The “ I’ve got something to say, but it doesn’t warrant its own thread “ thread.

[Parafox]

1 minute ago, leicsmac said:

Welcome to Anglosphere political discourse in the year 2025.

 

You're speaking a language I don't understand. 

[leicsmac]

2 minutes ago, Parafox said:

 

You're speaking a language I don't understand. 

Sorry Para 

 

I mean, welcome to how the English-speaking world talks about politics these days. So much angry noise, so little substance besides causing hurt to other human beings. 

[RonnieTodger]

1 hour ago, Parafox said:

 

Examples please as some on here don't have twitter/X

Some will be satire, but a lot are these faceless right wing accounts 

 

 

Edited 22 July 2025 by RonnieTodger

[leicsmac]

31 minutes ago, RonnieTodger said:

Some will be satire, but a lot are these faceless right wing accounts 

 

 

Well, well well...

 

[Tommy G]

2 hours ago, RonnieTodger said:

The replies to Keir Starmer’s Twitter are absolutely unhinged.

X is unhinged in general though, secondly he’s hardly mr popular, his stock will struggle to sink any lower.

[leicsmac]

5 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

X is unhinged in general though, secondly he’s hardly mr popular, his stock will struggle to sink any lower.

Agreed, but I'm not sure how relevant an argument that is right now given how much social media is bleeding into real life action. 

[The Bear]

What has happened to the "Books" thread? I can't find it. 

[Zear0]

5 minutes ago, The Bear said:

What has happened to the "Books" thread? I can't find it. 

 

 

That one?

[CornwallFox]

3 hours ago, leicsmac said:

Agreed, but I'm not sure how relevant an argument that is right now given how much social media is bleeding into real life action. 

Much of today's political movements appear to be driven by fake social media stories designed to stir up anger. Just pure lies believed by millions. 

[Jon the Hat]

1 hour ago, CornwallFox said:

Much of today's political movements appear to be driven by fake social media stories designed to stir up anger. Just pure lies believed by millions. 

Enabled by mainstream politics on both sides of the house telling the population to ignore their own experiences and accept mass immigration as its all fine and definitely isn't causing any issues at all.  You reap what you sow.  That mainstream is catching up with social media a little too slowly and it has let in the *****.

Edited 23 July 2025 by Jon the Hat

[CornwallFox]

31 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

Enabled by mainstream politics on both sides of the house telling the population to ignore their own experiences and accept mass immigration as its all fine and definitely isn't causing any issues at all.  You reap what you sow.  That mainstream is catching up with social media a little too slowly and it has let in the *****.

I think the left has been extremely naive to ignore concerns and not have a proper debate for so long. 

 

And I think the right uses the issue to win power but doesn't really want to solve it, in fact the Tories intentionally created a crisis. It's simply a means to an end to ensure a continuation of the current status quo.

 

But that's separate to the issue if social media being used to sow discord and spread lies. It's a really dirty kind of politics that won't lead anywhere good.

[Sampson]

3 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

Enabled by mainstream politics on both sides of the house telling the population to ignore their own experiences and accept mass immigration as it’s all fine and definitely isn't causing any issues at all.  You reap what you sow.  That mainstream is catching up with social media a little too slowly and it has let in the *****.

I would say though. Why I think it clearly does cause issues and people are right to feel that way, the reality is we *do* have to accept either mass immigration or raising of the pension age, things like winter fuel allowance being cut, less NHS treatment etc. That is just the reality of an ageing population, it’s going to be impossible in a few decades to have a population of a working population entirely working to fund a pension system otherwise and there’s not much the ruling parties can do when the electorate won’t accept either option.
 

And populists are just saying “no you don’t need to accept either”, but then offer no explanation of what they’d do instead (because their isn’t an answer) other than blame the civil service and separation of powers as being slow beurocracy and scream “we’d get things done” by making the government overly powerful and removing the separation of powers that 2,000+ years of European history have shown us democracy needs to stop individuals being able to get too powerful and create authoritarianism. 

Edited 23 July 2025 by Sampson

[Jon the Hat]

13 minutes ago, Sampson said:

I would say though. Why I think it clearly does cause issues and people are right to feel that way, the reality is we *do* have to accept either mass immigration or raising of the pension age, things like winter fuel allowance being cut, less NHS treatment etc. That is just the reality of an ageing population, it’s going to be impossible in a few decades to have a population of a working population entirely working to fund a pension system otherwise and there’s not much the ruling parties can do when the electorate won’t accept either option.
 

And populists are just saying “no you don’t need to accept either”, but then offer no explanation of what they’d do instead (because their isn’t an answer) other than blame the civil service and separation of powers as being slow beurocracy and scream “we’d get things done” by making the government overly powerful and removing the seoeration of powers that 2,000+ years of European history have shown us democracy needs to stop individuals being able to get too powerful and create authoritarianism. 

There has been way too little explanation of the positives of immigration that is for sure, but that still needs to be alongside recognising and managing the downsides.  Preferably also avoiding calling anyone with concerns racist or Xenophobic.

[leicsmac]

56 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

There has been way too little explanation of the positives of immigration that is for sure, but that still needs to be alongside recognising and managing the downsides.  Preferably also avoiding calling anyone with concerns racist or Xenophobic.

When it's unjustified, certainly.

 

That being said, there are some out there who are exactly both of those things. And they can and will use those concerns to leverage power for themselves and their sadism.

[splinterdream]

3 hours ago, CornwallFox said:

I think the left has been extremely naive to ignore concerns and not have a proper debate for so long. 

 

And I think the right uses the issue to win power but doesn't really want to solve it, in fact the Tories intentionally created a crisis. It's simply a means to an end to ensure a continuation of the current status quo.

 

But that's separate to the issue if social media being used to sow discord and spread lies. It's a really dirty kind of politics that won't lead anywhere good.

I think 'left and right' label is all codswallop, it constantly moves. I wish we could do away with these labels, Starmers language of labelling main stream concerns on immigration of language of the far right, thats what winds people up, amongst many other things of course.

[leicsmac]

4 hours ago, CornwallFox said:

I think the left has been extremely naive to ignore concerns and not have a proper debate for so long. 

 

And I think the right uses the issue to win power but doesn't really want to solve it, in fact the Tories intentionally created a crisis. It's simply a means to an end to ensure a continuation of the current status quo.

 

But that's separate to the issue if social media being used to sow discord and spread lies. It's a really dirty kind of politics that won't lead anywhere good.

It's the politics of division based along demographic lines, and often those lines are entirely arbitrary. 

 

And that kind of disunity really won't lead anywhere good. Soon. 

 

1 hour ago, Sampson said:

I would say though. Why I think it clearly does cause issues and people are right to feel that way, the reality is we *do* have to accept either mass immigration or raising of the pension age, things like winter fuel allowance being cut, less NHS treatment etc. That is just the reality of an ageing population, it’s going to be impossible in a few decades to have a population of a working population entirely working to fund a pension system otherwise and there’s not much the ruling parties can do when the electorate won’t accept either option.
 

And populists are just saying “no you don’t need to accept either”, but then offer no explanation of what they’d do instead (because their isn’t an answer) other than blame the civil service and separation of powers as being slow beurocracy and scream “we’d get things done” by making the government overly powerful and removing the separation of powers that 2,000+ years of European history have shown us democracy needs to stop individuals being able to get too powerful and create authoritarianism. 

Exactly. 

 

People only need look at the East Asian industrialised nations to see what you're saying here. 

 

Unless one wants to regress to a Mad Max style city-state, the idea of an ethnostate in this time is not only morally abhorrent, it's also wildly impractical. 

 

16 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

I think 'left and right' label is all codswallop, it constantly moves. I wish we could do away with these labels, Starmers language of labelling main stream concerns on immigration of language of the far right, thats what winds people up, amongst many other things of course.

Since such terms were invented for the French legislature around the time of their Revolution, they certainly are old labels that may not really apply now. 

 

At the end of the day, we're all human, and there really is no need to invent division and problems between ourselves when surviving on this planet for any meaningful length of time is so difficult anyway. 

[splinterdream]

2 hours ago, leicsmac said:

It's the politics of division based along demographic lines, and often those lines are entirely arbitrary. 

 

And that kind of disunity really won't lead anywhere good. Soon. 

 

Exactly. 

 

People only need look at the East Asian industrialised nations to see what you're saying here. 

 

Unless one wants to regress to a Mad Max style city-state, the idea of an ethnostate in this time is not only morally abhorrent, it's also wildly impractical. 

 

Since such terms were invented for the French legislature around the time of their Revolution, they certainly are old labels that may not really apply now. 

 

At the end of the day, we're all human, and there really is no need to invent division and problems between ourselves when surviving on this planet for any meaningful length of time is so difficult anyway. 

So true, I had a conversation with a declared Marxist earlier in the week, and I told him I didn't agree with his political views on the whole, I was then scared he'd be offended as I find the hard left normally are, he was greek though and said he was fine, and although we didn't get masses of time to chat politics and economics, I would loved to have dived deeper into how hed like the world to look.

We'd probably have agreed on some things despite the fact i would describe myself as a conservative 

Edited 23 July 2025 by splinterdream

[leicsmac]

20 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

So true, I had a conversation with a declared Marxist earlier in the week, and I told him I didn't agree with his political views on the whole, I was then scared he'd be offended as I find the hard left normally are, he was greek though and said he was fine, and although we didn't get masses of time to chat politics and economics, I would loved to have dived deeper into how hed like the world to look.

We'd probably have agreed on some things despite the fact i would describe myself as a conservative 

I would like to think that the vast majority of people do have at least one eye on the future and would like to have one where no other human suffered (or at least suffered less).

 

The unfortunate thing is that there appears to be so many ways to get that wrong and so few to get it right, and ending up with big trouble through well-meaning ignorance will have the same effect as steering into it through direct malice. 

 

So, at the end of the day, some unity on how we move forward, that goes past politics and demographics, really needs to be agreed and acted upon. 

[bovril]

I think the idea that politicians sow division and without them we'd all get along fine is quite naive. Probably because the rise of the Nazis is so prevalent in our education and media. I think history shows the opposite - a state's elite has an interest in different ethnic or religious groups getting along, but things tend to unravel anyway when the shit hits the fan, especially in times of economic hardship. The English of course are confident that these things happen only in backward countries east of Vienna. 

[leicsmac]

31 minutes ago, bovril said:

I think the idea that politicians sow division and without them we'd all get along fine is quite naive. Probably because the rise of the Nazis is so prevalent in our education and media. I think history shows the opposite - a state's elite has an interest in different ethnic or religious groups getting along, but things tend to unravel anyway when the shit hits the fan, especially in times of economic hardship. The English of course are confident that these things happen only in backward countries east of Vienna. 

This is another plausible theory tbh. 

 

Whatever the cause, it is rather important that such tribal upheaval is minimised as much as possible, given the increasing levels of damage such upheaval can now cause. 

[Trav Le Bleu]

56 minutes ago, bovril said:

The English of course are confident that these things happen only in backward countries east of Felixstowe.

Fixed

[urban.spaceman]

I really wish we could go back to a time where Leicester were shit but life was reasonably good instead of everything being shit with Leicester being even shitter as well. 
 

2015 to mid 2016 was the weirdest time. 

[Zear0]

30 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

I really wish we could go back to a time where Leicester were shit but life was reasonably good instead of everything being shit with Leicester being even shitter as well. 
 

2015 to mid 2016 was the weirdest time. 

I think 12-14 was when I was most content as a fan. Seemed to just be able to enjoy watching football (except Futacs) and not be particularly stressed. Had an entire row to myself as well. 

[bovril]

Early 2010s was good fun. Living in Eastern Europe loads of our championship games were on terrestrial TV and would finish at 7 so I didn't have to find something to do in those crap hours between the game finishing and going out for food and drink. Plus we were a pretty entertaining team. 

[bovril]

Vibes are really important for football teams and countries. Better to be lower in the pyramid but with a sense of improving than be higher up but having thrown it away. All encompassing sense of decline with LCFC and the country as a whole which is pretty crap.