8th (5th) in table

[fuchsntf]

5 hours ago, davieG said:

But we've proved in the past that we're not average, we're certainly not top 3 but we've shown we can be competitive for 4-7. It's clear that the team are under performing and seem at the moment incapable of starting well or playing well for 90 mins.

 

It's not an ability issue it's a mental/attitude problem.

The past is the past...We all agreed in the title year....The table doesnt lie...We are Now over a third of this season...12-9th seems about right.!!

 

Now trying to look through and be above Amy foxes-True blue-bias, 

Yes this season, IMO your last sentence fits, but...!!!

no matter what selection,formation, tactics Rodgers, even back to Puel, " The selected players". 

have problems in taking oneworld responsibility when going. over the white-wash....

ie:- Evans our most experienced Player ponderous and Too slow moving the ball forward...Soyuncu slowly Coming put of that same ponderous -fog.    Castagna/Thomas.  Finding themselves in the hospital-area, After going through all first-halfs, and same moments through the whole game, receiving the ball in their own half, with no get out midfield support....

 

Our B.Line to midfield triangles succombe 85% of the Time to The slightest opposition pressing, because we have nobody/2-3 players ready to push the ball forward....

I Now After 14months ask the question is Maddison the only Player who actually can & wants to push those boundaries...

Barnes & Lookman,Soumare,&Ndidi ,also Tielemans when he was played....seem to wait for the Perfect moment,

instead of Daring to use their skills to. keep consistently attacking the oppo-lines...

Basic movement & moments seem beyond them....Our pace men, seem to Lack exactly that , & dilly-dally in pressing

forward, then when Making that burst, Lack discipline & mental strength to either Complete the move or convert...

Barnes Golden chance...No critic on outcome, IMO an underrated Great an Save from their GK.....

My critic,  he or others are not doing it often enough..!!

 

We have lost our Swagger..or!!  Is it because the players arent Really as good as this Forum gives them Credit for...

One Year has gone & past....This Team hasnt performed consistently enough to hold our rating of a Top 7-3rd team...

Entertainment & Performance has had, so many infrequent moments...

 

Not forgetting from most posters...I and yourself have leaned towards happy-clapper-dimensions,

defended our foxes into nomans-land,Defended our Team through all storms...

I havent lost that foxes-till-I-die attitude, but our players, the whole squad this season, no matter in selection nor formation, the players

themselves not even bringing the basics to their game.,and thats where Rodgers/Puel have/had no influence...

We seem to be a a Base for that player-travellers- mentality....

Mo matter the poor pathetic coaching, I expect any Top PL Profi player, to sort out on the pitch the Set-peice-defending,

Bline-dithering, moving the ball quicker &  with Intent in the First 50 minutes...

 

Until proved otherwise ( table position & performance).  Our squad is Not as good as we believe they are....

Many laugh or Demean the opposition, so far we haven t  proved we are better, no matter if we look up or down the league...

No matter how we often we Squeeze our eyes & bums each game,

our team ,our favourites,our idols are just Not Cutting it, for Top 5 aspirations.

4-5 game poor  periods might be seen as normal, but even when we have had ok results, those performances , shown attitude and importantly aptitude  as been nothing Short of quite pathetic...Individuals have pulled themselves around,

but in 14 months we havent seen 60 minutes Let alone 90mins of Team collectiveness & performance...

Neither character nor Ethos has been built...Thats Why since Pearson, & First season Ranieri , 'the team' has struggled

to find personality....Managers have failed to understand & use that Vardy, Schmeichel ,Albrighton on pitch Auora.I

Not allowed the Basic natural instinct of Gray,Vardy,Barnes,Lookman,Under, Nacho, Soyuncu, Perez

( no coincidence he has improved) to evolve.

 

I want Rodgers to stay, develope & build the Leicester Squad & a character.  Players should be flexable, but upon their strengths..

if we can get that Spine... Any CB, Tielemans, Ndidi, Maddison, Vardy  (Daka/Nacho)  meshing and working ,then even this season we can Challenge for that Top 6-4 covetted Realms of the PL..

 

Southampton laughable First half antics, or lack of any antic, has to be the drawn-line...Even a chilled   fuchsntf.  as had enough of lame 1/3 of the season  "Team" performances ...I am not going to throw Major Blame towards Rodgers..This collective Squad as individuals are being paid our best ever wages,

Its Not L'pool,Chelsea, realms, But they are paid These/our higher Wages for a reason...

Vardy is Vardy,Maddison has pulled himself up,Thomas as shown he wants it, KDH Shows hes prepared, Soyuncu is now slowly again Stepping up...but for our aspirations & so called given Player Ratings  60& of our selected

Team are misfiring through any given 50-90 minutes...In game discipline, expected football-basics, concentration, and that much flouted intensivity..!!

Drawing with Teams like Southampton was & Never is the problem, but Lack of performance-delivery, Learning from consistent failings & such a 50minutes

of First half-into Early 10-15minutes 2nd halfs like last Night should be a game too far...

 

Edited 2 December 2021 by fuchsntf

[davieG]

8 minutes ago, fuchsntf said:

The past is the past...We all agreed in the title year....The table doesnt lie...We are Now over a third of this season...12-9th seems about right.!!

 

Now trying to look through and be above Amy foxes-True blue-bias, 

Yes this season, IMO your last sentence fits, but...!!!

no matter what selection,formation, tactics Rodgers, even back to Puel, " The selected players".  have problems in taking oneworld responsibility when going

over the white-wash....ie:- Evans our most experienced Player ponderous and Too slow moving the ball forward...Soyuncu slowly Coming put of that same ponderous -fog.    Castagna/Thomas.  Finding themselves in the hospital-area, After going through all first-halfs, and same moments through the whole game,

receiving the ball in their own half, with no get out midfield support....

 

Our B.Line to midfield triangles succombe 85% of the Time to The slightest opposition pressing, because we have nobody/2-3 players ready to push the ball

Forward....I Now After 14months ask the question is Maddison the only Player who actually can & wants to push those boundaries...

Barnes & Lookman,Soumare,&Ndidi ,also Tielemans when he was played....seem to wait for the Perfect moment,instead of Daring to use their skills to

Keep consistently attacking the oppo-lines...Basic movement & moments seem beyond them....Our pace men, seem to Lack exactly that , & dilly in pressing

Forward, then when Making that burst, Lack discipline & mental strength to either Complete the move or convert...

Barnes Golden chance...No critic on outcome, IMO an underrated Great an Save from their GK.....My critic,  he or others are not doing it often enough..!!

 

We have lost our Swagger..or!!  Is it because the players arent Really as good as this Forum gives them Credit for...

One Year has gone & past....This Team hasnt performed consistently enough to hold our rating of a Top 7-3rd team...

Entertainment & Performance has had, so many infrequent moments...

 

Not forgetting from most posters...I and yourself have leaned towards happy-clapper-dimensions,defended our foxes into nomans-land,Defended our Team

through all storms...I havent lost that flxes-till-I-die attitude, but our players, the whole squad this season, no matter in selection nor formation, the players

themselves not even bringing the basics to their game.,and thats where Rodgers/Puel have/had no influence...

We seem to be a a Base for that player-travellers- mentality....

Mo matter the poor pathetic coaching, I expect any Top PL Profi player, to sort out on the pitch the Set-peice-defending, Bline-dithering, moving the ball quicker

& with Intent in the First 50 minutes...

 

Until proved otherwise ( table position & performance).  Our squad is Not as good as we believe they are....

Many laugh or Demean the opposition, so far we haven t  proved we are better, no matter if we look up or down the league...

No matter how we often we Squeeze our eyes & bums each game, our team ,our favourites,our idols are just Not Cutting it, for Top 5 aspirations.

4-5 game poor  periods might be seen as normal, but even when we have had ok results, those performances , shown attitude and importantly aptitude,

 as been nothing Short of quite pathetic...Individuals have pulled themselves around, but in 14 months we havent seen 60 minutes Let alone 90mins

Of Team collectiveness & performance...A character nor Ethos has been built...Thats Why since Pearson, & First season Ranieri , 'the team' has struggle

to find personality....Managers have failed to understand & use that Vardy, Schmeichel ,Albrighton on pitch Auora. Not allowed the Basic natural instincts

of Gray,Vardy,Barnes,Lookman,Under, Nacho, Soyuncu, Perez( no confidence he was improved) to evolve.

I want Rodgers to stay, develope & build the Leicester Squad & a character.  Players should be flexable, but upon their strengths..

if we can get that Spine... Any CB, Tielemans, Ndidi, Maddison, Vardy  (Daka/Nacho)  meshing and working ,then even this season we can Challenge

vor that Top 6-4 covetted Realms of the PL..

 

Southampton laughable First half antics, or lack of any antic, has to be the drawn-line...Even a chilled   fuchsntf.  as had enough of lame 1/3 of the season

 "Team" performances ...I am not going to throw Major Blame towards Rodgers..This collective Squad as individuals are being paid our best ever wages,

Its Not L'pool,Chelsea, realms, But they are paid These/our higher Wages for a reason...Vardy is Vardy,Maddison has pulled himself up,Thomas as shown

he wants it, KDH Shows hes prepared, Soyuncu is now slowly again Stepping up...but for our aspirations & so called given Player Ratings  60& of our selected

Team are misfiring through any given 50-90 minutes...In game discipline, expected football-basics, concentration, and that much flouted intensivity..!!

Drawing with Teams like Southampton was & Never is the problem, but Lack of performance-delivery, Learning from consistent failings & such a 50minutes

of First half-into Early 10-15minutes 2nd halfs like last Night should be a game too far...

 

I'm sorry but life's too short, especially at my age to read all that, in fact if I did the present would be the past. So I'll blindly agree to disagree.

[fuchsntf]

1 minute ago, davieG said:

I'm sorry but life's too short, especially at my age to read all that, in fact if I did the present would be the past. So I'll blindly agree to disagree.

Yeehh,  I do go Off on one sometimes....

 

[Phil Bowman]

3 hours ago, RoboFox said:

Ok, let's stop any objective criticism of the dross football we keep getting served up - y'know on a forum for discussion - and instead post gifs of us lifting the Premier League and FA Cup from now on.

Not a bad idea actually.

It would make precisely the same amount of difference to anything. But at least it would make us all feel happy.

[Phil Bowman]

6 hours ago, ealingfox said:

If you take out all the teams above us we're actually 1st!

Yeah, but if you take out all the teams below us we’re last.

Edited 2 December 2021 by Phil Bowman

[TonyN11]

6 hours ago, Danny Clender said:

There's a top 3 who are exceptional right now and a bottom 3 that are having shockers, the remaining middle band are all average seasons at the moment. 

and the top 4 are the only teams with a positive goal difference .... weird

[grobyfox1990]

If you take away the top 7 teams and ignore games in hand we are top of the league which is outstanding

[ARM1968]

1 hour ago, fuchsntf said:

Yeehh,  I do go Off on one sometimes....

 

I enjoy your meanders into incomprehensible lunacy. Occasionally within the verbiage there are nuggets of gold to be had. 

[fuchsntf]

12 minutes ago, ARM1968 said:

I enjoy your meanders into incomprehensible lunacy. Occasionally within the verbiage there are nuggets of gold to be had. 

Excusez moi.... Nuggets of Gold...!!  

 

at least....brilliant as polished Platinum and Cutting as  the best diamond..filled with Carats of wisdom...

Then I get Hooked on Tinplate F.talk...oh well everyone must a vice & a counter-balance, so I decide to donate my gems freely and wildly...

 

Its like  sitting in the Middle of the Nights Jungle's noise  ,every Animal as its shry & grunt...Their like ,understand the Message though the noise, while

the others Keep fit Running around in circles...

 

[Dan]

7 hours ago, fuchsntf said:

Its how Football Works, nothing bonkers...Too Many looking at only the foxes perspective ,Hopes und dreams...I

We  are very average with the odd individual skills,dragging us through...

It's bonkers quite how tight it actually is though. 11 points between 4th and 17th feels very tight.

[Stadt]

We’re getting worse defensively under Rodgers each season, with a better team & squad.

 

18/19

- 48 conceded

- 1.26 against per game 

- 44.4 xGA

- 1.16 xGA per game 

 

19/20

- 41 conceded 

- 1.07 pg 

- 44.5 xGA 

- 1.17 xGA per game 

 

20/21 

- 50 conceded 

- 1.31 pg 

- 47.7 xGA

- 1.25 xGA per game 

 

21/22 (14 games in)

- 25 conceded 

- 1.78 pg

- 22.9 xGA

- 1.63 xGA per game 

 

This is unforgivable and I think the only way it improves is under a new manager.

[fuchsntf]

23 minutes ago, Dan LCFC said:

It's bonkers quite how tight it actually is though. 11 points between 4th and 17th feels very tight.

Tight has how Maddisons Butt might be feeling right at this moment.....

[jamfox]

This year was always going to be a bit harder , as the "big 2 " has become the "big 3"   That said that does not mask the fact we have been disappointing.  its been OK just no great,  but its very tight and if we are still in the middle of the chasing pack id put as one of the stronger teams to pull though Feb onward with key players back and settled in.  Going to do it the other way around this season and storm the finish.  

[filbertway]

27 minutes ago, Stadt said:

We’re getting worse defensively under Rodgers each season, with a better team & squad.

 

18/19

- 48 conceded

- 1.26 against per game 

- 44.4 xGA

- 1.16 xGA per game 

 

19/20

- 41 conceded 

- 1.07 pg 

- 44.5 xGA 

- 1.17 xGA per game 

 

20/21 

- 50 conceded 

- 1.31 pg 

- 47.7 xGA

- 1.25 xGA per game 

 

21/22 (14 games in)

- 25 conceded 

- 1.78 pg

- 22.9 xGA

- 1.63 xGA per game 

 

This is unforgivable and I think the only way it improves is under a new manager.

 

Feels very much like we're sleepwalking back into mediocrity at the minute. It's terrible but I groan everytime a team lets us off the hook and we pick up more undeserved points, just feels like it's delaying the inevitable  

 

I don't even think Rodgers is a bad manager, it all just feels very flat and has done for a long time. Feels like there's a pattern emerging that shows that whatever Rodgers has been doing and still is doing, wears off after a while and things starts going backwards. 

 

It's not a unique thing to Rodgers, I'm sure it happens in plenty of industries and certainly happens in football all the time.

 

I think in the long term that we can still improve as a club and continue to climb if we stick to our approach of signing young talent to develop and sell for profit, it's a proven method of allowing clubs to punch above their weight.  Maybe you just need to keep things fresh to keep everyone's minds focused. One things for sure is that I'm sure we'll never dish out a contract like we gave to Brendan ever again (for the record, I was well into it at the time)

[Matt_Lcfc]

1 hour ago, Stadt said:

We’re getting worse defensively under Rodgers each season, with a better team & squad.

 

18/19

- 48 conceded

- 1.26 against per game 

- 44.4 xGA

- 1.16 xGA per game 

 

19/20

- 41 conceded 

- 1.07 pg 

- 44.5 xGA 

- 1.17 xGA per game 

 

20/21 

- 50 conceded 

- 1.31 pg 

- 47.7 xGA

- 1.25 xGA per game 

 

21/22 (14 games in)

- 25 conceded 

- 1.78 pg

- 22.9 xGA

- 1.63 xGA per game 

 

This is unforgivable and I think the only way it improves is under a new manager.

Guess this has nothing to do with the fact that Fofana, Justin, Evans and Ricardo have all been out? 

[Stadt]

37 minutes ago, Matt_Lcfc said:

Guess this has nothing to do with the fact that Fofana, Justin, Evans and Ricardo have all been out? 

At some points yes, not every season he’s been here. Rodgers has never lasted longer than 3 years at a club - things go stale.

 

Even without Evans, Justin, Ricardo and Fofana at different times - we’ve kept fewer clean sheets than Norwich this season (1 vs their 3). 

[Matt_Lcfc]

4 minutes ago, Stadt said:

At some points yes, not every season he’s been here. Rodgers has never lasted longer than 3 years at a club - things go stale.

 

Even without Evans, Justin, Ricardo and Fofana at different times - we’ve kept fewer clean sheets than Norwich this season (1 vs their 3). 

I don’t disagree with you and to a certain extent I’m playing devils advocate. But, isn’t it important to look at the bigger picture? You quit rightly make the point that we have declined defensively but every season we have improved on our points tally - this year has been an anomaly. 
 

I am not saying it is the only factor but I still believe it has been a big factor in our decline.

[Guest ttfn]

1 hour ago, Stadt said:

We’re getting worse defensively under Rodgers each season, with a better team & squad.

 

18/19

- 48 conceded

- 1.26 against per game 

- 44.4 xGA

- 1.16 xGA per game 

 

19/20

- 41 conceded 

- 1.07 pg 

- 44.5 xGA 

- 1.17 xGA per game 

 

20/21 

- 50 conceded 

- 1.31 pg 

- 47.7 xGA

- 1.25 xGA per game 

 

21/22 (14 games in)

- 25 conceded 

- 1.78 pg

- 22.9 xGA

- 1.63 xGA per game 

 

This is unforgivable and I think the only way it improves is under a new manager.

Echoes of Roberto Martinez at Everton who was very good in adding an attacking slant to Moyes’ foundations but had no idea how to organise a defence in the long run.

 

This season has been a ****ing shambles defensively. It boggles the mind that we managed to keep a clean sheet in the cup final because not only have we failed to do so since the opening day this season but we conceded 4 at home to Newcastle and Spurs sides with nothing to play for in the last few weeks of the previous season.

[foxes_rule1978]

We have been playing a lot of games without 2 or 3 of our main back line. I don’t see it has an excuse so much but it isn’t helping, set-pieces is a major issue 

Edited 2 December 2021 by foxes_rule1978

[Guest ttfn]

If somebody had told you at the start of last season that we could - if so inclined - pick a back 4 of Castagne-Evans-Soyuncu-Bertrand with Schmeichel in goal would you really expect us to have two clean sheets in 20+ games this season?

 

Injuries don’t help but Rodgers has the raw materials to knock together a passable defence.

[Guest Kopfkino]

1 hour ago, ttfn said:

If somebody had told you at the start of last season that we could - if so inclined - pick a back 4 of Castagne-Evans-Soyuncu-Bertrand with Schmeichel in goal would you really expect us to have two clean sheets in 20+ games this season?

 

Injuries don’t help but Rodgers has the raw materials to knock together a passable defence.

Yeah you’d think the way people talked about the injuries that these players were being replaced by the U16s or something. The players we’ve been able to put out should be able to manage more than 2 clean sheets - incidentally against one of the lowest scoring teams in PL and one of the lowest scoring teams in the CH

[Area88]

15 hours ago, volpeazzurro said:

To be 8th in the league is to prove how shite the Premiership is this year. 

I disagree. Chelsea are very, very strong so are Liverpool, Man Utd and Man City.

[leicesterseddon]

Won’t do anything this year unless we improve the defence. 
 

Sticking with the same formation at the back between now and Xmas should be the priority. 
 

Even after we lose, Rodgers should resist the temptation to tinker. We will never build form/confidence that way. 

[volpeazzurro]

2 hours ago, Area88 said:

I disagree. Chelsea are very, very strong so are Liverpool, Man Utd and Man City.

Is that the Man Utd we whooped who are only a couple of points above us? We have been playing absolutely shockingly for such a long time and are still above most of the others, that really can't be good. Absolutely yes, the top 3 are exceptional and possibly the best in Europe. So where does that leave us? Three quarters up an expensive media hyped shit heap?

[Grebfromgrebland]

Looks like we're not over or under performing