Muzzy_Larsson Posted 22 February 2022 Posted 22 February 2022 3 hours ago, Cardiff_Fox said: You qualify 2nd in the group. You seem to ignore that. The competition for that second place was much harder than Strachan and Lennon faced. The quality of the second seeds was much strong Bayern Munich and Barcelona were the equilvant of AC Milan and Man United eg the top seeds. I don't ignore it, I just don't see it as a factor in terms of the original debate of Rodgers being hopeless in Europe, it's jsut minute detail and it doesn't change the landscape at all. No celtic fans expected him to make the last 16, that's not the issue, it was the pastings we got and how he approached it and how ultimately results were poorer than some of his predecessors with far less resources. Staying on the original point again, this poor track record in Europe is prevelant at the other clubs he's been at also, namely Liverpool and Leicester.
Muzzy_Larsson Posted 22 February 2022 Posted 22 February 2022 1 hour ago, pmcla26 said: I don't think there will be a dangerous slide though, we seem to be stepping things back up now. We've just got crap defenders and a lot of injuries; not saying you, but I don't get why it gets over complicated by a section of our fans. Yeah not saying there will either tbh that's why I emphasised if it happens.
sacreblueits442 Posted 22 February 2022 Posted 22 February 2022 13 minutes ago, Muzzy_Larsson said: I don't ignore it, I just don't see it as a factor in terms of the original debate of Rodgers being hopeless in Europe, it's jsut minute detail and it doesn't change the landscape at all. No celtic fans expected him to make the last 16, that's not the issue, it was the pastings we got and how he approached it and how ultimately results were poorer than some of his predecessors with far less resources. Staying on the original point again, this poor track record in Europe is prevelant at the other clubs he's been at also, namely Liverpool and Leicester. ...he seems easily outwitted by European managers...he just cannot get to gips with it all!!! His best bet would be to go to Europe and get to see how their managers view the game and apply himself to learning, it is never too late. Perhaps he might begin to bring on a big man when the opposition introduce one upfront and call it in anyway a "tactical move", that ploy, went out with the Ark!! 1
jim5000 Posted 22 February 2022 Posted 22 February 2022 1 hour ago, sacreblueits442 said: ...he seems easily outwitted by European managers...he just cannot get to gips with it all!!! His best bet would be to go to Europe and get to see how their managers view the game and apply himself to learning, it is never too late. Perhaps he might begin to bring on a big man when the opposition introduce one upfront and call it in anyway a "tactical move", that ploy, went out with the Ark!! To be fair, this season he’s been outwitted by most managers, not just European ones! 1
Ely fox Posted 22 February 2022 Posted 22 February 2022 If he stays this summer, presumably he will be given money to buy new players. What a massive risk seeing some of his absolute shockers he has bought already to the club. I’d prefer a new manager to do the rebuild. 4
Popular Post st albans fox Posted 22 February 2022 Popular Post Posted 22 February 2022 8 minutes ago, Ely fox said: If he stays this summer, presumably he will be given money to buy new players. What a massive risk seeing some of his absolute shockers he has bought already to the club. I’d prefer a new manager to do the rebuild. Players being recruited should be down the recruitment dept and their standard methodology the coach should have the option of saying no but he shouldn’t be able to put players forward if they don’t fit into our standard system of recruitment 5
Popular Post Muzzy_Larsson Posted 22 February 2022 Popular Post Posted 22 February 2022 7 minutes ago, Ely fox said: If he stays this summer, presumably he will be given money to buy new players. What a massive risk seeing some of his absolute shockers he has bought already to the club. I’d prefer a new manager to do the rebuild. That's the key point imo. If someone said Rodgers would relinquish all control of transfers and place that reponsibility in the hands of Rudkin and the rest of the recruitment team who have delivered so much in previous years then I could get on board with him staying on as part of what will be the evolution of a new side. I also think in that scenario there is a strong argument that he deserves that given the two fifth placed finishes and the FA Cup win. The huge elephant in the room that makes the above scenario unlikely however is Rodgers ego and how demanding he is. He'll want to exert a huge degree of influence over recruitment and that is not a good thing. There is no way I'd trust him to embark on a successful rebuild if he was given authority on identifyng the players required. Again, looking at his career in management thus far, he's by and large made a pig's ear of recruitment at several clubs. 6
Muzzy_Larsson Posted 22 February 2022 Posted 22 February 2022 2 minutes ago, st albans fox said: Players being recruited should be down the recruitment dept and their standard methodology the coach should have the option of saying no but he shouldn’t be able to put players forward if they don’t fit into our standard system of recruitment I tend to agree and this is how it tends to work at most clubs who operate the transfer market successfully nowadays. The coach identifies the type of player he needs and the recruitment team are then responsible for finding who that player is.
An Sionnach Posted 22 February 2022 Posted 22 February 2022 New managers are so often overrated ask Watford, Everton, Spurs etc. You get a couple of victories and then back to the usual. Even Tuchell is getting that now. In the end its down to the players. Man.Utd have tried several new managers since Ferguson and are still searching. A new manager now might stop any slide into danger but I would not be optimistic about any massive improvement. Next season should be better for us concerning injuries and a top eight finish would be an acceptable result. It takes time to build a new team capable of challenging top six and it may take a couple of years. 1
Muzzy_Larsson Posted 22 February 2022 Posted 22 February 2022 Just now, An Sionnach said: New managers are so often overrated ask Watford, Everton, Spurs etc. You get a couple of victories and then back to the usual. Even Tuchell is getting that now. In the end its down to the players. Man.Utd have tried several new managers since Ferguson and are still searching. A new manager now might stop any slide into danger but I would not be optimistic about any massive improvement. Next season should be better for us concerning injuries and a top eight finish would be an acceptable result. It takes time to build a new team capable of challenging top six and it may take a couple of years. I think Tuchel almost disproves your point a bit tbh. He took a set of players who were vastly underperforming under Lampard and turned them into champions league winners. I do agree however if you have a rotten set of players with a collective honking attitude like at Man Utd then who you have as manager becomes pretty academic. 2 1
An Sionnach Posted 22 February 2022 Posted 22 February 2022 1 minute ago, Muzzy_Larsson said: I think Tuchel almost disproves your point a bit tbh. He took a set of players who were vastly underperforming under Lampard and turned them into champions league winners. I do agree however if you have a rotten set of players with a collective honking attitude like at Man Utd then who you have as manager becomes pretty academic. Man.Utd. have great players but have a poor team ethic and too much ego. If Roy Keane had been their captain he would have soon knocked that out of them. Actually Keane's ruthless captaincy made Ferguson's job much easier. I wish we had that sort of on field leadership. 1 1
Dahnsouff Posted 22 February 2022 Posted 22 February 2022 6 minutes ago, Muzzy_Larsson said: I think Tuchel almost disproves your point a bit tbh. He took a set of players who were vastly underperforming under Lampard and turned them into champions league winners. I do agree however if you have a rotten set of players with a collective honking attitude like at Man Utd then who you have as manager becomes pretty academic. Tend to agree and regarding Man Utd, they are like an ant farm, it’s fascinating.
Popular Post Chrysalis Posted 22 February 2022 Popular Post Posted 22 February 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, Webbo said: Puel never won a trophy for us, or qualified for Europe twice, he didn't have the same injury problems either. You can pretend that doesn't make a difference, but it does. Rodgers didnt take over a aging team in turmoil. He inherited a balanced team. He had much better backing. If he loses Tielemans and stays as manager, it will be similar to the moment puel had to deal with losing Mahrez. I think with our current form he could relegate us without Tielemans. Many of us are arguing the reason brendan has so many injury problems is his decision making and training methods. These injuries are not bad luck. Edited 22 February 2022 by Chrysalis usual typo 12
Chrysalis Posted 22 February 2022 Posted 22 February 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Gazza M said: Very disappointed with the news he has the backing of the club. For me he is not the man to rebuild a side. I can see us limping (literally) to 40 points ish and then the fcucker walking in the summer to another job leaving a bloody mess behind him. Most clubs do this, they will issue a statement backing the manager, but in reality it means very little, it doesnt mean hes immune to losing his job. He was never going to be fired at this stage of the season anyway. Edited 22 February 2022 by Chrysalis
fuchsntf Posted 22 February 2022 Posted 22 February 2022 1 hour ago, Muzzy_Larsson said: I think Tuchel almost disproves your point a bit tbh. He took a set of players who were vastly underperforming under Lampard and turned them into champions league winners. I do agree however if you have a rotten set of players with a collective honking attitude like at Man Utd then who you have as manager becomes pretty academic. That Chelsea squad was underperforming....Any manager at Chelsea with that Quality squad Couldnt turn to any excuses... though Tuchel still tries everyweek....He s done brilliantly, But we cant compare Chelseas Ressources to ours... If was A job Too early ,and a job Too far for Lampard he was too young.. But it Shows their players, were a fking group of lazy bastards who Couldnt Think for themselves, and needed a simple Routine that many Top European managers usually bring with them... 2
foxinsocks Posted 22 February 2022 Posted 22 February 2022 54 minutes ago, Chrysalis said: Most clubs do this, they will issue a statement backing the manager, but in reality it means very little, it doesnt mean hes immune to losing his job. He was never going to be fired at this stage of the season anyway. Rodgers is not the guy to rebuild the squad (- I have ranted about his lack of leadership before). But in reality Top has to decide who to go for... it would be crazy to fire Rodgers without having a new guy ready. I hope he is lining someone up right now. 2
sacreblueits442 Posted 22 February 2022 Posted 22 February 2022 1 hour ago, Chrysalis said: Most clubs do this, they will issue a statement backing the manager, but in reality it means very little, it doesnt mean hes immune to losing his job. He was never going to be fired at this stage of the season anyway. ....it works both ways, it shows outwardly that the club is backing him and also allows the club the get out, to say enough is enough after any further series of poor results!!! As we have seen before the parting of ways follows shortly after the clubs' statement. 1
whoareyaaa Posted 22 February 2022 Posted 22 February 2022 2 hours ago, An Sionnach said: Man.Utd. have great players but have a poor team ethic and too much ego. If Roy Keane had been their captain he would have soon knocked that out of them. Actually Keane's ruthless captaincy made Ferguson's job much easier. I wish we had that sort of on field leadership. I don't know why they haven't got him in on the management coaching team or even manager you wouldn't see another bad performance from them I bet
Popular Post Lambert09 Posted 22 February 2022 Popular Post Posted 22 February 2022 (edited) I wish I could get behind a rodgers rebuild, because his achievements would ordinarily warrant it. But the issues are much of his own making: The inability to alter failing methods (attacking and defending set pieces) If you look at all of our lack of success scoring corners last season, youll soon realise we were simply lucky not to be conceding more from them. That luck soon ran out. The mismanagement of squad health and fitness. 3 season's in a row weve had ridiculously consistent long term injuries in the squad, it is simply negligent at this point. The losers mentality. Not just the fact we seem to implode when the pressure gets going but more to do with the fact he does nothing to help ease that pressure. Say what you want about Pearson but the actions (even if completely unprofessional) in the press conferences were on the surface him losing it, but deep down I think it was all about defending his players and keeping them from unnecessary abuse. Rodgers doesnt do this at all. He will avoid any self criticism and prefers it aimed at his players, he even eggs them on. The club losers mentality. Rodgers makes comments like the pundits make. Little old Leicester punching their weight. Not in the Claudio sense, trying to take pressure off but actually making the club look small time. We should be grateful for 5th.... not shooting for the stars. We're the club that made football dream again yet we are supposed to just accept mediocrity because we arent state funded? What club builds success on that? None! Take an ambitious view point, talk about how lucky players would be to train in our facilities with our great pro's.... enough is enough. Poor history in recruitment. Say no more, not an area of strength for him. He sounds endearing with his "lets find a troubled diamond in the rough" but the reality is you will more likely end up with a Ballotelli than a Mahrez Those 5 factors are unlookable in my eyes and exactly why I cant get behind him. All we ask for is commitment, loyalty ( to the club and players), ambition and simply trying your best. Rodgers ticks one of those boxes imo and im tired of his excuses. Edited 22 February 2022 by Lambert09 7 3
Chrysalis Posted 22 February 2022 Posted 22 February 2022 1 hour ago, foxinsocks said: Rodgers is not the guy to rebuild the squad (- I have ranted about his lack of leadership before). But in reality Top has to decide who to go for... it would be crazy to fire Rodgers without having a new guy ready. I hope he is lining someone up right now. I agree, always best to have someone ready to go, we dont want a panic appointment. 1
Fox92 Posted 22 February 2022 Author Posted 22 February 2022 3 hours ago, Ely fox said: If he stays this summer, presumably he will be given money to buy new players. What a massive risk seeing some of his absolute shockers he has bought already to the club. I’d prefer a new manager to do the rebuild. Fofona, Justin, Castagne were all brought in under Rodgers too. All managers sign good players and bad players. 2
daddylonglegs Posted 22 February 2022 Posted 22 February 2022 6 hours ago, Fox92 said: I'm fed up of people bringing Shakespeare up. It's a joke. Rodgers has us bottom of the "form table", a table that Shakespeare constantly had us bottom of. When Rodgers has us in the bottom three, like Shakespeare did, then I'll concede. I can realise how bad we are currently. But we're still better than we were under Shakespeare. Rodgers is paid £10m a year.
Reg Vardy Posted 22 February 2022 Posted 22 February 2022 I have never understood how he is responsible for our long injury list…..the actual injuries are nothing to do with Brendan, whatsoever, the date the players return to action, is presumably set by the highly qualified medical staff,responsible for giving the Manager professional advice, and any player who isn’t ready to return, but does, must be crazy…Justin, Fofana,Perreira, Barnes, all suffered ligament/fractures, Vardy, Evans hamstrings, (both 34), and Castagne long term muscle injury. Am I missing s 4
st albans fox Posted 22 February 2022 Posted 22 February 2022 Just now, Reg Vardy said: Something!! Apparently the injury list is down to rodgers and his training techniques/selection policy evidently this injury issue has occurred at every club he’s managed at that’s the narrative anyway ….l
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