Call me crazy....I don't care

[Pick Good Name Later]

4 minutes ago, tickler28 said:

Not once have I said that I don't want us to progress or that I don't want us to win things or challenge for the top 4. This thread is about chilling everyone out and getting people to stop stressing out about where we are right now. You talk about players ambitions? I don't see any of of our players other than Tielemans showing any signs that they deserve to be playing for better clubs. 

 

The point I'm making is that we're clearly in a bad place at the minute....I don't think you can blame anyone or anything in particular it just is what it is....why freak out about it?

Buddy, I fully understand the point you're making in your original post. 👍🏻 Equally, nobody is freaking out. I'm merely saying that I do not share the same view. 

 

To pick you up on a couple of points, we've an incredibly talented squad. Players that have capabilities to play European football season in season out. Players that have an ability to be challenging in the top echelons of Europe's biggest leagues. If they can't get this at Leicester, why would they not want to move on. Case in point with our transfer dealings over the last few seasons. I'm not sure I can also accept "you can't blame anyone or anything" "it is what it is" - Is this not a very irrational response to holding accountability? Accepting responsibility for a situation. Having the ability to be able to address the situation. Most importantly, changing the course, the path of the situation? Rather than accepting the situation for "what it is".

[Matt]

3 hours ago, StriderHiryu said:

Look at our last opponents as a good example of this. Leeds are lower than us in the table, but they have a go at everyone they play against. If I watched my team play like that every week, I would be proud of my team, no matter how they did. Atalanta in Serie A are similar, though a much better team than Leeds.

 

Perhaps it's somewhat suicidal the way both teams play, but both are very exciting to watch!

 

At our best under Brendan Rodgers we've been electric, but other than Man U at home and the pre-season friendly against Villareal we've been missing that spark for a long time.

Thank you. You get it! 

 

We had abit of a discussion the other week, you appreciated how I felt and my gripes with this style, I know you have looked into it and appreciate you can see how it can be used but you seem to see it for the bigger picture.

[Hoopla10]

52 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

....you would expect that, but we cant just sit back and say " it is not fair they have more than us..."!!!

Just keep on going, you never know if someone upfront has overcooked it or are experiencing some kind of difficulty. Klopp may have had injury problems in relation to his team last season but he seems to have accepted the VVD situation and mentally made it the main problem of his team's inability to compete as they previously had.

  There is no doubt our injuries has impacted the season so far, but one of these missing players was part of our team unable to stop a second half season slide.

We don't though, do we. We pace at OUR speed. 

 

They have more than us, that's just a reality and it obviously effects how this league operates. It's why people got excited about us and why WH are the current darlings. Even our own supporters liked that we were shaking it up. 

 

It wasn't Klopp's mentality, it was a team that had its defense decimated (like ours has been). These things effect a TEAM.

 

We'll just ignore any possible reason we might slide at the end of a season huh? Playing two to three games for half the season with a squad nowhere near as deep as other teams around us. Playing those games while balancing injuries. Mads out injured. An FA cup run thrown in (one we win). Ignore that those teams around us bought in the winter transfer window (the same teams that can cherry pick OUR players). 

[Vestan Pance]

The only opinion that matters on this subject is that of Top. He'll be the one who decides if the manner of the performances and the level of success is value for money. Will a bottom half finish and not going deep into the Europa League or FA Cup be deemed good enough?

[StriderHiryu]

18 minutes ago, Matt said:

Thank you. You get it! 

 

We had abit of a discussion the other week, you appreciated how I felt and my gripes with this style, I know you have looked into it and appreciate you can see how it can be used but you seem to see it for the bigger picture.

Football at the end of the day is a hobby / entertainment. When Puel was in charge the irony is we weren't even a bad team, we were just boring! It was more fun watching us struggle with Pearson in charge being bottom of the league for 7 months because it was still entertaining even if were poor or getting unlucky. Puel's most exciting game for me incredibly was the game we lost 4-3 to Wolves. We lost, but the game itself was absolutely wild. Boring, boring Puel out of the window for that one!

 

Let's be honest as Leicester fans we've hit the jackpot. The Premier League was a fairy tale and even the way we won the FA Cup was epic, Youri's goal, the Morgan cameo, the first match with the return of fans, etc. Can it get better than that? Maybe, but we've been spoiled to have seen those moments from such a pure and likable team.

 

So I get it, if we are playing in a boring manner, what's the point? It's more entertaining to go out fighting than tamely.

 

Now there's balance to each side, so I also totally understand those that are more pragmatic and what is better for the club overall in the long term. Those fans are equally as dedicated and love the club. But I also 100% understand the desire to be entertained and proud to watch our team play. Two of the best games at the KP were the 5-3 and recent 4-2 wins against Man United. Totally exhilarating, balls to the wall and breathless. Not every game can be like that, but I for one wouldn't mind if they were!

[CosbehFox]

Think it’s well and good to hold a candle towards Leeds and/or Atalanta but the reality is we don’t watch their clubs in the same prism as an actual fan.
 

I’m fairly sure Atalanta fans while praising their attacking style and absolutely pissed off that their defending is so frantic. They also have a reputation of being bottlers and failing to win when it matters. Leeds probably slightly different given the work Bielsa has done in leading a club all the way up but I have no doubt they will have fans who are getting annoyed at their lack of finishing this season 

[Corky]

6 hours ago, coolhandfox said:

All the West Ham love in.

 

As we have found out to our cost two seasons running, it doesn't matter where you are until after game 38.

 

They will have the same problem keeping hold of Rice as we are with Youri.

All been lost in the past week and the euphoria on here towards West Ham but they haven't actually done anything we haven't yet. 

 

A big test will come for them when it's not a novelty and they are seen as a top team- expectation changes. One thing we've seen this season is that you have to keep the standards going.

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

There’s no doubt we’ve been spoilt in the last 5-6 years - in different ways. But blimey, in the 80-90-00s you’d give your left bollock for 12th after 11 games being regarded as a low point after winning the FA Cup and 5 years after that PL title. It’s a marathon, not a sprint…

[coolhandfox]

53 minutes ago, Corky said:

All been lost in the past week and the euphoria on here towards West Ham but they haven't actually done anything we haven't yet. 

 

A big test will come for them when it's not a novelty and they are seen as a top team- expectation changes. One thing we've seen this season is that you have to keep the standards going.

I agree, you become the hunted rather then the hunter. People change how they play against you 

 

I still think people under estimate how hard it was to go again last season after being so close to 4th. 

 

Mental fatigue can bigger then physical fatigue.

 

 

 

 

[tickler28]

4 hours ago, Pick Good Name Later said:

Buddy, I fully understand the point you're making in your original post. 👍🏻 Equally, nobody is freaking out. I'm merely saying that I do not share the same view. 

 

To pick you up on a couple of points, we've an incredibly talented squad. Players that have capabilities to play European football season in season out. Players that have an ability to be challenging in the top echelons of Europe's biggest leagues. If they can't get this at Leicester, why would they not want to move on. Case in point with our transfer dealings over the last few seasons. I'm not sure I can also accept "you can't blame anyone or anything" "it is what it is" - Is this not a very irrational response to holding accountability? Accepting responsibility for a situation. Having the ability to be able to address the situation. Most importantly, changing the course, the path of the situation? Rather than accepting the situation for "what it is".

Plenty of people are freaking out...FT is testament to that in so much people are talking about sacking Rodgers and who our next manager should be. Yes our squad is talented but so are many squads in this league and right now if you were making a best XI out of players not in the big 6 teams and even if you excluded West Ham how many of our players would start? Realistically? Vardy? Tielemans? That would be the max

[Gamble92]

I think its more a case of wanting to capitalise on what will very likely be our best ever team when we look back. 

 

If we'd got top 4 in either of the last 2 seasons I'd have happily adopted the mentality of the original post. 

[BoyJones]

12 hours ago, BenTheFox said:

I don't really disagree with you that it's not the end of the world if we have an average season. I can understand people's disappointments if this squad were to finish 12th because we have more quality than that. 

If we finish 12th after 38 games, that is where we deserve to be. 

[Tom12345]

15 hours ago, K1FOX said:

We're only 8 points off West ham in 3rd, 7 off the top 4 and 2 points off Man united in 6th. We're also in the league cup QF again Europa league qualification is still in our own hands with two games to go. 

 

A large proportion of our fan base seriously think we should win every game - That was a good hard fought away point yesterday. 

At the beginning of the season, we were 0 point away from the top 6, top 4 and the top. We are gradually slipping down and continuing to do so which is a worry. I hope we can put a run together though at some stage.

Edited 9 November 2021 by Tom12345

[shailen]

I said this before that under Rodgers we have generally been a streaky team, where when we're winning we usually go on a decent run and when we're out of form we drop points in consecutive games.

 

Both of those good runs happened in the first part of the last two seasons, especially in 19/20 where we won 8 in a row and up till Christmas were competing with Liverpool for the title, who were phenomenal that season. 

 

Whilst it is frustrating, in reality only Man City and Liverpool have been consistent enough to sustain these good patches, largely due to their superior individual quality in both squads, over the last four or five seasons. We've shown we can compete very well on occasion and can turn the big teams over, but not sustain the form over a season. That said, neither have Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea (till now), Man Utd and others, so it's not just us. 

 

You look at the table and it's still very tight to the top 4. We beat some of our rivals in the second half of the season or in the upcoming games and we'll propel up the table very quickly. 

[Tommy G]

The lack of ambition in this thread is staggering 

[tickler28]

10 hours ago, Tommy G said:

The lack of ambition in this thread is staggering 

This thread has nothing to do with ambition. Its a thread accepting an average season if we have one.

If you don't accept there's a very strong possibility that this season might not be great what are you going to do? Mosn every week that we haven't won....call players out....demand Rodgers gets sacked.....like the rest of us you'll probably just live in the hope that the next match will be better.

None of us have any power over how well we do this season and personally....given what many of these players have delivered in the past....they can be forgiven for not reaching the heady heights set in the past...just my opinion.

 

I also don't think you finish top 6 with backup players like Vestergaard,  Choudhury  Dewsbury-Hall,  Thomas, Perez and Amartey....everyone bangs on about how great we are but are we? Really? Tell me what is so great about us?

[Tommy G]

12 hours ago, tickler28 said:

This thread has nothing to do with ambition. Its a thread accepting an average season if we have one.

If you don't accept there's a very strong possibility that this season might not be great what are you going to do? Mosn every week that we haven't won....call players out....demand Rodgers gets sacked.....like the rest of us you'll probably just live in the hope that the next match will be better.

None of us have any power over how well we do this season and personally....given what many of these players have delivered in the past....they can be forgiven for not reaching the heady heights set in the past...just my opinion.

 

I also don't think you finish top 6 with backup players like Vestergaard,  Choudhury  Dewsbury-Hall,  Thomas, Perez and Amartey....everyone bangs on about how great we are but are we? Really? Tell me what is so great about us?

Calm down dear.

 

Just because you have ambition doesn't mean you have to throw your toys out the pram. Ambition is a mentality, it's not about calling for the managers head if you fall short.

 

If we fall short and finish mid table we haven't achieved what we set out to do, there could be many corrective actions ahead of next season to help us finish higher. If you start of with your mentality of mid table that will become accepted, is my point. Aim high and if you fall short, then so be it.