Call me crazy....I don't care

[whoareyaaa]

It is what it is we can't really do much about it enjoy the games for what they are and hope we win.

[Deeg67]

38 minutes ago, Hoopla10 said:

So no non-PL team should ever beat a PL team? None of the big international sides should get beaten by a team "bellow" them? It never happens. Everything goes to the form book. I have no idea how Leicester won the PL.  

Yes, that's exactly what I said... 

[Finnegan]

12 minutes ago, Hoopla10 said:

Isn't this just the nature of following football? To keep a narrative running that engages us.

 

Eh. Its different strokes for different folks really. 

 

I personally don't enjoy the dramatisation of football, I like my analysis to just be stats driven, discussions on tactics, observations about how teams are playing just in simple context to each other, not with a "narrative" or a "story", just looking at the simple football of it. The sport itself. 

 

Other people find that dry, a bit dull and maybe less accessible. Certainly dramatising it sells more, so I guess I'm in the minority. 

 

I'd happily read an article about how West Ham are playing at the moment, maybe some of the unseen nuances of their game, how it's consistent with Moyes time at other clubs or how it differs from what other teams are doing. 

 

I'd find that interesting without it being framed as "HOW WEST HAM MIGHT WIN THE LEAGUE!!" to draw me in. 

 

Edited 8 November 2021 by Finnegan

[Hoopla10]

50 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

I personally don't enjoy the dramatisation of football

Fair enough. Do you think that football would be as successful or "big" without that dramatisation?

 

I tend to agree with you and it's one of the reasons I'm more interested in some of the newer independent journalism around football that offer greater insight into how a club is operating. Too often I've seen LCFC being horrifically represented by the media to not recognize that it's probably a pattern across all clubs. 

[Matt]

1 hour ago, whoareyaaa said:

It is what it is we can't really do much about it enjoy the games for what they are and hope we win.

And there lies the issue.

 

Other than that, can’t fault your post.

[mozartfox]

2 hours ago, tickler28 said:

Anyone holding on to any type of hope that Youri signs a new contract when we're as close to top 4 as we are relegation needs to give their heads a serious wobble. In my mind he's gone already. We have to just try and get as much for him as we possibly can. If we lose players like Chilwell, Maguire and Drinkwater to bigger clubs we got no chance holding on to Youri. Just reality.

For 80m I am personally delighted Maguire moved on.  Chilwell and Drinkwater are not in the same class as Youri and were replaced easily.  To replace Youri is a massive ask and as you say is unlikely to happen (same as with Kante and Airport Boy).

[MPH]

3 hours ago, tickler28 said:

If we finish where we are in the league right now this season and don't go anywhere in the cups....yes it would be disappointing but c'est la vie.....we can just reset, regroup, add players to the squad we need and get rid of those who don't want to be here or are deadwood....it wouldn't be the end of the world.....its football. Not every season can you expect to finish top 6 and win a trophy....loads of teams would be desperate to have achieved what we have in the past 7 years. We've been spoilt and one duff season doesn't mean we can't improve next year with players back and have a similar season to 2019/20 or 2020/21.

 

I know that we could still turn this season round but if we don't let's not all act like spoilt brats about it....fair play to West Ham at giving it a go but don't forget they had season upon season of fighting relegation battles and a toxic atmosphere at the London Stadium.

 

Sit back and enjoy the ride but be grateful for what we've achieved in recent years and could go on to achieve again....don't be bitter and come across entitled like the big 6 supporters.

 

LTID

 

that’s the part you are ‘ crazy’ about.

 

 

we can’t just sign the players we want and get rid of those we don’t want.  It’s not always as simple as that. 

[Strokes]

1 hour ago, Finnegan said:

 

Eh. Its different strokes for different folks really. 

 

 

I’ll have you know I’m for all folks.

Cheeky git!

[Finnegan]

13 minutes ago, Hoopla10 said:

Fair enough. Do you think that football would be as successful or "big" without that dramatisation?

 

I believe the sport of football would be, yes. Football was already massive before the 21st century football media phenomena boomed. 

 

For me, this stuff off the pitch is almost an industry (or collection of industries) in itself, separate to the actual game of 22 people, a ball and two nets. 

 

Everything from EA Sports FIFA to football Instagram, to sponsorship and endorsements, to the countless football youtubers, magazines, blogs, books, clothing brands, tabloid newspapers, broadsheet sporting pull outs, entire TV channels let alone shows, etc. 

 

That's the stuff that largely wouldn't exist and certainly wouldn't be as "big" without the dramatisation.

 

I accept that those things feed in to the wealth of the sport, so without those things footballers almost certainly wouldn't be earning 100k+ a week and we probably wouldn't have any 100m+ footballers but then the flip side of that is that low income fans wouldn't be priced out of season tickets or sports cable TV packages, so swings and roundabouts I suppose. 

 

Football stadiums around the world were packed to capacity long, long before Rupert Murdoch ever signed his first broadcasting deal. Given that stadiums in Italy, Spain, Greece and other nations with economic hardship are seeing attendances slide in the other direction this side of the millennium, you could even make an argument that more harm than good had been done by the phenomena of "modern football."

 

So, yeah, it's definitely the media that needs this storytelling narrative, not the sport itself. 

[Hoopla10]

12 minutes ago, mozartfox said:

For 80m I am personally delighted Maguire moved on.  Chilwell and Drinkwater are not in the same class as Youri and were replaced easily.  To replace Youri is a massive ask and as you say is unlikely to happen (same as with Kante and Airport Boy).

We just about managed before Youri turned up. I think we'll manage once he goes. Ideally I hope he stays but I should imagine our recruitment team have eyes on players to replace him if he goes. We've made some blunders last summer with Bertrand and Vestergaard (and maybe they'll still turn it around or whether they were BR picks) but mostly our recruitment deserves some faith. 

[StriderHiryu]

2 hours ago, Matt said:

Finishing where we are now, no cups. Absolutely fine by me, it is what it is.

 

Lets actually play some decent attacking forward football, something to get behind and have a go at teams though hey?

Look at our last opponents as a good example of this. Leeds are lower than us in the table, but they have a go at everyone they play against. If I watched my team play like that every week, I would be proud of my team, no matter how they did. Atalanta in Serie A are similar, though a much better team than Leeds.

 

Perhaps it's somewhat suicidal the way both teams play, but both are very exciting to watch!

 

At our best under Brendan Rodgers we've been electric, but other than Man U at home and the pre-season friendly against Villareal we've been missing that spark for a long time.

[Leicester_Loyal]

Every club has it's disappointing seasons, I don't really mind, but the one thing that annoys me is the rubbish performances in the EL. We should be wanting to give it a real good go as we probably won't be in it again for a number of years, yet we're going down without a fight. Warsaw away and Moscow at home were two pathetic performances, Napoli at home we let a 2 goal lead slip.

 

EDIT: Regarding Tielemans, he's gone, we could finish 2nd and I'd still be confident he won't be here in 18 months time.

Edited 8 November 2021 by Leicester_Loyal

[PAPA LAZAROU]

3 hours ago, BenTheFox said:

I can see Youri leaving if we don't qualify for the champions league, which is something we won't do. Finishing 6th and qualifying for the Europa League again won't be enough to keep hold of him in my opinion. 

I don't get the big fear of Youri leaving. He's a very good player for us but would look just average at Man city or Liverpool. For us he's a big fish in a medium size pond. His passing over the last few games for instance would not be tolerated in a better team and he does tend to blow hot and cold over a season. If he goes he goes and we have all seen players leave us for bigger clubs only to fall flat on their behinds. In my opinion he made his mind up that this was going to be his last season with us anyway so why worry?

[cruzFOX]

Season is only half way. I believe we will finish strong 2nd half. Where we end up is down to us, our luck and the bad luck of of our rivals.

if we finish mid table so be It, if it’s top 6 great and if it’s top 4 than brilliant. We can only do our part from this point onwards as we are playing catch-up. COYF!

[BenTheFox]

3 minutes ago, PAPA LAZAROU said:

I don't get the big fear of Youri leaving. He's a very good player for us but would look just average at Man city or Liverpool. For us he's a big fish in a medium size pond. His passing over the last few games for instance would not be tolerated in a better team and he does tend to blow hot and cold over a season. If he goes he goes and we have all seen players leave us for bigger clubs only to fall flat on their behinds. In my opinion he made his mind up that this was going to be his last season with us anyway so why worry?

Yeah I'm not losing any sleep over it. I'm just pointing out that it doesn't matter whether we finish 5th or 12th, he's going to leave. 

[sacreblueits442]

3 hours ago, tickler28 said:

I don't know how others feel but I'd suggest that there are several teams outside the top 6 that have achieved naff all that have squads and individuals as good if not better than ours....Wolves spring to mind as do Palace this season. Both these teams are as good as us and funnily enough are on the same points bar 1 (Wolves).

 

If anyone thinks we have better players/squads than these teams feel free to argue the point.

...we should not be comparing ourselves to teams that choose to standstill!!!

We obviously had a plan, (an ambition to reach the top 4) we then sought to make that come about by the sensible acquisition of players and a manager looking to take the team forward. Like a marathon runner, once you have caught the runner up ahead of you, you do not stop to run at his pace you go past them, so they cannot use you as a pace maker.

  There is no entitlement here, just a glimpse of a finishing line and attempting to get there.

[coolhandfox]

1 hour ago, StriderHiryu said:

Look at our last opponents as a good example of this. Leeds are lower than us in the table, but they have a go at everyone they play against. If I watched my team play like that every week, I would be proud of my team, no matter how they did. Atalanta in Serie A are similar, though a much better team than Leeds.

 

Perhaps it's somewhat suicidal the way both teams play, but both are very exciting to watch!

 

At our best under Brendan Rodgers we've been electric, but other than Man U at home and the pre-season friendly against Villareal we've been missing that spark for a long time.

If that mean't we slip back into the Championship, would that be ok?

 

I think there is a balance to be struck. 

 

38 minutes ago, BenTheFox said:

Yeah I'm not losing any sleep over it. I'm just pointing out that it doesn't matter whether we finish 5th or 12th, he's going to leave. 

Even if we got CL last season or this I think he would be still be gone.

[tickler28]

27 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...we should not be comparing ourselves to teams that choose to standstill!!!

We obviously had a plan, (an ambition to reach the top 4) we then sought to make that come about by the sensible acquisition of players and a manager looking to take the team forward. Like a marathon runner, once you have caught the runner up ahead of you, you do not stop to run at his pace you go past them, so they cannot use you as a pace maker.

  There is no entitlement here, just a glimpse of a finishing line and attempting to get there.

Stand still?!? How are these clubs standing still? Wolves have some amazingly talented players many of whom would walk into our team at the minute....Palace also have players that would walk into our starting XI....here are the players I refer to: Coady, Moutinho, Trincao,  Chan,  Jiminez,  Zaha, Gallagher, Mitchell, Guehi.....possibly more....why shouldn't they have ambitions of top 6 yet we should? What makes us so special? What do we have that these teams don't?

[sacreblueits442]

2 minutes ago, tickler28 said:

Stand still?!? How are these clubs standing still? Wolves have some amazingly talented players many of whom would walk into our team at the minute....Palace also have players that would walk into our starting XI....here are the players I refer to: Coady, Moutinho, Trincao,  Chan,  Jiminez,  Zaha, Gallagher, Mitchell, Guehi.....possibly more....why shouldn't they have ambitions of top 6 yet we should? What makes us so special? What do we have that these teams don't?

....there are teams in this league prior to us coming up who were more than comfortable to make up the numbers, consolidation was the key!!!

We wanted more than that and we put a strategy into place. At this moment for which ever reason we are standing still, that will only result in teams, who have seen what can achieved attempt to emulate the same strategy, which few believed could be implemented successfully.

  

[Hoopla10]

55 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...we should not be comparing ourselves to teams that choose to standstill!!!

We obviously had a plan, (an ambition to reach the top 4) we then sought to make that come about by the sensible acquisition of players and a manager looking to take the team forward. Like a marathon runner, once you have caught the runner up ahead of you, you do not stop to run at his pace you go past them, so they cannot use you as a pace maker.

  There is no entitlement here, just a glimpse of a finishing line and attempting to get there.

The marathon runner analogy doesn't really work. Once teams (like us) edge into the top four and disrupt teams with waaaaaaay more money than us then they will (if well managed) react. They wont standstill or run at the same pace either. I don't think our club's project (ambition) has changed and why I agree entirely with the OP. The problem is that we've fallen to injury that has disrupted our pace this season. If it can happen to Liverpool (last season) then we're definitely going to be effected given our size and resources. People wrote off Liverpool at the start of this season but with VVD back they're playing some sublime football at times and will compete for the title (along with the CL). So we either have faith in the process (one you yourself said we put into place) or we don't. 

 

 

Edited 8 November 2021 by Hoopla10

[Pick Good Name Later]

5 hours ago, tickler28 said:

If we finish where we are in the league right now this season and don't go anywhere in the cups....yes it would be disappointing but c'est la vie.....we can just reset, regroup, add players to the squad we need and get rid of those who don't want to be here or are deadwood....it wouldn't be the end of the world.....its football. Not every season can you expect to finish top 6 and win a trophy....loads of teams would be desperate to have achieved what we have in the past 7 years. We've been spoilt and one duff season doesn't mean we can't improve next year with players back and have a similar season to 2019/20 or 2020/21.

 

I know that we could still turn this season round but if we don't let's not all act like spoilt brats about it....fair play to West Ham at giving it a go but don't forget they had season upon season of fighting relegation battles and a toxic atmosphere at the London Stadium.

 

Sit back and enjoy the ride but be grateful for what we've achieved in recent years and could go on to achieve again....don't be bitter and come across entitled like the big 6 supporters.

 

LTID

I'm struggling to agree with this.

It seems a popular opinion from the recognition received. That said, just accepting a bad season on the chin and moving on to the next for me has significant implications. Adding the word "just" in front of resetting/regrouping whether or not intentional gives an indication of an ease in the particular process. It simply becomes that much more difficult. 

 

What's the impact if we just carry on as we are, have a mediocre season at best. Try and regroup in the off season, push forward again next season? Well, firstly, millions of pounds in potential prize money. Secondly, the squad that we've amassed, that I would argue are better players than to just have an okay season. Or have a bad season. Are there heads not going to be turned? As a club, after a bad season, are we in a stronger position to negotiate new contracts, a higher fee. I doubt it. What about there own personal ambitions? Are they happy to accept a mediocre season? Our recruitment then becomes more difficult to address for the following season. No European football. No revenue from European football. No exposure from European football. Commercial opportunities are also impacted. What happens if we just have another bad season next season? Are we regressing? This is only the tip of the iceberg. The variables and challenges are endless. 

 

What's wrong with wanting to push forward season in season out? I don't agree with everything posted on this forum, far from it. I don't really see many being entitled, or bitter because we're not hitting the highs. There's a lot of frustration because quite frankly, the performances across this season, both in the league, and in Europe have been significantly below par. I don't think there's a single Leicester fan that's not grateful for the last 5 or so seasons. In the context of life, it's not the end of the world. But to accept mediocre with the efforts put in collectively in recent years blows my mind. 

 

 

[sacreblueits442]

2 minutes ago, Hoopla10 said:

The marathon runner analogy doesn't really work. Once teams (like us) edge into the top four and disrupt teams with waaaaaaay more money than us then they will (if well managed) react. They wont standstill or run at the same pace either. I don't think our club's project (ambition) has changed and why I agree entirely with the OP. The problem is that we've fallen to injury that has disrupted our pace this season. If it can happen to Liverpool (last season) then we're definitely going to be effected given our size and resources. People wrote off Liverpool at the start of this season but with VVD back they're playing some sublime football at times and will compete for the title (along with the CL). 

 

 

....you would expect that, but we cant just sit back and say " it is not fair they have more than us..."!!!

Just keep on going, you never know if someone upfront has overcooked it or are experiencing some kind of difficulty. Klopp may have had injury problems in relation to his team last season but he seems to have accepted the VVD situation and mentally made it the main problem of his team's inability to compete as they previously had.

  There is no doubt our injuries has impacted the season so far, but one of these missing players was part of our team unable to stop a second half season slide.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

YOUR CRAZY.  

[HighPeakFox]

8 minutes ago, DANGEROUS TIGER said:

YOUR CRAZY.  

If you're being called crazy by this geezer, you've said something right...

[tickler28]

27 minutes ago, Pick Good Name Later said:

I'm struggling to agree with this.

It seems a popular opinion from the recognition received. That said, just accepting a bad season on the chin and moving on to the next for me has significant implications. Adding the word "just" in front of resetting/regrouping whether or not intentional gives an indication of an ease in the particular process. It simply becomes that much more difficult. 

 

What's the impact if we just carry on as we are, have a mediocre season at best. Try and regroup in the off season, push forward again next season? Well, firstly, millions of pounds in potential prize money. Secondly, the squad that we've amassed, that I would argue are better players than to just have an okay season. Or have a bad season. Are there heads not going to be turned? As a club, after a bad season, are we in a stronger position to negotiate new contracts, a higher fee. I doubt it. What about there own personal ambitions? Are they happy to accept a mediocre season? Our recruitment then becomes more difficult to address for the following season. No European football. No revenue from European football. No exposure from European football. Commercial opportunities are also impacted. What happens if we just have another bad season next season? Are we regressing? This is only the tip of the iceberg. The variables and challenges are endless. 

 

What's wrong with wanting to push forward season in season out? I don't agree with everything posted on this forum, far from it. I don't really see many being entitled, or bitter because we're not hitting the highs. There's a lot of frustration because quite frankly, the performances across this season, both in the league, and in Europe have been significantly below par. I don't think there's a single Leicester fan that's not grateful for the last 5 or so seasons. In the context of life, it's not the end of the world. But to accept mediocre with the efforts put in collectively in recent years blows my mind. 

 

 

Not once have I said that I don't want us to progress or that I don't want us to win things or challenge for the top 4. This thread is about chilling everyone out and getting people to stop stressing out about where we are right now. You talk about players ambitions? I don't see any of of our players other than Tielemans showing any signs that they deserve to be playing for better clubs. 

 

The point I'm making is that we're clearly in a bad place at the minute....I don't think you can blame anyone or anything in particular it just is what it is....why freak out about it?