Brendan Rodgers

[sacreblueits442]

10 minutes ago, Muzzy_Larsson said:

Yes we did. Do you remember the Hearts game for example right after we left when we had basically no midfield left and we had to throw an untried, 18 year old Ewan Henderson in to midfield to start. That very season we were absolutely riddled with injuries from the start of the season until when he left so well over half a season (https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1082370/Celtic-news-Brendan-Rodgers-Scottish-Premiership-Tom-Rogic-James-Forrest), so much so that I'm pretty sure we were languishing around 3rd or 4th in the table come October. Or going to ibrox with no fit strikers and having to play Mikey Johnstone up front (more than once), or having to negotiate the champions league qualifiers with Eoghan O'Connell and Nir Bitton at centre back.

 

We have had injury crisises under various managers like you say but look how Ange manages the squad now he has that luxury (since the January window), he's being clever and rotating players in the right games. The key thing you leave out is Rodgers inability to rotate properly when he was here, he ran players into the ground. Look at Tierney and the injury problems he's having now and latterly at his time at us, all most likely the result of running him into the ground and never resting him in his formative years when he was still developing physically. The stats also say Rodgers didn't rotate enough as I'm pretty sure Tierney, McGregor and Forrest all played the most minutes in world football three years on the trot or something like that. There were plenty of games, particularly at home, against the likes of St Mirren, Ross County, Hamilton, etc where Rodgers could have rested the guys I mentioned and never did.

....Rodgers has said he likes a small squad, that is not a comment from someone looking to embrace rotation!!!

If he could, he would play the same players every game, the only thing that stops him, are players breaking down.

[Kilworthfox]

2 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

Seriously? He's stated that it is unthinkable for a manager to have anything to do with players getting injured. That's the long and short of it. All the other stuff that might hold some merit on balance is undone by that statement.

 

It's like me raising the various points I've raised about suspect handling of players carrying injuries and still playing them or not handling players come back from long term injuries and then saying all of these injuries were caused directly from the manager and only the manager.

 

Meet somewhere in the middle and that's about the truth. If people genuinely believe it's impossible for a managers methods to cause injury problems then I give up, it's worse than some of the takes I've heard coming from our current government on stuff.

In my opinion, there is a Rodgers cult perpetuated by the media also, that a proportion of our fanbase is caught up in.

 

I read the spectrum of posts that are pro, anti and undecided on the manager and his actions. I find irrespective of results, or actions, that there are some who are unable to be fair minded. When I see this, I just let it go and on to the next post... 

 

I am overall unimpressed, but I understand this season has had its challenges. That is part of the process in deciding if we are where we should be overall in many different metrics, that create an overall picture of the managers role each season.

 

That said, to suggest that his performance is liner up or downward would be incorrect in my opinion. At present we are on a slight upward trajectory, which has coincided with some players returning from injury. Seems that for some, this is the only metric worthy of judging the results by, which I find odd. 

 

Vs Palace, I was very impressed with the pressing. However does this mean I can be placated, by the glimpse of progress? well possibly, but there are other areas which need to be improved. So until we are achieving and progressing like I believe the quality of the side justifies, then I remain unimpressed. 

 

There is a big job on this summer, to recruit new first team players in key areas, pushing the team ultimately further forward in the league. That should be the main focus, the football staff, at the club should be focusing on now.

Edited 13 April 2022 by Kilworthfox

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

2 hours ago, Tielemans63 said:

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[MarriedaLeicesterGirl]

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[Nick]

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[filbertway]

23 minutes ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

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[Webbo]

The idea that all other teams only play players when they 100% fit is nonsense. The majority will be carrying a bit of a knock, lots of them have injections before matches. This has been normal practice for as long as I can remember. It's no secret, read player's autobiographies. 

[filbertway]

3 minutes ago, Webbo said:

The idea that all other teams only play players when they 100% fit is nonsense. The majority will be carrying a bit of a knock, lots of them have injections before matches. This has been normal practice for as long as I can remember. It's no secret, read player's autobiographies. 

I don't think anyone has said that, although I'm interested to see the quote.

 

If you bring a player back from a long lay off then play them 3 times in 6/7 days it's on you if they get injured. It's quite simple. It doesn't matter who does it, they're wrong and they're putting short term thinking ahead of the long term. If a player had a muscle injury, you take them off. Even if means going down to 10 men. Again, it's short term thinking that will often have longer term consequences. These are just 2 examples off the top of my head

[sacreblueits442]

3 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

I have said it a number of times, it's the way we handled Ricardo, Evans and Vardy in December that really alarmed me. I can go in to it again but others must be bored to tears by it now, likewise what he did with James Justin after a year out, 1 sub appearance and then started him 3 times in a week and he got injured again. 

 

Anyway, I hope I'm proven wrong and the relentless injuries we have had are proven to have been a freak year and we keep our squad largely fit. Not playing in Europe next season which is a possibility will help with that anyway.

....would it now be difficult to compare like for like when we have introduced a new variable to the equation!!!

Either the injury situation is cleared up, and we can put it down as either, a freak year or as a result of new training policies, or it it continues unabated do we continue to say it is bad luck.

  We do look this season like a very lean outfit, perhaps we are just not as robust as we should be.

[Webbo]

12 minutes ago, filbertway said:

I don't think anyone has said that, although I'm interested to see the quote.

 

If you bring a player back from a long lay off then play them 3 times in 6/7 days it's on you if they get injured. It's quite simple. It doesn't matter who does it, they're wrong and they're putting short term thinking ahead of the long term. If a player had a muscle injury, you take them off. Even if means going down to 10 men. Again, it's short term thinking that will often have longer term consequences. These are just 2 examples off the top of my head

I'd be interested to see a quote from  somebody who'd know that's says Rennie got sacked because he wouldn't rush players back from injury, or that Brendan stopped the club from hiring a doctor or the reason Preat never got a game is because Brendan hates him or lots of other fantasies that have become fact on here.

 

It's plausible that Brendan's training methods are totally different to every other manager and they're to blame for all our injuries but before I condemn him I want more proof than something dreamt up by someone with an axe to grind.

[Tielemans63]

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[Guest SO1]

1 hour ago, Webbo said:

I'd be interested to see a quote from  somebody who'd know that's says Rennie got sacked because he wouldn't rush players back from injury, or that Brendan stopped the club from hiring a doctor or the reason Preat never got a game is because Brendan hates him or lots of other fantasies that have become fact on here.

 

It's plausible that Brendan's training methods are totally different to every other manager and they're to blame for all our injuries but before I condemn him I want more proof than something dreamt up by someone with an axe to grind.

That's common sense. We don't do that here. This place is about conspiracies, agendas and cults. 

[volpeazzurro]

1 hour ago, Webbo said:

I'd be interested to see a quote from  somebody who'd know that's says Rennie got sacked because he wouldn't rush players back from injury, or that Brendan stopped the club from hiring a doctor or the reason Preat never got a game is because Brendan hates him or lots of other fantasies that have become fact on here.

 

It's plausible that Brendan's training methods are totally different to every other manager and they're to blame for all our injuries but before I condemn him I want more proof than something dreamt up by someone with an axe to grind.

That may well be very fair and understandable regarding certain issues but it doesn't address the points that Webbo was making. Those points were arguably both common sense yet Rodgers ploughed ahead regardless and arguably recklessly with no real concern for the consequences and for the health of his players short and long term. Add to those two also, the sight of Vardy hobbling about in his last game before his subsequent long lay-off. Should have been hauled off to prevent further damage. 

 

All poor management for me. 

[Long Eaton Fox]

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[BKLFox]

What injuries to which players are we putting soley down to Rodgers training methods?

 

I honestly think due to the amount of long term / surgery requirements it skews the mind into believing that we have players fallen foul to standard footballing injuries every week but the reality is we have no more than most teams.

Take ACL's, leg breaks, eye socket, surgery to clean up of long standing issues such as meniscus; hip; shoulder; heel; groin; accounts for what about 11-12 players before we even discuss covid & general illness, these are not short term training method issues, these are long term body wear & tear issues & unfortunate accidents.

Of course returning from these surgery required injuries will always be problematic & an issue could raise its head on the 1st run, tackle, twist within the 1st game game or further down the line in game 2, 3 or 4 etc & again is the mind skewed due to breakdowns of body recovery leading to another spell out short/long term.
As these are multi million dollar assets i don't believe they are knowingly being sent out early but maybe the jury is still out on whether a player should play 3 or 4 games on the bounce (happened once/twice??) but is it something Rodgers does off his own back without player/medical team consultation, again i find it hard to believe but it would seem there are a few on here that are privy to those conversations?

 

So those aside & when you read into all those injuries above its a lot of players & a lot of missed games but now when i try & think of your generic footballing injuries i can think of maybe 5 or 6 players (& maybe 2 of those are recurring which have led to surgery) having your run of the mill hamstring, calf & muscle / impact injuries which if i go into EPL Injury table virtually every club has that number of players out right now, so specifically which players & which injuries that didn't require or be a possible byproduct of surgery?

 

If i just list all the players that have had surgery once or twice in the past 1.5 year: Justin, Evans, Fofana, Vardy, Pereira, Castagne, Ward, Ndidi, Barnes, Maddison, Bertrand, Mendy(?) thats a lot of players missing a lot of games & not necessarily down to your run of the mill 1 off injuries

Edited 13 April 2022 by BKLFox

[MarriedaLeicesterGirl]

3 hours ago, sacreblueits442 said:

....Rodgers has said he likes a small squad, that is not a comment from someone looking to embrace rotation!!!

If he could, he would play the same players every game, the only thing that stops him, are players breaking down.

Yeah, but tbf, he said when we weren't in Europe...also when he said that he added that the reason was so everyone in the squad felt they had a chance to make the starting 11. 

 

The number he gave with that quote was, if I remember correctly, 23-24.

 

Right now, we have a squad of 27, of whom four are out for the season. That leaves 23, one of whom isn't available for Europe. Of the 22 left, I'd say two have a right to think they are nowhere near the starting 11 -- barring an asteroid strike -- Perez (who was a strangely guaranteed starter last season) and Vesty (who was a panic buy during an injury crisis). Two others know they are unlikely to start: Hamza (who just hasn't been able to crack into the starting lineup) and Soumare (who hasn't bedded in yet.)

 

So right now, we have 18 (19 in the premier league) players who have a good chance to regularly start for the rest of the season. That rises to 20 in the Premier League, if you include Soumare who could see a run of games if we have nothing to play for.

 

So to bring a long and convoluted post to an end: To get a "small squad" of 23-24 players, it looks like we are going to have start with around 32 at the beginning of next season!

[Ric Flair]

1 hour ago, MarriedaLeicesterGirl said:

Yeah, but tbf, he said when we weren't in Europe...also when he said that he added that the reason was so everyone in the squad felt they had a chance to make the starting 11. 

 

The number he gave with that quote was, if I remember correctly, 23-24.

 

Right now, we have a squad of 27, of whom four are out for the season. That leaves 23, one of whom isn't available for Europe. Of the 22 left, I'd say two have a right to think they are nowhere near the starting 11 -- barring an asteroid strike -- Perez (who was a strangely guaranteed starter last season) and Vesty (who was a panic buy during an injury crisis). Two others know they are unlikely to start: Hamza (who just hasn't been able to crack into the starting lineup) and Soumare (who hasn't bedded in yet.)

 

So right now, we have 18 (19 in the premier league) players who have a good chance to regularly start for the rest of the season. That rises to 20 in the Premier League, if you include Soumare who could see a run of games if we have nothing to play for.

 

So to bring a long and convoluted post to an end: To get a "small squad" of 23-24 players, it looks like we are going to have start with around 32 at the beginning of next season!

Which means we need to get rid of about 10 players given he wants 5 in and with Europe not guaranteed we need to massively trim the squad further. It doesn't compute.

[Guest Judd92]

Thank god we didn't sack him when times got tough and then hire Lampard as his replacement! LCFC Twitter was all for Lampard!

[MarriedaLeicesterGirl]

27 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Which means we need to get rid of about 10 players given he wants 5 in and with Europe not guaranteed we need to massively trim the squad further. It doesn't compute.

Who among the outfield players need to go because they truly aren't in the manager's plans? Hamza, Perez, Bertrand, Vesty. Who probably want to go? Youri, Cags. Who are iffy? Mendy and I would argue Nacho.

 

And of course there are rumours about Maddison and Ndidi (and even Kasper); and Amartey has a year left and I am sure there could be a move.

 

I mean, trimming can be done. (I remember how ruthless Ranieri was in 2016, when he told players to find a club, and then sent them on tour with the U23s.)

 

[sacreblueits442]

36 minutes ago, Judd92 said:

Thank god we didn't sack him when times got tough and then hire Lampard as his replacement! LCFC Twitter was all for Lampard!

.....it will be a learning curve for Lampard and Gerrard, but either of them were never people, that I ever wanted here!!!

[Ric Flair]

11 minutes ago, MarriedaLeicesterGirl said:

Who among the outfield players need to go because they truly aren't in the manager's plans? Hamza, Perez, Bertrand, Vesty. Who probably want to go? Youri, Cags. Who are iffy? Mendy and I would argue Nacho.

 

And of course there are rumours about Maddison and Ndidi (and even Kasper); and Amartey has a year left and I am sure there could be a move.

 

I mean, trimming can be done. (I remember how ruthless Ranieri was in 2016, when he told players to find a club, and then sent them on tour with the U23s.)

 

The issue is finding takers for Perez, Vestergaard, Bertrand, Hamza. We might be able to get loans for them, which given Perez and Hamza only have a year left on their deal might as well be a free transfer. I fear we will struggle to get a decent fee for Praet either with the wages he's on so it'll be another loan with an option to buy at best, I'd rather we kept him.

 

I think we might have to sell someone we don't want to to help cushion the blow of not getting the fees we want for our fringe players but pay them off. 

[Guest Judd92]

7 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

.....it will be a learning curve for Lampard and Gerrard, but either of them were never people, that I ever wanted here!!!

Agreed! Maybe one day in the future if they prove their managerial credentials (I'm talking more about Lampard here as Gerrard has won the SPL, however seems to be finding the Premier League a different kettle of fish!) but not right now! I fear that had we sacked BR and then hired Lampard that we would be staring into a relegation battle, but it's all hypothetical of course!
Let's hope for a strong end to the season and then some good transfer business in the summer to allow us to kick on next season. 

[dynamark]

Praet is still our player ?

Give the guy another shot at it for me

[sacreblueits442]

13 minutes ago, Judd92 said:

Agreed! Maybe one day in the future if they prove their managerial credentials (I'm talking more about Lampard here as Gerrard has won the SPL, however seems to be finding the Premier League a different kettle of fish!) but not right now! I fear that had we sacked BR and then hired Lampard that we would be staring into a relegation battle, but it's all hypothetical of course!
Let's hope for a strong end to the season and then some good transfer business in the summer to allow us to kick on next season. 

.....really could not have seen the club go for Lampard....too savvy for that to have happened!!!