Coronavirus Thread

[yorkie1999]

51 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Indeed it did.

 

However, the bacterium Yersinia pestis and the family of coronaviruses are thankfully rather different to each other in that the latter is much simpler in terms of genetic structure and much more susceptible to mutations than the former.

Maybe so, what i'm saying though is that the omicron strain is not neccesarily a way out of this, it might be better or it might be be worse, it doesn't purposely mutate so it's more or less transmisable, it just mutates.

[leicsmac]

3 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

Maybe so, what i'm saying though is that the omicron strain is not neccesarily a way out of this, it might be better or it might be be worse, it doesn't purposely mutate so it's more or less transmisable, it just mutates.

Absolutely, and over the long run the form of mutation that will be the dominant one (as in most likely to perpetuate) will be one that allows its host to move around and infect others - less virulent ones, in other words.

 

You're right in that Omicron might not be that candidate, or even a stepping stone to that candidate, we don't know enough yet. Hopefully soon, we will.

[Farrington fox]

3 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

 

...world government decision making?

 

I think more explanation might be required.

They'll all have their own behavioural scientists. They all share the same objective, which is to coerce people into obeying the rules they lay down. So they'll employ the same techniques. The fact this Country hasn't gone as hard as say Austria yet, doesn't imply that it won't. 

[leicsmac]

4 minutes ago, Farrington fox said:

They'll all have their own behavioural scientists. They all share the same objective, which is to coerce people into obeying the rules they lay down. So they'll employ the same techniques. The fact this Country hasn't gone as hard as say Austria yet, doesn't imply that it won't. 

....so it is the globalist cabal, then?

 

Fair enough.

 

I'll just leave this one here again then.

 

32 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

To add to the above, I'm going to repeat that I simply don't get how people fear people and what they can do more than nature and what it can do when all empirical evidence suggests it is much crueller and more efficient at killing than the very worst excesses of humans could ever aspire to be.

 

I'm still looking for an explanation on that one, if anyone might oblige.

 

[Carl the Llama]

Guys I went to a bowling alley today where they checked I had my mask and made hand sanitiser available just inside the door.  I've never felt so attacked in my life, now I understand the plight of Winston Smith.

 

Bowling was fun though, nobody bothered us and we could order food and drinks without hassle, I just hate that I had to do so with clean hands.

[FoxesDeb]

5 minutes ago, Farrington fox said:

They'll all have their own behavioural scientists. They all share the same objective, which is to coerce people into obeying the rules they lay down. So they'll employ the same techniques. The fact this Country hasn't gone as hard as say Austria yet, doesn't imply that it won't. 

Ah OK, so what you're saying is that virtually every single country worldwide has its own behavioural scientist with the exact same belief of every other, and that every single government, regardless of their politics, has decided to implement their advice on restrictions independently, but at the same time, because they want us all to wear masks indoors sometimes. 

 

Seems legit 

[yorkie1999]

4 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said:

Guys I went to a bowling alley today where they checked I had my mask and made hand sanitiser available just inside the door.  I've never felt so attacked in my life, now I understand the plight of Winston Smith.

 

Bowling was fun though, nobody bothered us and we could order food and drinks without hassle, I just hate that I had to do so with clean hands.

Did you have to wear a mask when you were bowling?

[Carl the Llama]

21 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

Did you have to wear a mask when you were bowling?

Only when wandering the floor.  

[Farrington fox]

1 hour ago, FoxesDeb said:

Ah OK, so what you're saying is that virtually every single country worldwide has its own behavioural scientist with the exact same belief of every other, and that every single government, regardless of their politics, has decided to implement their advice on restrictions independently, but at the same time, because they want us all to wear masks indoors sometimes. 

 

Seems legit 

The restrictions are broadly the same. Just implemented with more authority in some places more than others. 

[FoxesDeb]

5 minutes ago, Farrington fox said:

The restrictions are broadly the same. Just implemented with more authority in some places more than others. 

So you honestly believe all these people worldwide think independently, but come up with the same ideals, and all the governments are prepared to listen to them despite their political leanings? For what reason? 

[Robo61]

1 hour ago, Farrington fox said:

They'll all have their own behavioural scientists. They all share the same objective, which is to coerce people into obeying the rules they lay down. So they'll employ the same techniques. The fact this Country hasn't gone as hard as say Austria yet, doesn't imply that it won't. 

It is certainly true that all behavorial scientists have the same objective,  but given they will not all have come from the same culture or politcial system they are very unlikely to all align politically as you seem to be implying. 

[Mike Oxlong]

The behavioural scientists are controlled by the lizards. FACT ! 

[SpacedX]

Just now, Mike Oxlong said:

The behavioural scientists are controlled by the lizards. FACT ! 

Nonsense. 

 

The behavioural scientists are the lizards. They can shapeshift remember.

[Mike Oxlong]

2 minutes ago, Line-X said:

Nonsense. 

 

The behavioural scientists are the lizards. They can shapeshift remember.

Yeah, but the lizards are too busy being the politicians.

[whoareyaaa]

5 minutes ago, Mike Oxlong said:

Yeah, but the lizards are too busy being the politicians.

The lizards are presenting the news thats why they blink so much 

[FoxesDeb]

Honestly I'm almost losing the will to live here. @Farrington foxseems to believe the world is controlled by a 66 year old British communist, @Legend_in_blue must have turned red from all the cherries he's picked over the last couple of years, but even though he must have consumed more vitamins than the rest of us he still can't muster the energy to reply to any questions, and poor Harry is so conflicted he's spent two years complaining about restrictions that he's decided not to do the one thing that could reduce them.

 

 

 

[Legend_in_blue]

23 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

Honestly I'm almost losing the will to live here. @Farrington foxseems to believe the world is controlled by a 66 year old British communist, @Legend_in_blue must have turned red from all the cherries he's picked over the last couple of years, but even though he must have consumed more vitamins than the rest of us he still can't muster the energy to reply to any questions, and poor Harry is so conflicted he's spent two years complaining about restrictions that he's decided not to do the one thing that could reduce them.

 

 

 

 

I'm cherry picking? 

 

[st albans fox]

14 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said:

 

I'm cherry picking? 

 

We accepted the 36% on here the other day without question and explained how it makes sense wrt the numbers vaxed/not vaxed 

 

if we managed to have a grown up debate on here then I’m sure gmtv could have a go!

 

the figure that is also relevant is ICU numbers although anyone in hospital is using valuable resources 

[Farrington fox]

37 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

Honestly I'm almost losing the will to live here. @Farrington foxseems to believe the world is controlled by a 66 year old British communist, @Legend_in_blue must have turned red from all the cherries he's picked over the last couple of years, but even though he must have consumed more vitamins than the rest of us he still can't muster the energy to reply to any questions, and poor Harry is so conflicted he's spent two years complaining about restrictions that he's decided not to do the one thing that could reduce them.

 

 

 

I don’t recall saying that explicitly. I think I   Initially implied Susan Michie in her post as a sage adviser influences our government. Then went on to add that different countries use the same methods. Which so far as I see, they do. 

[I am Rod Hull]

18 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said:

 

I'm cherry picking? 

 

[Robo61]

2 minutes ago, Farrington fox said:

I don’t recall saying that explicitly. I think I   Initially implied Susan Michie in her post as a sage adviser influences our government. Then went on to add that different countries use the same methods. Which so far as I see, they do. 

Have you stopped to consider that maybe the reason scientists are using the same methods,  is that because scientifically they are the right methods.

[st albans fox]

So there is some data that says AZ is pretty crap at preventing symptomatic omicron. Pfizer is a little better 

 

a booster (or I suppose also recent double jabbed) provides 75% protection against symptomatic omicron. 

 

Given that there is a large volume of people who are double jabbed AZ more than four/five months ago and not yet boosted, this doesn’t look like a great situation in the short term re likely pressure on the NHS if the new strain has  similar virulence to delta and alpha. If it’s way less virulent then that’s v good news indeed. 

Edited 10 December 2021 by st albans fox

[Parafox]

3 hours ago, Farrington fox said:

They'll all have their own behavioural scientists. They all share the same objective, which is to coerce people into obeying the rules they lay down. So they'll employ the same techniques. The fact this Country hasn't gone as hard as say Austria yet, doesn't imply that it won't. 

  LEGITIMATE please? In particular the use of the word "coerce". And I expect a definitive answer rather than a speculative one based on your own point of view and rather simplistic approach to the facts.

[SpacedX]

6 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

So there is some data that says AZ is pretty crap at preventing symptomatic omicron. Pfizer is a little better 

 

a booster (or I suppose also recent double jabbed) provides 75% protection against symptomatic omicron. 

 

Given that there is a large volume of people who are double jabbed AZ more than four/five months ago and not yet boosted, this doesn’t look like a great situation in the short term re likely pressure on the NHS if the new strain has  similar virulence to delta and alpha. If it’s way less virulent then that’s v good news indeed. 

The limited real world data we have showed the vaccines were less effective at stopping the new variant reinforcing laboratory studies that indicated a 40-fold reduction in the ability of antibodies from double-vaccinated people to respond to the virus. The vaccines are expected to show higher protection against the serious complications of COVID-19 whilst a third booster prevents around 75% of people getting any Covid symptoms. It is likely that more than half of all cases in the country will be Omicron by mid-December and if this rise continues unabated there will be more 100,000 cases a day by the end of the month. 

 

This is significant because hospital figures show that the majority of patients in critical care with coronavirus are unvaccinated.

[Parafox]

1 minute ago, Line-X said:

The limited real world data we have showed the vaccines were less effective at stopping the new variant reinforcing laboratory studies that indicated a 40-fold reduction in the ability of antibodies from double-vaccinated people to respond to the virus. The vaccines are expected to show higher protection against the serious complications of COVID-19 whilst a third booster prevents around 75% of people getting any Covid symptoms. It is likely that more than half of all cases in the country will be Omicron by mid-December and if this rise continues unabated there will be more 100,000 cases a day by the end of the month. 

 

This is significant because hospital figures show that

the majority of patients in critical care with coronavirus are unvaccinated.

 

Will they ever learn? It's soul destroying to keep attending and treating these people when the NHS should not be having them in their hospitals.