Brendan Rodgers

[Aus Fox]

1 hour ago, filbertway said:

18-24 months is being incredibly generous in my opinion.

 

First 11-12 months were great to watch and I was absolutely delighted we tied him down to a new long term contract when we did (I'll never make that mistake again. Things can change very quickly). The team played with a high press and we just forced teams into making mistakes and we punished them beautifully.

 

Since then, aside from one patch Between Dec-Feb 20/21 it's been largely uninspiring and dull. As well as the club regressing in several areas whilst still increasing outgoings on personnel. 

 

I can overlook performances on the pitch if I feel progress is being made under the manager. At no point in the past 3 years have I felt we were a club that was progressing under Rodgers or even laying the foundations for future success.

 

Puel played honking and boring football (although he did have Mendy/Ndidi so it's not a surprise) that I detest, but I couldn't hear a bad word said about the man as I appreciated that he was tasked with going in and disbanding an aging and close-knit team whilst trying to lay new foundations that would have us capable of challenging for Europe.

 

I've just not had that feeling from Rodgers at all. I fully expected him to come in and build on Puel's work. He was supposed to be a superior manager that would take us to the next level. For me, he's ridden on Puel's coat tails while we've plateaued and steadily declined. Ultimately leading to the situation this summer where the club didn't feel comfortable sanctioning incoming transfers.

 

O'Neil didn't play high press pretty football, but he dragged us out of the second tier and got us into Europe and competitive on a relatively small budget. Leaving the club in an absolutely superb position compared to when he joined.

 

Plateaued and steadily declined, whilst winning the FA Cup for the first time in our history and having two of the best final league placings in our history, getting in Europe two seasons in a row for the first time in our history.

How many times in his 4 year tenure have we scored 4 goals plus in a game? How many times had we done that before in the premier league era.

We are having a tough season this year, we badly needed investment in the playing squad, that didn’t come. We’ve seen the improvement made by the latest  arrivals. But we have certainly evolved as a club since his arrival.

Success at the top, ultimately is not sustainable without huge investment. Look at any team outside of Liverpool, Man Utd and Arsenal that have broken into the big boys club - Man City and Chelsea have joined them thanks to significant financial backing. Everyone else who has attempted; Newcastle (Keegan years) Leeds, West Ham, Aston Villa, Everton and Spurs; they’ve all tried to break into that top six and have ultimately either broken the bank in doing so, fallen off a cliff the following season or in Spurs case stuck around without any success.

Leicester in the last 8 years are the only club that’s maintained a challenge to the big boys, had success and not been bankrupted along the way.

Since the PL began, (I’m well aware there was football before 1992, but money changed everything.) how many teams have won a trophy? How many have won 2 different trophies? How many have the full set?

In Brendan’s time we’ve achieved something other clubs haven’t managed to do, challenge the top 6, just about balance the books, and win things - throw into the mix a European semifinal and I’d say his 4 years have been better than plateauing and declining.

[fuchsntf]

2 hours ago, Aus Fox said:

Plateaued and steadily declined, whilst winning the FA Cup for the first time in our history and having two of the best final league placings in our history, getting in Europe two seasons in a row for the first time in our history.

How many times in his 4 year tenure have we scored 4 goals plus in a game? How many times had we done that before in the premier league era.

We are having a tough season this year, we badly needed investment in the playing squad, that didn’t come. We’ve seen the improvement made by the latest  arrivals. But we have certainly evolved as a club since his arrival.

Success at the top, ultimately is not sustainable without huge investment. Look at any team outside of Liverpool, Man Utd and Arsenal that have broken into the big boys club - Man City and Chelsea have joined them thanks to significant financial backing. Everyone else who has attempted; Newcastle (Keegan years) Leeds, West Ham, Aston Villa, Everton and Spurs; they’ve all tried to break into that top six and have ultimately either broken the bank in doing so, fallen off a cliff the following season or in Spurs case stuck around without any success.

Leicester in the last 8 years are the only club that’s maintained a challenge to the big boys, had success and not been bankrupted along the way.

Since the PL began, (I’m well aware there was football before 1992, but money changed everything.) how many teams have won a trophy? How many have won 2 different trophies? How many have the full set?

In Brendan’s time we’ve achieved something other clubs haven’t managed to do, challenge the top 6, just about balance the books, and win things - throw into the mix a European semifinal and I’d say his 4 years have been better than plateauing and declining.

And that sir,is why I applaud our owners, more than FTers.

They realise and understand the balance they needed to find after,

2 turbulent years,around football, Corona,KP shortfalls, and not being able to invest high sums in player investment..

 

one thing you did miss out…Seagrave an investment which will help the developement and facilities for squad & future players. It will need time before

 major advantages will be seen,but some blind naysayers pushed the idea,that

positives must be immediately seen from the time we took the keys.

 

The character assignation of Rodgers on here has been nothing short of pathetic,running into bile & toxic levels,which shames this forum…

Bully boys who think they have to prove how hard they are,by spitting out tripe..and forcing the issue by relative gnawing of the same bone…Then  saying they will never forgive…

What the fk has Rodgers done he has to apologise for. & Fans are clueless to

internal goals,scenarios & promises, etween owners & manager in these difficult times… 
oh yes since September I wouldn’t of been upset if he would of departed,but if he is at all being given a 2nd chance and he turns it around,then good luck to him &

to us…fair dues..

 

 

 

 

[Bourbon Fox]

6 hours ago, fuchsntf said:

What the fk has Rodgers done he has to apologise for. 

I'd say that the public calling out of several players, along with the trashing of the squad generally in the media, was a big mistake.

 

He was right - but his comments to the media can only have contributed to the godawful malaise that haunted us on the pitch during some abject performances.

 

He threw the players under the bus multiple times.

[The whole world smiles]

9 hours ago, Aus Fox said:

Plateaued and steadily declined, whilst winning the FA Cup for the first time in our history and having two of the best final league placings in our history, getting in Europe two seasons in a row for the first time in our history.

How many times in his 4 year tenure have we scored 4 goals plus in a game? How many times had we done that before in the premier league era.

We are having a tough season this year, we badly needed investment in the playing squad, that didn’t come. We’ve seen the improvement made by the latest  arrivals. But we have certainly evolved as a club since his arrival.

Success at the top, ultimately is not sustainable without huge investment. Look at any team outside of Liverpool, Man Utd and Arsenal that have broken into the big boys club - Man City and Chelsea have joined them thanks to significant financial backing. Everyone else who has attempted; Newcastle (Keegan years) Leeds, West Ham, Aston Villa, Everton and Spurs; they’ve all tried to break into that top six and have ultimately either broken the bank in doing so, fallen off a cliff the following season or in Spurs case stuck around without any success.

Leicester in the last 8 years are the only club that’s maintained a challenge to the big boys, had success and not been bankrupted along the way.

Since the PL began, (I’m well aware there was football before 1992, but money changed everything.) how many teams have won a trophy? How many have won 2 different trophies? How many have the full set?

In Brendan’s time we’ve achieved something other clubs haven’t managed to do, challenge the top 6, just about balance the books, and win things - throw into the mix a European semifinal and I’d say his 4 years have been better than plateauing and declining.

Great Post, but I wouldn't waste your time. These people are so entrenched in their own position on this that trifling things like facts won't make the blindest bit of difference. 

[volpeazzurro]

3 minutes ago, The whole world smiles said:

Great Post, but I wouldn't waste your time. These people are so entrenched in their own position on this that trifling things like facts won't make the blindest bit of difference. 

Could it just be that both parties share different views? By suggesting that 'these people' are 'entrenched' in their own views, doesn't your belittling of them render you liable to the same accusation?

 

Yes, like many, I'm firmly in the Rodgers out camp but do recognise other people's views albeit I don't necessarily agree with all of them. The counter argument could also be that there's none so blind as those unwilling to see.

[Dahnsouff]

Just now, volpeazzurro said:

Could it just be that both parties share different views? By suggesting that 'these people' are 'entrenched' in their own views, doesn't your belittling of them render you liable to the same accusation?

 

Yes, like many, I'm firmly in the Rodgers out camp but do recognise other people's views albeit I don't necessarily agree with all of them. The counter argument could also be that there's none so blind as those unwilling to see.

It is true, as with most things around discussions, the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle. However people often like simple binary conclusions, so such nuance is often unwelcome

[fuchsntf]

19 minutes ago, Bourbon Fox said:

I'd say that the public calling out of several players, along with the trashing of the squad generally in the media, was a big mistake.

 

He was right - but his comments to the media can only have contributed to the godawful malaise that haunted us on the pitch during some abject performances.

 

He threw the players under the bus multiple times.

General ..all football managers do,when team is failing and the time is right..

Pep,Klopp,Clough,Beckenbauer, MON Etc

I have no idea where this snowflake thought came to pass,just some idiots wanting to use,one off,and collection of statements,out of frustration..& cherry picking 

said statements cos it passed their agendas..

Throwing team & players under the bus…I mean FFs, people have to get real…

oh what have these FTers done with all our players,when off form,or shout they aren’t good enough for the PL, or crucify Thomas,Amartey,Barnes,Maddison,Tielemans..etc,etc,etc.

 

Its in all managers make up,to have a go…he only hinted ,and passed remarks,very low key, and not a continual wave of statements,but plonkers on this forum,keep repeating their crap over These one off smoke of statements..who’s fking desperate & out of control…rather listen to Rodgers odd statements,than the crap issued or thrown on here…over the odd uttering of Rodgers..

fk me Pep,Klopp,Tuchel , Ferguson,Wenger,really laid into their squads,even management..Really…

& FFs sake don’t phsycho analyse the differences,says more about the posters,frustrated breakdowns than the manager…

 

 

[The Doctor]

On 14/02/2023 at 09:24, Sol thewall Bamba said:

That's besides the point, you asked "who is there?" and then I said immediately two good managers who were brought into the league by similar clubs. 

 

Was Rodgers "available" when we sacked Puel btw? 

worth remembering as well it cuts both ways. say we were flying and Spurs decided to axe Conte, then activated Rodgers release clause. Are we saying the club doesn't have a succession plan in place for that? if yes then that's woeful incompetence on the part of the higher ups, if not then they already have a list of who else there is to take over 

[Bourbon Fox]

45 minutes ago, fuchsntf said:

General ..all football managers do,when team is failing and the time is right..

Pep,Klopp,Clough,Beckenbauer, MON Etc

I have no idea where this snowflake thought came to pass,just some idiots wanting to use,one off,and collection of statements,out of frustration..& cherry picking 

said statements cos it passed their agendas..

Throwing team & players under the bus…I mean FFs, people have to get real…

oh what have these FTers done with all our players,when off form,or shout they aren’t good enough for the PL, or crucify Thomas,Amartey,Barnes,Maddison,Tielemans..etc,etc,etc.

 

Its in all managers make up,to have a go…he only hinted ,and passed remarks,very low key, and not a continual wave of statements,but plonkers on this forum,keep repeating their crap over These one off smoke of statements..who’s fking desperate & out of control…rather listen to Rodgers odd statements,than the crap issued or thrown on here…over the odd uttering of Rodgers..

fk me Pep,Klopp,Tuchel , Ferguson,Wenger,really laid into their squads,even management..Really…

& FFs sake don’t phsycho analyse the differences,says more about the posters,frustrated breakdowns than the manager…

 

 

Mate only one of us sounds like they're having a frustrated breakdown.

 

I always like reading your opinions, but keep your insults to yourself.

[sacreblueits442]

50 minutes ago, fuchsntf said:

General ..all football managers do,when team is failing and the time is right

...saying that everybody does it, does not make it right!!!

[HighPeakFox]

1 hour ago, volpeazzurro said:

like many, I'm firmly in the Rodgers out camp 

Really? I had no idea... 

 

[fuchsntf]

22 minutes ago, Bourbon Fox said:

Mate only one of us sounds like they're having a frustrated breakdown.

 

I always like reading your opinions, but keep your insults to yourself.

No because, I will fire back at the abusers, using the same terminology so we have some balanced rhetoric…People want to abuse, & not criticise, it goes too far..

Since last season it’s grew out of proportion and OTT toxic..

So I will show the other side of the street…

It doesn’t make me better, I just throw in opposite perspectives…and me returning abusive serves,no worse than what has been rattled on here..

If people can’t take the heat,don’t open the firedoor..

Edited 18 February 2023 by fuchsntf

[ARM1968]

People are entitled to their opinions, doesn’t have to be that you’re wrong and someone else is right or vice Versa. It’s opinions. 
 

It is staggering that a couple of decent results seems to have changed the narrative so markedly. 
 

For me there are a number of red flags about Brendan and his management of our club. These have not gone away on the back of two great wins.  I remain to be convinced. 
 

However, everyone here wants the same thing, success for LCFC. No need to fall out. 

[so1]

4 hours ago, Bourbon Fox said:

I'd say that the public calling out of several players, along with the trashing of the squad generally in the media, was a big mistake.

 

He was right - but his comments to the media can only have contributed to the godawful malaise that haunted us on the pitch during some abject performances.

 

He threw the players under the bus multiple times.

Lost the players yet here we are. Again and again. Through all kinds of adversity over the past 4 years. Foxestalk man management experts.

Edited 18 February 2023 by so1

[Bourbon Fox]

2 hours ago, so1 said:

Lost the players yet here we are. Again and again. Through all kinds of adversity over the past 4 years. Foxestalk man management experts.

I don't see anything about what you're saying that makes what I said untrue.

 

I'm not one of these mouth-frothing anti-Rodgers armchair psychologist-PL managers - I just thought that he didn't conduct himself in public in the best way for the squad.

 

Any team of people would struggle to respond well to that, and if we hadn't signed 4 first-teamers I think we'd be in real danger.

 

I think he used the media to pressure the club, and I think he made a mistake in trashing individuals. I said that in response to the hypothetical question, 'what would Rodgers have to apologise about?'

 

Being a dick in the media, is my answer.

[Dahnsouff]

14 minutes ago, Bourbon Fox said:

I don't see anything about what you're saying that makes what I said untrue.

 

I'm not one of these mouth-frothing anti-Rodgers armchair psychologist-PL managers - I just thought that he didn't conduct himself in public in the best way for the squad.

 

Any team of people would struggle to respond well to that, and if we hadn't signed 4 first-teamers I think we'd be in real danger.

 

I think he used the media to pressure the club, and I think he made a mistake in trashing individuals. I said that in response to the hypothetical question, 'what would Rodgers have to apologise about?'

 

Being a dick in the media, is my answer.

On the flip side nothing you said is true is it? Just an opinion and yes, it’s the lifeblood of any forum. Yes he is smarmy and unpalatable but he is a good coach and the players seem to like him, or at least none seems to have come out and stated an opposition to this I think?  

[Sharpe's Fox]

"Rodgers should apologise" Jesus H Christ waht wetwipes. God knows how some of you get through your day without bursting into tears.

[Dan]

The idea of Graham Potter as a replacement enamours me less by the week.

[Sharpe's Fox]

Just now, Dan LCFC said:

The idea of Graham Potter as a replacement enamours me less by the week.

This. Imagine going to the City and watching your team score brilliant goals every week home and away to one that couldn't even score on a pre-season tour of Thailand.

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

8 minutes ago, Dan LCFC said:

The idea of Graham Potter as a replacement enamours me less by the week.

Even at Brighton I often thought he looked far more pedestrian than moderate/peak Rodgers 

[Dan]

7 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said:

This. Imagine going to the City and watching your team score brilliant goals every week home and away to one that couldn't even score on a pre-season tour of Thailand.

 

Just now, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

Even at Brighton I often thought he looked far more pedestrian than moderate/peak Rodgers 

His teams just don't score. 3 goals in 9 games is a disgrace at Chelsea even if they don't have top attackers. I'm beyond thinking it's bad luck with him, he just can't coach a side to score goals. I'd be looking elsewhere if Rodgers did leave.

[surrifox]

24 minutes ago, Dan LCFC said:

The idea of Graham Potter as a replacement enamours me less by the week.

There were a lot on this site who were convinced we should replace BR with him . Not much from them at the moment 

[Corky]

26 minutes ago, Dan LCFC said:

The idea of Graham Potter as a replacement enamours me less by the week.

Never got the huge clamour on here for him. Took nearly three years at Brighton to get them scoring and winning consistently. This run at Chelsea isn't new to him. Still got plenty to prove.

[Dan]

There was a point I liked him albeit there were caveats. Well those issues appear to have been even further highlighted at Chelsea to the point it's put me off.

[sacreblueits442]

1 hour ago, Dan LCFC said:

The idea of Graham Potter as a replacement enamours me less by the week.

...Potter's tenure at Chelsea does not square up with what he does!!!

 As a results business he has inherited players that are not his, and they probably struggle as to accept him as a first class manager. He needs time to build but in order to build he will have to compromise to get results, and he needs results whilst trying to do this.

 He will have to have time to build, lay down foundations in order to move his team's forward.

Edited 18 February 2023 by sacreblueits442
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