isn’t telling you not to do it, he is saying it’s why you lost. Im sure Matts quite glad you failed to overturn it. I know I am. Keep it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl the Llama Posted 17 February 2020 Share Posted 17 February 2020 Just now, Strokes said: He isn’t telling you not to do it, he is saying it’s why you lost. Im sure Matts quite glad you failed to overturn it. I know I am. Keep it up. You're giving me far too much credit if you think I had anything to do with it, I doubt my FT shitposts were that influential in the referendum.  In any case Matt was claiming people calling Brexiters things like "racist" and "gammon" is the problem, people being toxic basically. Unless I'm mistaken those aren't things politicians were saying so my understanding is we're talking about society in general's attitude to the discussion which is why I'm reminding him of the people taking delight in terms like "libtard" and "snowflake" being just as poisonous to the debate. Malicious disregard is overflowing everywhere, not just on the left, that's all I'm trying to point out here so forgive me if I'm wrong but from that context it looks to me like you're trying to say it's ok to be toxic if you're defending the majority position but not if you're trying to convince people to stop believing it whereas I'm just suggesting nobody be toxic. Am I right in thinking there's been a crossed wire here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 17 February 2020 Share Posted 17 February 2020 46 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said: The same thing goes for your other point: The behaviour you're so righteously complaining about is by no means unique to one side of the argument, this has always been a big part of the problem and claims otherwise are just entrenching it. I mean you've literally just whined about calling people stupid then gone and done exactly in the very next sentence, you're not just throwing stones at your glass house you're taking a sledgehammer to it.  My side won, I didn't need to bring you over to get what I wanted.  Genuinely not sure how you aren't understanding this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detroit Blues Posted 17 February 2020 Share Posted 17 February 2020 On 16/02/2020 at 10:05, Jattdogg said: Democrats have wasted these 3 years and have great grandpa as a leading candidate against the Trump machine. Trump will destroy Bernie with childish remarks and make him look like a loud mouth angry grandpa which is not good viewing on tv (where lets face it people make their decisions and judgements).       Bernie was good on Fox News when he had that town hall a few months back. I think he has some pretty broad appeal to working class people on both sides of the aisle. The downside is obviously that he's borderline ancient, but I think he'd do well in a "debate" with Trump    Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 17 February 2020 Share Posted 17 February 2020 FFS. Â Give him a chance girls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ealingfox Posted 17 February 2020 Share Posted 17 February 2020 The fact is that this  10 hours ago, MattP said: What's this obsession left wing parties have with booing and degrading their ex leaders and politicians?  They are the only ones who do it.  is clearly incorrect, and it's not exactly hard to see how it could be construed as 'turning a blind eye' is it? Its outright denying it.  That was all Carl's original point was if I understand correctly. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jattdogg Posted 17 February 2020 Share Posted 17 February 2020 2 minutes ago, Detroit Blues said: Bernie was good on Fox News when he had that town hall a few months back. I think he has some pretty broad appeal to working class people on both sides of the aisle. The downside is obviously that he's borderline ancient, but I think he'd do well in a "debate" with Trump    Guess we shall see. Anything is still possible but id be surprised to see Bernie not win unless one of the other moderates drop out soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innovindil Posted 17 February 2020 Share Posted 17 February 2020 4 minutes ago, MattP said: FFS. Â Give him a chance girls. Have to say, hope I'm getting the same amount of young birds getting their baps out for me when I'm his age. Decent shooting that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 18 February 2020 Share Posted 18 February 2020 Honestly not getting the (implied) argument that if one side "wins" and that the tactics they choose to do so are the same as the other side, that those tactics are now somehow different.  They're not, and it's just obfuscation.  Anyhow...  https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/483321-on-the-trail-democrats-plan-to-hammer-trump-on-social-security-medicare  "He's coming for your Social Security and (thin) single-payer medical insurance" isn't a bad place to start if economics is really what this election is going to come down to, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bovril Posted 18 February 2020 Share Posted 18 February 2020 14 hours ago, MattP said: My side won, I didn't need to bring you over to get what I wanted. Â Genuinely not sure how you aren't understanding this. You see Brexit as wins for your tribe in a culture war, when it will have consequences for everyone in the UK. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 18 February 2020 Share Posted 18 February 2020 Bloomberg buys his way in: Â https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51545383 Â We'll see if he's as good as his word on funding the Dem campaign even if he doesn't win the nomination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudge Posted 18 February 2020 Share Posted 18 February 2020 (edited) On 18/02/2020 at 07:37, leicsmac said: Bloomberg buys his way in:  https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51545383  We'll see if he's as good as his word on funding the Dem campaign even if he doesn't win the nomination. Don't you think they all try to buy their way in? Bloomberg just uses his own money. I think the system begets corruption. Those who support the others with large donations will be expecting some QPQ in the event that they are elected. Edited 19 February 2020 by Smudge 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detroit Blues Posted 19 February 2020 Share Posted 19 February 2020 19 hours ago, Smudge said: Don't you think they all try to buy their way in? Bloomberg just uses his own money. I think the system begets corruption. Those who support the others with large donations will be expecting some QQP in the event that they are elected. That's why we need campaign finance reform. Campaigns used to be publicly funded, and politicians did not need to sell out to special interests to get elected. Now, with super PACs, citizens united, etc. campaigns have become an arms race.   1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Oxlong Posted 19 February 2020 Share Posted 19 February 2020 (edited) 22 hours ago, Smudge said: Don't you think they all try to buy their way in? Bloomberg just uses his own money. I think the system begets corruption. Those who support the others with large donations will be expecting some QQP in the event that they are elected. QPQ Edited 19 February 2020 by Mike Oxlong 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 20 February 2020 Share Posted 20 February 2020 Wow, Bloomberg taking grenades from all sides here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WigstonWanderer Posted 20 February 2020 Share Posted 20 February 2020 5 hours ago, leicsmac said: Wow, Bloomberg taking grenades from all sides here. Also same age as Bernie anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lestajigs Posted 20 February 2020 Share Posted 20 February 2020 Hope trump wins again, i think he will be the best candidate for the uk tbf, trade deals etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 20 February 2020 Share Posted 20 February 2020 Pocahontas absolutely taking Mini Mike to shreds.  Amazing television, this race is going to be absolutely brutal.  How the hell have the Democrats got themselves into a situation where three blokes who can win the nomination have all shit like this attached to them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detroit Blues Posted 20 February 2020 Share Posted 20 February 2020 4 minutes ago, MattP said: Pocahontas absolutely taking Mini Mike to shreds.  Amazing television, this race is going to be absolutely brutal.  How the hell have the Democrats got themselves into a situation where three blokes who can win the nomination have all shit like this attached to them?  The debate was spicy  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 21 February 2020 Share Posted 21 February 2020 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51582025 Â On the one hand, this kind of thing needs to be made public. Â On the other, I don't actually see it having much of an effect on the landscape because I would wager that most Trump supporters simply wouldn't care that Russia was helping him win, so long as he wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl the Llama Posted 21 February 2020 Share Posted 21 February 2020 17 minutes ago, leicsmac said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51582025  On the one hand, this kind of thing needs to be made public.  On the other, I don't actually see it having much of an effect on the landscape because I would wager that most Trump supporters simply wouldn't care that Russia was helping him win, so long as he wins. Quote During the House intelligence briefing, Mr Trump's supporters argued that the president had taken a hard stance with Russia, and that European ties and security had been strengthened as a result, the newspaper added. Yeah nah, in keeping with rightists the world over they don't give a shit about truth and facts as long as they win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 21 February 2020 Share Posted 21 February 2020 9 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said: Yeah nah, in keeping with rightists the world over they don't give a shit about truth and facts as long as they win. Thing is though, the argument that winning is all that matters is a rather potent one right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 21 February 2020 Share Posted 21 February 2020 Not a combination I expected   Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 21 February 2020 Share Posted 21 February 2020 2 minutes ago, MattP said: Not a combination I expected   If the guy is so concerned about LGBT rights, perhaps he should be looking to make sure they're consistently enforced closer to home...often in areas where lots of people vote for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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