Coaching

[Collymore]

1 minute ago, Manini said:

Basic stuff - ball in the air, they’ll probably deal with it because their trademark is being good in the air, it’s kept them up consistently. 
 

Ball on the floor, they’ll probably struggle, maybe try some short ones and try and play it through them. 

Yep our goal came from a central position and then Tielemans looked like he had set up at base camp for a rest before hitting the post from the central position. I'm sure he had another chance where he back heeled it to Vardy too where he had cut through them with ease. It was so obvious to see their weakness last night, they were there for the taking down the middle and everything should have been about getting that ball into that central area on the floor as much as possible. 

[Manini]

3 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

Only suggest a coach, as those players were at their best 20 years ago, you can't get away with half the physicality they used now. 

Very good point. It’s not as much about pure blood and thunder in the box anymore I don’t think, more running patterns, dragging other people out of position and targeted crossing. 
 

Edit: none of which apply to us at the minute unfortunately. We do still just lump it in and hope for’t best. 

Edited 4 March 2021 by Manini

[foxfanazer]

Just now, Manini said:

Very good point. It’s not as much about pure blood and thunder in the box anymore I don’t think, more running patterns, dragging other people out of position and targeted crossing. 

I also think there's a complete lack of desire to win the ball, that or a lack of belief that they can

[coolhandfox]

22 minutes ago, Collymore said:

I caught Matt Elliott talking about our set pieces on one of those internal club videos (which are usually highly party-line and avoid any criticism, even constructive!)

 

He basically couldn't hide his anger at how bad the set pieces were both offensivley and defensively. He said it was so basic the mistakes they were making. 

 

I've said it before but why not get Elliott, Tags, Walsh and even Guppy down to do some work with the squad? I know that might not be possible now with Covid but when things improve surely this would be so beneficial to us.

 

We have some of the best set piece experts that the Premier League has ever seen still local no doubt that would help in a heart beat. 

 

 

Thats the difference, all 3 of those were great in the air and Guppy delivery was first class.

 

I'm sure we can improve but some of its done to personnel in my view.

Edited 4 March 2021 by coolhandfox

[Collymore]

It's good points about the game moving on actually. I don't think they'd get away with half the stuff they did with VAR. 

[ARTY_FOX]

It probably doesn't help that we're quite a short team on set peices. Then the taller players we do have, don't have a man and generally it's someone who has no business marking a 6ft 2 centre back that gets beaten in the air. 

 

Qhen taking corners we must aim for the near post because I refuse to beleive that 2 players of the quality maddison and tielemans possess can't get a corner past the first man. Just a shit corner idea imo. Zonal needs binning. It has never and will never be a good idea. 

Edited 4 March 2021 by ARTY_FOX

[Collymore]

Talking about central weaknesses with Burnley, if you look at that last attack, Vardy has a simple pass to Tavares on the penalty spot for a certain goal! You'd like to think Tavares had sensed this vulnerability in their game.

[StanSP]

1 hour ago, foxfanazer said:

Sometimes I watch us and genuinely can't believe these players train together all week

I don't like to harp on about all the injuries but surely this plays a part, definitely in addition to what @Hales said too. Upsets the rhythm.

 

Having said that, I don't think for one second there's a lack of coaching. I think some areas are just neglected. If you look at a lot of our phases of play it's very patient, so relies on movement of several players all at once. Look at Kelechi's goal yesterday as a prime example. Getting someone on the ball just over halfway, you have Vardy's main movement deep, the wide players staying wide to occupy the full backs and then Kelechi timing his run perfectly in to the gap. The ball needs to be perfect and it was. It's that kind of goal and phase which is probably tried a few times in the game but doesn't always come off. 

 

 

As said above though, the defending from set pieces is what I think is neglected a lot of the time. Or if it isn't, then it falls on the players to not enact in to play what they learn or practice in training. Zonal marking probably isn't bad if everyone does the job and role they need to, but we've made it look horrendous. It's definitely something that should be improved on but I don't see it. 

Attacking set pieces could be better when we're not having a direct shot at goal. The corners are disgustingly bad. Sometimes you might try a near-post flick-on but that can't be the tactic every time. I don't kind going short sometimes, especially against teams like Burnley who have a distinct height advantage, but again not all the time. 

[sacreblueits442]

11 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

Whilst we definitely need work on it, I'd rather we brought in specific set piece coaches similar to Liverpool with throw-ins than just getting 4 ex players to turn up.

...apart from Steve Walsh jnr, I am sure the aforementioned players have coaching badges.

 It might even instill some grit in the team. 

 As regards Liverpool,  did they actually bring in coaches in for "Throw ins", seems a very strange aspect of the game to bring in "specialists". I have posted before regarding our inability to find a man when taking them and it is either a 50/50 or 60/40 to the opposition. 

  If Klopp believes in such fine lines we may just need to take a look ourselves. 

[Manini]

11 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

I also think there's a complete lack of desire to win the ball, that or a lack of belief that they can

Makes you wonder how much they talk about the collective lack of height in the team so they just don’t even consider it a viable way of scoring a goal. 
 

This isn’t a dig at him by the way but I reckon Rodgers is the type of bloke who cares very deeply about how goals are scored a lot of the time too. It wouldn’t surprise me if he sort of devalued putting the ball in the net via a cross as opposed to putting it in with a crisp free flowing move with 10+ passes and a tidy finish past the keeper, so maybe that plays in to it. 
 

 

 

I have just re read my last paragraph and laughed to myself because yes that does sound utterly ridiculous but I’m just spitballing ideas. **** it it’s staying in, pick it apart all you like with stats about how many goals we’ve actually scored from crosses  

Edited 4 March 2021 by Manini

[Lcfc82]

34 minutes ago, Manini said:

I am absolutely convinced that we spend no time working on attacking set pieces. It’s gone past being just bad luck now, we never, ever look threatening from a corner. 
 

I think they probably do work on defending them but zonal marking is one for the bin. It’s the first thing that gets highlighted in analysis when teams are bad at defending set pieces I’m amazed it’s even still a thing. 

To be honest we’re that bad at attacking set pieces that were more likely to concede a goal on the counter rather than score ourselves.

[Guest SO1]

Is there someone on the forum who actually knows anything about management or coaching at this level?...............crickets..............another Rodgers bashing thread it is then. Whatever entertains and makes you feel good.

[norwichfox]

we're coached?

[foxfanazer]

2 minutes ago, SO1 said:

Is there someone on the forum who actually knows anything about management or coaching at this level?...............crickets..............another Rodgers bashing thread it is then. Whatever entertains and makes you feel good.

It's clearly not is it? Plenty of decent discussion on it so far. Might as well close the forum down if you have to be and expert to comment on things 

 

About 2 posts in I say it's not a Rodgers bashing thread and instead about our coaching as a collective. But nice try! 

Edited 4 March 2021 by foxfanazer

[Guest SO1]

Just now, foxfanazer said:

It's clearly not is it? Plenty of decent discussion on it so far. Might as well close the forum down if you have to be and expert to comment on things 

In your opinion.

[Clever Fox]

The set pieces free kicks especially look better with Youri taking them than Maddison. 

When we do have a corner and the CBs come forward they seem to mark each other instead of one going front post and one central.

We rarely pick up defensive headers on the edge of the Box when we have a Corner.

 

I know we don't have much time between games but we can do better. 

[foxfanazer]

1 minute ago, SO1 said:

In your opinion.

Well I started the thread so yeah

[foxfanazer]

People saying about the schedule this season meaning we're probably not on the training pitch too much is a good point. Say we we're playing Thursday, Sunday, Thursday most weeks, what days would we be training in between those? 

[Manini]

I’m one of the first to say that some of the criticism Rodgers gets on here is wildly unfair and is more based around previous perceptions and attacks on his character rather than the job he’s doing here. This thread isn’t one of those instances, not by a long way. 

[Pliskin]

The fact we’ve not dropped out of the top four, considering all of the problem we have had proves how good the coaches are. I’m not remotely concerned about it. I do harbour some reservations about our mentality sometimes, but the improvement in some of the players has been staggering. 

[Tuna]

We should be ashamed by our potency at set pieces, particularly corners.

[foxfanazer]

Just now, Pliskin said:

The fact we’ve not dropped out of the top four, considering all of the problem we have had proves how good the coaches are. I’m not remotely concerned about it. I do harbour some reservations about our mentality sometimes, but the improvement in some of the players has been staggering. 

Fair enough. No harm wanting to see improvements on our obvious flaws. Could be the difference in finishing top 4 in the end if we just sharpened up a bit from set pieces 

[hackneyfox]

6 minutes ago, SO1 said:

Is there someone on the forum who actually knows anything about management or coaching at this level?...............crickets..............another Rodgers bashing thread it is then. Whatever entertains and makes you feel good.

You came on a Leicester City forum because Rodgers became our manager and you follow him wherever he goes.

As leicester fans weregularly discuss the club, owners, management team, players and our fans.

Your love-in with Rodgers means that you seem to see any negative comments as a personal attack.

 

Personally I think he's doing a great job under very trying conditions, still happy to read other opinions on what he brings to the club or where he may be perceived to sometimes have room for improvement.

[foxfanazer]

Would also like us to work more on the holy grail of footballing ability, the 5 yard pass! 

[sacreblueits442]

17 minutes ago, Lcfc82 said:

To be honest we’re that bad at attacking set pieces that were more likely to concede a goal on the counter rather than score ourselves.

...it would be Interesting to find out how  many yellow cards we have accumulated due to stopping a counter attack!!!

  Why are we so vulnerable, are we pushed too high or are players not in a position to deal with the oppositions break on us.