Call me crazy....I don't care

[CosbehFox]

49 minutes ago, filbertway said:

Were on average to pick up about 51 points which will see us 14-10

 

Weve won 2 games to be in the QF. One was brighton reserves and the other was an average championship team.

 

Were in a group with Legia Warsaw and Spartak Moscow. Qualification should be all but confirmed, never mind "in our hands"

Who did we field ? And how many Brighton first teasers were on by the end. Plenty of sticks to beat the current form with but that's not one of them. 

Edited 8 November 2021 by Cardiff_Fox

[tickler28]

I don't know how others feel but I'd suggest that there are several teams outside the top 6 that have achieved naff all that have squads and individuals as good if not better than ours....Wolves spring to mind as do Palace this season. Both these teams are as good as us and funnily enough are on the same points bar 1 (Wolves).

 

If anyone thinks we have better players/squads than these teams feel free to argue the point.

[Deeg67]

32 minutes ago, Hoopla10 said:

This is what I hate. It's the sort of privileged mentality you expect from the so called big clubs. They're football teams with agency that want to beat us. We've got Liverpool in the league cup, it's in our hands to win that game. But by this logic it's not, Liverpool are all but confirmed winners, we might as well not bother.  

Oh, please - entitled has nothing to do with it.  It's simply a reflection of the fact that in terms of talent in the squad, there's no way those teams should ever take a point off us.  Look at how PL clubs - apart from us - have mostly fared in European competition (and Europa Specifically) the last couple of years.  Not finishing well clear of those two sides is a massive underachievement and there's nothing entitled about pointing that out.

[Babylon]

47 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

West Ham arguably the same size club, are better than us and have been for 12 months. All well and good regrouping, but we will likely lose Tielemans in the window, Vardy is another year older and so is Evans. I think a club of our resource shoud be in and around the top 6 at all times.

 

It's not we should ''win every game'' at all, be we can be consistently poor against clubs we should bury, on paper much better etc etc. Is it a mentality thing? I don't know. 

 

Anyone who wants to settle for less likely settles for less in their own lives, or standards etc. If you let that mentality creep in you'll be a Burnley/Brighton/Villa/Palace before you know it. 

We are two points off 6th, our points total the last calendar year sees us 7th, and there are probably 7/8/ clubs, arguably more with more resources than us.

[CosbehFox]

 

13 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

All the West Ham love in.

 

As we have found out to our cost two seasons running, it doesn't matter where you are until after game 38.

 

They will have the same problem keeping hold of Rice as we are with Youri.

August it was Brentford. September it was Brighton. October it's West Ham. 

 

For some bizarre reason a section of Leicester fans seem to fanboy over every team what have a decent spell of form. Also seem to have some bizarre craving for Leicester to be under constant media attention. 

[phoneticerror]

1 hour ago, tickler28 said:

If we finish where we are in the league right now this season and don't go anywhere in the cups....yes it would be disappointing but c'est la vie.....we can just reset, regroup, add players to the squad we need and get rid of those who don't want to be here or are deadwood....it wouldn't be the end of the world.....its football. Not every season can you expect to finish top 6 and win a trophy....loads of teams would be desperate to have achieved what we have in the past 7 years. We've been spoilt and one duff season doesn't mean we can't improve next year with players back and have a similar season to 2019/20 or 2020/21.

 

I know that we could still turn this season round but if we don't let's not all act like spoilt brats about it....fair play to West Ham at giving it a go but don't forget they had season upon season of fighting relegation battles and a toxic atmosphere at the London Stadium.

 

Sit back and enjoy the ride but be grateful for what we've achieved in recent years and could go on to achieve again....don't be bitter and come across entitled like the big 6 supporters.

 

LTID

I’d understand if we finished where we are. But I can’t say I wouldn’t care.

[filbertway]

Just now, Cardiff_Fox said:

Who did we field ? And how many Brighton first teasers were on by the end. Plenty of sticks to beat the current form with but that's not one of them. 

Its not beating them, its me trying to counter someone who was making it out as an impressive achievement. Either team could have won that game in the end. It was a coin flip

[tickler28]

Just now, phoneticerror said:

I’d understand if we finished where we are. But I can’t say I wouldn’t care.

Never said I wouldn't care....just saying I'm man enough to accept if other teams are better than us. We have not earned enough yet to have a divine right to be top 6.....hard work...lots of it with a dose of quality makes all the difference.

[phoneticerror]

Just now, tickler28 said:

Never said I wouldn't care....just saying I'm man enough to accept if other teams are better than us. We have not earned enough yet to have a divine right to be top 6.....hard work...lots of it with a dose of quality makes all the difference.

Yes you did, it’s in your thread title 😂😂☝️

[LVFox]

If we had beaten Brighton away (when we had some questionable refereeing decisions go against us) we would be 6th.

If we had beaten either Burnley at home, or Palace away, which we could have on another day, we would be level points with 6th.
Fine margins.

 

We haven't been at our best, and performances aren't that good right now but you don't have a great season every year, and the last 2 have been great.

 

If you'd have said in 3 full seasons of Brendan we would be 5th, 5th (& FA Cup), and then 10th....I think the vast majority would have taken that.

 

 

[tickler28]

Just now, phoneticerror said:

Yes you did, it’s in your thread title 😂😂☝️

No I said I don't care if people call me crazy for accepting where we might finish....of course I care but my point is if this our level this season then this is our level....nothing gives us a divine right to be any higher. Until I see us playing better and deserving of a higher position I will stand by this. The team have not shown me this season that they deserve any more.

[phoneticerror]

Just now, tickler28 said:

No I said I don't care if people call me crazy for accepting where we might finish....of course I care but my point is if this our level this season then this is our level....nothing gives us a divine right to be any higher. Until I see us playing better and deserving of a higher position I will stand by this. The team have not shown me this season that they deserve any more.

Ah, fair play mate. Read to me like you were saying you don’t care about where the clubs finishes.

[tickler28]

Just now, phoneticerror said:

Ah, fair play mate. Read to me like you were saying you don’t care about where the clubs finishes.

Believe me I always care....to much if you ask my wife 😆

[CosbehFox]

3 minutes ago, filbertway said:

Its not beating them, its me trying to counter someone who was making it out as an impressive achievement. Either team could have won that game in the end. It was a coin flip

The original post didn't try to make it out as impressive. I am just totally bored of people completely exaggerating the situation at the moment. Personally given there are six clubs in the division substantially bigger than the rest - if we pull off top six any season, that's a mighty achievement and that's still well within our grasp. 

 

Is it disappointing? Yes. Is it average? Yes. Is it poor? No. League form is average. Cup form is fine. European form is crap. Confidence is low and there's a human reaction side to what's going on as well. 

 

We seem to have a section of fans who are absolutely determined to call everything shit simply to prove their opinion right. Quite reminiscent of the 'fake news' trend which is occurring elsewhere in the world. 

 

I think it's time for a break from here cos it's doing my fckin head in. 

[Hoopla10]

26 minutes ago, filbertway said:

That game will be in our hands as Klopp plays his reserves and youths in the league cup.

 

Context is important.

 

Would you have been happy if we had just been mid table in league one when we went down despite having clearly the best squad?

 

 

It happens at every level. Better teams should win more games and outplay weaker teams most of the time. 

 

You expect there to be the odd off performance of course, the better team doesn't always win, but they generally do a lot more often than they don't.

Do we know that? Liverpool have practically got their CL qualifiers wrapped up so they might feel winning that cup game is worth it. They're presumably favorites to win it now ManC are out. 

 

I know but like you say context is important. We're in the PL not L1. This is a competitive league where Palace can beat ManC on the day. Where it's all very marginal. And we need to be at it to expect to be competing in the top 6 (even though we're only 3-5 points away) and for lots of different reasons we're not. While I'm critical of BR (like putting Armartey on at 70mins in a game we need to win or finding a solution and sticking to it to our final third issues) I find it hard to be outright hardlined about it because we're not a stable team at the moment (and probably wont be for most of the season). 

[Webbo]

Kante left us when we were a champions league team and went to a non CL team. Where we finish in the league will have little impact on whether Youri stays. 

[Hoopla10]

12 minutes ago, Deeg67 said:

Oh, please - entitled has nothing to do with it.  It's simply a reflection of the fact that in terms of talent in the squad, there's no way those teams should ever take a point off us.  Look at how PL clubs - apart from us - have mostly fared in European competition (and Europa Specifically) the last couple of years.  Not finishing well clear of those two sides is a massive underachievement and there's nothing entitled about pointing that out.

So no non-PL team should ever beat a PL team? None of the big international sides should get beaten by a team "bellow" them? It never happens. Everything goes to the form book. I have no idea how Leicester won the PL.  

[Nalis]

The thing for me is a missed opportunity if we tamely go out of Europe. Its not unfeasible to think we might not get back into Europe for 15+ years.

[tickler28]

6 minutes ago, Nalis said:

The thing for me is a missed opportunity if we tamely go out of Europe. Its not unfeasible to think we might not get back into Europe for 15+ years.

We could finish 3rd and still be in Europe....In the inaugural Conference League with Spuds

Edited 8 November 2021 by tickler28

[Nalis]

3 minutes ago, tickler28 said:

We could finish 3rd and still be in Europe....In the inaugural Conference League with Spuds

That is true, the group is quite tight so no guarantee of that.

 

On a positive note I do agree with a lot of your OP.

[Finnegan]

22 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

 

August it was Brentford. September it was Brighton. October it's West Ham. 

 

For some bizarre reason a section of Leicester fans seem to fanboy over every team what have a decent spell of form. Also seem to have some bizarre craving for Leicester to be under constant media attention. 

 

Tbf its not just Leicester fans it's all football fans that get spoon-fed their opinions from Sky Sports and the Sun. 

 

There's always a flavour of the month club from outside the established top four or so that are getting hype articles written about them in the press. 

 

Remember the start of the season when Demarai Gray and Andros Townsend were inspired business, Everton were looking like top four contenders and both foxestalk and the nation's click bait press were asking if Leicester had made a mistake letting Dimi go? 

 

Now he's predictably gone back to being garbage and everyone's forgotten about it. 

 

Brighton weren't just being fanboyed by foxestalk, the nations press were fawning over Potter as some sort of genius. But they've not won a Premier League game since they beat us and now nobody gives a shit again and David Moyes is the second coming of Claudio Ranieri. 

 

There's always a story. Last year was no different, pretty sure at different times at the start of the season Everton, Leicester, Southampton and West Ham were all talked up as potential champions until things settled down. 

 

You always get these drastic over reactions to shifts in the league table early doors every season, regardless of how obviously puerile it is given the impact of three points at this stage. 

[Dan]

I'm trying to treat it like a bit of a Puel year, which was pretty insipid stuff but never actually particularly damaging either, but I do think when you possess players who know they can play at the top then you're just shooting yourselves in the foot a bit trying to consolidate. We had the right balance when Rodgers took over. If we consolidate and 'accept' midtable this season then Tielemans is definitely off (we know this anyway but we'll lose the power at our end of the bargain) and the likes of Fofana will get cold feet as well. I don't think it would be as simple as consolidate this season then attack it all again next year unless we'd definitely recruited a couple of genuine top players, as we do have that at the minute.

 

It isn't a disaster but consolidating and being happy with this will make it trickier for us.

[Dahnsouff]

35 minutes ago, Deeg67 said:

Oh, please - entitled has nothing to do with it.  It's simply a reflection of the fact that in terms of talent in the squad, there's no way those teams should ever take a point off us.  Look at how PL clubs - apart from us - have mostly fared in European competition (and Europa Specifically) the last couple of years.  Not finishing well clear of those two sides is a massive underachievement and there's nothing entitled about pointing that out.

YOUR PERCEPTION of the squad. 

[Hoopla10]

8 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

Tbf its not just Leicester fans it's all football fans that get spoon-fed their opinions from Sky Sports and the Sun. 

 

There's always a flavour of the month club from outside the established top four or so that are getting hype articles written about them in the press. 

 

Remember the start of the season when Demarai Gray and Andros Townsend were inspired business, Everton were looking like top four contenders and both foxestalk and the nation's click bait press were asking if Leicester had made a mistake letting Dimi go? 

 

Now he's predictably gone back to being garbage and everyone's forgotten about it. 

 

Brighton weren't just being fanboyed by foxestalk, the nations press were fawning over Potter as some sort of genius. But they've not won a Premier League game since they beat us and now nobody gives a shit again and David Moyes is the second coming of Claudio Ranieri. 

 

There's always a story. Last year was no different, pretty sure at different times at the start of the season Everton, Leicester, Southampton and West Ham were all talked up as potential champions until things settled down. 

 

You always get these drastic over reactions to shifts in the league table early doors every season, regardless of how obviously puerile it is given the impact of three points at this stage. 

Isn't this just the nature of following football? To keep a narrative running that engages us. Otherwise we might as well just ignore it all and wait for the final table results. I wonder how that would effect watching us play? We'd have no idea where our opponent are in the table or how they're doing. Knowing some team is on winning streak, that their manager has been getting them to play well with good tactics makes that game more interesting/important? 

 

Obviously media channels like Sky and MOTD just take it to some dumb level that at times doesn't resemble reality that's more irritating than anything else. It's when that narrative is obviously based on nothing or ignorance when you question if they're just fantasists.  

[ealingfox]

I think for some we are seeing the grief process in action. Our chance to break the top 4 is gone, Rodgers has blown 2 of the 4 biggest opportunities the club has had in the modern era. Fortunately for us he took 1 of the other 2 (the 4th being 2016 of course).

 

It will take some adjustment to being off that pace and back amongst the rank and file. It was an impressive feat that we operated at the same level last year but you fear there's no coming back this time. Not that this is a crime because finishing 5th is still exceeding our benchmark, despite the horrific bottlejobs.

 

Finishing below 10th, were we to do so, is underperformance and you have to accept that, but unless it's also below 17th we have to suck it up really.