2020/21 Under 23's, U19's, Development ... thread

[SHANE_]

6-0  and still 30 minutes to play. Are  we always this bad 

[moore_94]

5 minutes ago, SHANE_ said:

5-0 now 

6-0 

[moore_94]

7-0, 15 minutes left

[moore_94]

8-0...

[An Sionnach]

Just now, moore_94 said:

7-0, 15 minutes left

We are not scouting properly or is just poor judgement of potential? We do not fast track at this club ,apart from L.Bs. Ambitious youngsters need to see a clear avenue to the first team squad. We call 23 y.o's. youngsters which is crazy.

[peach0000]

2 minutes ago, An Sionnach said:

We are not scouting properly or is just poor judgement of potential? We do not fast track at this club ,apart from L.Bs. Ambitious youngsters need to see a clear avenue to the first team squad. We call 23 y.o's. youngsters which is crazy.

Probably more likely just a poor crop of youngsters. No club is able to consistently have a group of world beaters year on year. There are however at least a couple of very good players in the U18s at the moment. 

[An Sionnach]

1 minute ago, peach0000 said:

Probably more likely just a poor crop of youngsters. No club is able to consistently have a group of world beaters year on year. There are however at least a couple of very good players in the U18s at the moment. 

We certainly need to look into this urgently . We should not be being outclassed by Fulham's young players.

[st albans fox]

4 minutes ago, An Sionnach said:

We certainly need to look into this urgently . We should not be being outclassed by Fulham's young players.

They could have a great U18 crop ............ the table will tell you that 

[moore_94]

2 minutes ago, An Sionnach said:

We certainly need to look into this urgently . We should not be being outclassed by Fulham's young players.

They shouldn't be beating us 8-0 I agree but they certainly have one of the best under 18 squads currently, they are 2nd in the league and could go 1st if they win their game in hand

 

This is in a league with Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs youth teams as well

[moore_94]

Full Time 8-0.... at least it wasn't 9 right?

[peach0000]

8 minutes ago, An Sionnach said:

We certainly need to look into this urgently . We should not be being outclassed by Fulham's young players.

It would be worrying if such things happened year after year but one poor year is nothing to worry about. It's just how youth football is. 

[An Sionnach]

Back in the day players like Nish and Cross were established first teamers at 20. Fofana was 18 and playing first team football. They and their parents knew that if they showed the promise,they would be given their chance. If it was left to some thinking around here KDH and Thomas would be loaned out until they were 25 , as Josh Knight appears to be enduring right now.

Edited 1 May 2021 by An Sionnach

[Jimmy]

who the hell is the U18s manager and why haven't they been sacked yet?

[SHANE_]

I don’t follow that much is it a one off but surely no Leicester team should be losing 8-0 to Fulham??? 

[Webbo]

54 minutes ago, An Sionnach said:

Back in the day players like Nish and Cross were established first teamers at 20. Fofana was 18 and playing first team football. They and their parents knew that if they showed the promise,they would be given their chance. If it was left to some thinking around here KDH and Thomas would be loaned out until they were 25 , as Josh Knight appears to be enduring right now.

Thomas is 19 not 25,by your argument he should have been in the first team at 13.

 

Its possible to think that loan is in his best interest for his career, not because you dislike him, think he's useless or want to get rid of him. 

[Ric Flair]

What's absolutely frightening is that side we had out was strong, there's not many U18's we own not playing. Absolutely disgusting year for the academy, big changes needed. 

[An Sionnach]

31 minutes ago, Webbo said:

Thomas is 19 not 25,by your argument he should have been in the first team at 13.

 

Its possible to think that loan is in his best interest for his career, not because you dislike him, think he's useless or want to get rid of him. 

Yes but , for every successful loan , two do not work and you get 22 y.o. players whose careers hit the buffers. I am not against loans but some players ( T A.A. , Foden etc.)do not need them. The big question is why one of Europe's most powerful clubs are not attracting enough quality young players. All this is history now but big changes are needed and soon. We have the facilities and have the financial power to attract the best coaches. If we get the quality kids we need to fast track them and if we upset a few established "first teamers" along the way too bad.

[Kilworthfox]

This result could be an unusual event. 

 

Or this could indicate problems. However the problems will have been at the club the same time as the majority of the players which will be 10 to 12 years. 

 

In this time these problems could have been seen and dealt with, or they could still be with the club meaning the club will continue to produce poor results, depending on what involvement poor staff have with these players. 

 

Are the u18s results important? No! 

 

The club runs the academy for essentially 2 reasons. To develop 1st team players, or to sell players to generate revunue. 

 

You have to have good staff to recruit players locally, then internationally, and then educate these young people... And the results then are for all to see. 

 

What this result tells you, is that 10 to 12 years ago, the club was in a dire place to recruit players, which is obvious if you consider where the club was at this time financially. 

 

How do you recover these age groups over a 10 year period of education? Now that's where good coaching comes in. Some are fantastic some are average some are poor. 

 

Metrics needed to be implemented, this process is currently now being addressed in 2021. 

 

I can tell you that LCFC does have some wonderful players within their Academy set up. Some age groups are stronger than others. I'd advise you've got a couple more ropey seasons to endure if you want some u18 success. 

[moore_94]

1 hour ago, SHANE_ said:

I don’t follow that much is it a one off but surely no Leicester team should be losing 8-0 to Fulham??? 

Lost 8-2 to Southampton in October

Lost 7-1 to Brighton in October

Lost 8-1 to Chelsea in November

 

Not a one off and not happening all the time but certainly not good that it is now 4 times we have conceded 7+ goals this season, and 3 times we have conceded 8

 

70 goals conceded and 29 scored in 21 league games

 

2 wins 5 draws 14 losses

Edited 1 May 2021 by moore_94

[Ric Flair]

21 minutes ago, Kilworthfox said:

This result could be an unusual event. 

 

Or this could indicate problems. However the problems will have been at the club the same time as the majority of the players which will be 10 to 12 years. 

 

In this time these problems could have been seen and dealt with, or they could still be with the club meaning the club will continue to produce poor results, depending on what involvement poor staff have with these players. 

 

Are the u18s results important? No! 

 

The club runs the academy for essentially 2 reasons. To develop 1st team players, or to sell players to generate revunue. 

 

You have to have good staff to recruit players locally, then internationally, and then educate these young people... And the results then are for all to see. 

 

What this result tells you, is that 10 to 12 years ago, the club was in a dire place to recruit players, which is obvious if you consider where the club was at this time financially. 

 

How do you recover these age groups over a 10 year period of education? Now that's where good coaching comes in. Some are fantastic some are average some are poor. 

 

Metrics needed to be implemented, this process is currently now being addressed in 2021. 

 

I can tell you that LCFC does have some wonderful players within their Academy set up. Some age groups are stronger than others. I'd advise you've got a couple more ropey seasons to endure if you want some u18 success. 

I agree with what you're saying to a certain extent but there's some very talented players in the U18 crop but for whatever reason this season they've just been whipping boys.

 

Braybrooke, Both Pennants, Wanya-Marcival, Ewing etc are all good players many of whom play for their national youth teams.

[sacreblueits442]

1 hour ago, peach0000 said:

Probably more likely just a poor crop of youngsters. No club is able to consistently have a group of world beaters year on year. There are however at least a couple of very good players in the U18s at the moment. 

....there are hundreds of really skilful players out there!!!

We obviously have taken a stance that a certain type of player will do well in our system and this generic approach has produced a very much undiverse crop of students. There are no flair or mavericks encompassed in our roster, there used to be outrageously talented players in academies but getting them through to the first team is a challenge, as they come with certain baggage (that is why they are who they are) and this temperament holds them back to the point that it is counterproductive to them surviving the process.

  We are looking to capture a wider area of recruits and we need a totally different approach to recruitment in respect of the students we bring in and a much higher standard of coaching. These poor results are partly to do with the reorganisation of the age groups, but if the system is already flawed we are not going to be able to resolve this by moving academy players up and down the groups.

    You want to see the cocky 14 year old, who can express himself on the pitch, the winger who is so quick and plays with both feet and the extroverts that seemed to have been marginalised in order for us to have a system which is now lagging behind (what we would term, lesser teams) and we will not match other clubs out there, until we finally get to overhaul our own system.

[Kilworthfox]

41 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

I agree with what you're saying to a certain extent but there's some very talented players in the U18 crop but for whatever reason this season they've just been whipping boys.

 

Braybrooke, Both Pennants, Wanya-Marcival, Ewing etc are all good players many of whom play for their national youth teams.

So the first is the reason for running the age group. 👍🏼

[Angus Scott]

Bad news as well for U23's as WHU won at Arsenal today so we need to win both our last 2 games to be definitely safe

[Ric Flair]

2 hours ago, Kilworthfox said:

So the first is the reason for running the age group. 👍🏼

Results might not be that important but conceding more than 7 goals foe the 4th time this season doesn't suggest a positive learning environment either. I'm still yet to see any tangible evidence of the academy making changes.

[Kilworthfox]

15 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

Results might not be that important but conceding more than 7 goals foe the 4th time this season doesn't suggest a positive learning environment either. I'm still yet to see any tangible evidence of the academy making changes.

I don't think that you'll see any changes for at least 2 seasons if you are watching the u18s. 

 

The problems will be big, coming from 10 years ago. You are seeing the recruitment work from that time bare it's fruit now. As important as coaching is, if you don't have the talent collectively, then your age group will lose games. Not that that should ever be a metric with development football. 

Edited 2 May 2021 by Kilworthfox