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HighPeakFox

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I haven't seen the quote by Wenger that people are commenting upon.

 

However, I did just listen to a 45 minute interview with him, and he's erudite, passionate, thoughtful and evidently respects the game here. Just because he might say something you or I disagree with, that doesn't mean he's a c**t/idiot, it just means he sees things differently. It's well worth a listen.

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Vlad the Fox

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9 hours ago, Markyblue said:

Notts forest hate being called notts forest, so if you could refrain from calling notts forest .. notts forest all at notts forest would appreciate it.

You also need to make a point of referring to big Wes as Wesley, they can’t help themselves, like an overbearing parent.

 

”it’s Westley” 

 

“yeah, I know” lol 

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Vlad the Fox

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What needs to happen now is for the premier league, clubs, FA and fans to come together to bring in rules and regulations and restructure to grab power back from the big six and make the game fairer and for all, and to enshrine these rules to make sure they can’t be changed by a few greedy chairman who will be gone in 20 years. 
 

As said above if any team wishes to form and join a super league they’re out, if they want to rejoin its at a low level. Expelled from all cup competitions and any players joining these clubs not be allegable for international selection.

 

What’s telling about this is that it’s liverpool and man u, how long before they’re wanting to strip power from Spurs, man city when they’re forming allegiances with Bayern, Barcelona and Madrid? What about the local fans when big matches played abroad are preferred, do these fans realise that it’s the global audience they want, paying a premium, they’re not interested in locals complaining that their season ticket has risen £20 to £500. liverpool had a glimpse of this when they opened their new stand.

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Mickyblueeyes

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3 hours ago, HighPeakFox said:

I haven't seen the quote by Wenger that people are commenting upon.

 

However, I did just listen to a 45 minute interview with him, and he's erudite, passionate, thoughtful and evidently respects the game here. Just because he might say something you or I disagree with, that doesn't mean he's a c**t/idiot, it just means he sees things differently. It's well worth a listen.

I’m sorry but I disagree. He came out and said there are too many clubs. These clubs should be reduced because people support “a big club, the national team and follow their local club.” Tell that to fans of Exeter and Rochdale who follow their clubs up and down the country. Fans of clubs such as these don’t jump on the big club bandwagon and just have a passing interest in their local club. They are proper football fans, it just happens their clubs are in the lower leagues. It showed a lack of understanding of football fan culture in this country not of someone who cares passionately of football in this country. Well, he did care but only for those above championship line. 
 

Im not going to tell anyone of the lower leagues that their club should no longer exist or join up with another club. His ideas were very “elite” central. Which is the whole problem with this concept. No one is saying that re-structuring of the way football finances is handled in this country doesn’t need to change. In fact, we need to do more to make football accessible for the masses like it use to be. Not £1500 season tickets like his old club Arsenal do. The problem is, there is no reason to centralise the process of decision making to 6 clubs. 
 

There are many problems in English football. The amount of clubs with threat of going out of business is prime example of this. However, it’s link as much to poor directorship then to limited interest in lower league football. Which is the ideal I felt he was getting across. 

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7 hours ago, Abrasive fox said:

Amazes me that there are plenty of great women working in football yet the one who's always pointed to is Brady - who's ****ing terrible. I guess she seeks the publicity though and the others are actually getting on with their jobs.

Well yeah, with Whelan the rags can't throw in the obligatory references to Gold & Sullivan's porn business and her time on the apprentice.  Boooring.

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8 hours ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

I’m sorry but I disagree. He came out and said there are too many clubs. These clubs should be reduced because people support “a big club, the national team and follow their local club.” Tell that to fans of Exeter and Rochdale who follow their clubs up and down the country. Fans of clubs such as these don’t jump on the big club bandwagon and just have a passing interest in their local club. They are proper football fans, it just happens their clubs are in the lower leagues. It showed a lack of understanding of football fan culture in this country not of someone who cares passionately of football in this country. Well, he did care but only for those above championship line. 
 

Im not going to tell anyone of the lower leagues that their club should no longer exist or join up with another club. His ideas were very “elite” central. Which is the whole problem with this concept. No one is saying that re-structuring of the way football finances is handled in this country doesn’t need to change. In fact, we need to do more to make football accessible for the masses like it use to be. Not £1500 season tickets like his old club Arsenal do. The problem is, there is no reason to centralise the process of decision making to 6 clubs. 
 

There are many problems in English football. The amount of clubs with threat of going out of business is prime example of this. However, it’s link as much to poor directorship then to limited interest in lower league football. Which is the ideal I felt he was getting across. 

I don't disagree with a lot of what you wrote here - however, the interview I listened to made no mention of lower league clubs whatsoever, so I'm in no position to argue that point. Therefore, I'm not entirely sure what it is that I said that you disagree with. 

 

I've now found the quote (from a different interview to the one I heard, which was on the Totally Football Podcast).

 

"Today the modern fan supports the national team, supports a big club and supports his local team.

"The local supporters shrink and the smaller clubs have more difficulties to survive. Maybe you have to reduce the number of professional clubs.

 

"Maybe the second solution is to better share what is coming into the elite with the other clubs."

 

 I'm not going to lecture anyone on context etc., but he says 'maybe' twice, and in the 2nd instance offers a different solution. The second part of what he said makes the first part look rather better thought out, in my opinion. This isn't a man who doesn't care or who is to be readily dismissed just because he's thinking about the problem out loud.

 

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Mickyblueeyes

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1 hour ago, HighPeakFox said:

I don't disagree with a lot of what you wrote here - however, the interview I listened to made no mention of lower league clubs whatsoever, so I'm in no position to argue that point. Therefore, I'm not entirely sure what it is that I said that you disagree with. 

 

I've now found the quote (from a different interview to the one I heard, which was on the Totally Football Podcast).

 

"Today the modern fan supports the national team, supports a big club and supports his local team.

"The local supporters shrink and the smaller clubs have more difficulties to survive. Maybe you have to reduce the number of professional clubs.

 

"Maybe the second solution is to better share what is coming into the elite with the other clubs."

 

 I'm not going to lecture anyone on context etc., but he says 'maybe' twice, and in the 2nd instance offers a different solution. The second part of what he said makes the first part look rather better thought out, in my opinion. This isn't a man who doesn't care or who is to be readily dismissed just because he's thinking about the problem out loud.

 

The opinion I am disagreeing with is that he has the interest of football in this country at heart. However, it’s a game of opinions and it’s displayed here that I have interrupted it one way and you the other.

 

The problem with Wenger’s comments is in my opinion he fundamentally misunderstands the culture of the lower league football fan in this country. They apparently support the national team, their local team and a “big club”. I think that’s so far from the truth. I mean, it wasn’t that long ago that we were in England’s third division, I don’t think many Leicester fans associated themselves with a “big club” alongside league 1 Leicester. 
 

He holds a role which carries an important part in football development. How is someone going to develop football at all levels when they have no grasp of the concept of lower league football ? He offers two solutions: 1, the option to reduce the leagues; and 2, the option to increase funding to the lower league clubs. Context, given what has just been proposed, which he chose not to condemn, for a person in his position, is very dangerous. Yes football needs to think more on how to share the wealth but it also needs to think more on how clubs in the EFL are running themselves into these problems. He makes no mention of that. This is not a pandemic problem and certainly isn’t one that PBP is going to fix. 
 

Football needs more people outside of those who “rule” the big leagues contributing on this issue. I think Wenger’s comments yesterday given what has happen this week, without a clear condemnation of the plan, is very dangerous. Again, it’s down to interpretation but I read that as someone who wanted the clubs who proposed these ideas to push forward. 
 

Anyway, just had notification there is a further interview by him in the Athletic today, so I’ll read that to see if it adds anything else.

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34 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

The opinion I am disagreeing with is that he has the interest of football in this country at heart. However, it’s a game of opinions and it’s displayed here that I have interpreted it one way and you the other.

 

The problem with Wenger’s comments is in my opinion he fundamentally misunderstands the culture of the lower league football fan in this country. They apparently support the national team, their local team and a “big club”. I think that’s so far from the truth. I mean, it wasn’t that long ago that we were in England’s third division, I don’t think many Leicester fans associated themselves with a “big club” alongside league 1 Leicester. 
 

He holds a role which carries an important part in football development. How is someone going to develop football at all levels when they have no grasp of the concept of lower league football ? He offers two solutions: 1, the option to reduce the leagues; and 2, the option to increase funding to the lower league clubs. Context, given what has just been proposed, which he chose not to condemn, for a person in his position, is very dangerous. Yes football needs to think more on how to share the wealth but it also needs to think more on how clubs in the EFL are running themselves into these problems. He makes no mention of that. This is not a pandemic problem and certainly isn’t one that PBP is going to fix. 
 

Football needs more people outside of those who “rule” the big leagues contributing on this issue. I think Wenger’s comments yesterday given what has happen this week, without a clear condemnation of the plan, is very dangerous. Again, it’s down to interpretation but I read that as someone who wanted the clubs who proposed these ideas to push forward. 
 

Anyway, just had notification there is a further interview by him in the Athletic today, so I’ll read that to see if it adds anything else.

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Just now, Blue Fox 72 said:

Nice one HPF. You even corrected the interrupted to interpreted without mentioning it.

 

Credit due to you for that but also disappointing at the same time. :D

Got no issue with disagreement. Just not a fan of 'he's an idiot because he sees things differently' as a line of argument. 

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15 hours ago, HighPeakFox said:

I haven't seen the quote by Wenger that people are commenting upon.

 

However, I did just listen to a 45 minute interview with him, and he's erudite, passionate, thoughtful and evidently respects the game here. Just because he might say something you or I disagree with, that doesn't mean he's a c**t/idiot, it just means he sees things differently. It's well worth a listen.

Why spend 45 minutes listening to an interview and come up with a balanced positioned based on the nuance of what someone qualified to discuss a subject has to say on said topic, when you can instead spend 45 seconds making a snap judgement based on a small portion of what they said and then denounce any notion of the argument being made with an unearned level of superiority and an unreasonable level of outrage? 

 

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2 hours ago, DJ Barry Hammond said:

Why spend 45 minutes listening to an interview and come up with a balanced positioned based on the nuance of what someone qualified to discuss a subject has to say on said topic, when you can instead spend 45 seconds making a snap judgement based on a small portion of what they said and then denounce any notion of the argument being made with an unearned level of superiority and an unreasonable level of outrage? 

 

Have you been banned yet? 

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2 hours ago, HighPeakFox said:

Got no issue with disagreement. Just not a fan of 'he's an idiot because he sees things differently' as a line of argument. 

I agree. Probably wasn't the most intelligent way to express my disagreement with his point. Regardless what others far superior beings think, I did watch the interview that I commented on and provided (I think) 6 paragraphs over two post to explain the disagreement with Wenger's comments and approach. However, I agree it probably doesn't add weight to the argument where I have started off by displaying my disdain for the comments and the manner in which they were expressed it such derogatory ways to him. I do like your approach at times on this forum, you engage in debate and challenge opinions - that for me is very beneficial  as a stress release (which is one of the reasons I comment on this forum) as we'd all be quite boring if we all agreed. Thanks for correcting my mis-spelling too :)

 

P.S Wenger's a nobhead :nono::)

 

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, HighPeakFox said:

Got no issue with disagreement. Just not a fan of 'he's an idiot because he sees things differently' as a line of argument. 

 

2 hours ago, DJ Barry Hammond said:

Why spend 45 minutes listening to an interview and come up with a balanced positioned based on the nuance of what someone qualified to discuss a subject has to say on said topic, when you can instead spend 45 seconds making a snap judgement based on a small portion of what they said and then denounce any notion of the argument being made with an unearned level of superiority and an unreasonable level of outrage? 

 

Having an opinion (especially one different from the norm), is threatening to many people.

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20 hours ago, jammie82uk said:

Really surprised at reading this but yeah she has been CEO since King Power took over the club 

 

She is also on the board at OH Leuven 

 

she is also the Senior Executive Vice President of King Power Group 

 

Just to check - surprise that I've not heard of her?

 

I'm a Manchester City fan, not a Leicester City fan, if that helps.

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On 11/10/2020 at 12:24, davieG said:

A Classic case of Smoke and Mirrors

 

Something that is described as smoke and mirrors is intended to make you believe that something is being done or is true, when it is not:

 

59 minutes ago, foxestalkisfullofidiots said:

Makes you wonder if this is all smoke and mirrors, 14 clubs were never going to vote for this in the first place.

I think so yeah. But I also think they've asked for the impossible in order to get other things in the proposal.

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I wouldn’t be surprised if this is just a negotiation tactic from Liverpool and Man Utd. Have a few points that you actually want, but suggest something absolutely ridiculous, so they can “compromise”. Wouldn’t be surprised at all if at some point if we had an 18 league division with a relegation play off. 

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