Spurs 1-3 A Post Match Thread

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

1 hour ago, CrispinLA in Texas said:

In the Roma game I was astonished how big and strong their back for was and how Smalling was marshalling VVD style. We just looked tiny compared to them 

And Roma were astonished at how quick we were and thought they got away with it. 

[Clever Fox]

2 hours ago, Pliskin said:

When you look at top, top . Like Liverpool, Man , Chelsea and even Roma to some , they have a presence about them. Quite a few big players and that’s something we desperately lack, we’re such a weak team that when we’re off it like we were , we may as well not even be playing because the opponents have it so easy. 

Man City out of the top sides has some light players like Sterling but their all top players and very clever with it. Not alone are we light weight but we don't have the same quality of player in all departments. When you add in the lack of real pace in the side, the abilty to beat a man and the physical difference between our team and as you right say,Lilverpool Chelsea and even Roma on Thursday. You begin to see whar a mess BR has made of recruitment.  Look what WHs recruitment has done for them in recent times. Dawson Zouma and Diope at the back.

Rice and Soucek in midfield and Antonio up top with his powerful presence. You scan urely how how much of a disadvantage we're at. Is it any wonder coming up against these types that we keep losing goals and can't score at Set pieces.

Trying to make players into what they're not is another misrake. I understand it in a needs must situation like injuries. Trying to make Daka and Kelechi into the new Vardy is unlikely ro work.

But I'd guarantee playing Kelechi alonside an Antonio or Abrahams or Richarlson would get double figures every season.

The other reason Liverpool are so good is because Klopp targets a player to do the exact job he want's doing. But he makes sure they are big and strong first and also talented.

This is where Brendan is going wrong.  

 

We've simply just got to address that inbalance this Window otherwise I feel we'll struggle next season and he'll be gone.

[RumbleFox]

Tbf, and I’m not dismissing the whole concept, Man City have the third smallest team in the league. 
 

EDIT: Actually I checked again and the most recent data suggests the smallest two teams in the league are Liverpool and Man City so actually I am dismissing the whole concept you nobsacks. X 

Edited 1 May 2022 by RumbleFox

[Pliskin]

17 minutes ago, Clever Fox said:

Man City out of the top sides has some light players like Sterling but their all top players and very clever with it. Not alone are we light weight but we don't have the same quality of player in all departments. When you add in the lack of real pace in the side, the abilty to beat a man and the physical difference between our team and as you right say,Lilverpool Chelsea and even Roma on Thursday. You begin to see whar a mess BR has made of recruitment.  Look what WHs recruitment has done for them in recent times. Dawson Zouma and Diope at the back.

Rice and Soucek in midfield and Antonio up top with his powerful presence. You scan urely how how much of a disadvantage we're at. Is it any wonder coming up against these types that we keep losing goals and can't score at Set pieces.

Trying to make players into what they're not is another misrake. I understand it in a needs must situation like injuries. Trying to make Daka and Kelechi into the new Vardy is unlikely ro work.

But I'd guarantee playing Kelechi alonside an Antonio or Abrahams or Richarlson would get double figures every season.

The other reason Liverpool are so good is because Klopp targets a player to do the exact job he want's doing. But he makes sure they are big and strong first and also talented.

This is where Brendan is going wrong.  

 

We've simply just got to address that inbalance this Window otherwise I feel we'll struggle next season and he'll be gone.

We’re definitely imbalanced, and we’re one more poor window away from doing an Everton. Man City still have some big powerful players, Particularly at the heart of defence. Sterling is pretty strong though, even for a slight player: 

 

I think alot of it has to do with Brendan’s philosophy and the way he approaches the game. A lot of his sides historically were the same, Liverpool were saved by Suarez and Coutinho, take both of them out and they were pretty ordinary. 
 

We have played some horrendous stuff this season, off the ball our movement can be gross, and we’re seriously frail when key players are missing, however the biggest issue I have with Brendan is the fact out counter attacking play has become so sporadic that it’s almost none existent. It’s almost like he can’t get the team going when he hasn’t got the key players available. I think he’s a decent coach, he’s stubborn, often gets tactically out thought and often out fought. He’s done some great things here, and some hideous things too. 
 

Problem is, we could be better on a more consistent basis, the question is how do we get that? 

[Clever Fox]

36 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

We’re imbalanced, and we’re one more window away from doing an Everton. Man still have some big powerful players, Particularly at the heart of defence. Sterling is pretty strong though, even for a slight player: 

 

I think alot of it has to do with Brendan’s and the way he approaches the game. A lot of his sides historically were the same, Liverpool were saved by Suarez and Coutinho, take both of them out and they were pretty ordinary. 
 

We have played some stuff this season, off our movement can be gross, and we’re seriously frail when key players are missing, the biggest issue I have with Brendan is the out counter attacking play has become so sporadic that it’s none existent. It’s like he can’t get the team going when he hasn’t got the key players available. I think he’s a decent coach, he’s stubborn, gets tactically out thought and often out fought. He’s done some great things here, and some hideous things too. 
 

Problem is, we could be better on a more consistent , is how do we get that? 

I agree with all you say it's spot on.

 

How you fix it and get to the next level is fix one or two things at a time.

 

I'd strip the squad of most of the fringe players for a start. We need to just get them off the Books then go from there. I'd also get rid of a couple of 1st teamsers.

I'd start with signing a new mobile strong striker who's good in the air and can play a bit. That would certainly add more Goals and bring others into play or keep defenders occupied.

I'd sign the RW we so badly need. I'd also sign a strong midfielder to play alongside NDiddi who can pick out a forward pass. While also offering defensive cover at Corners etc. 

If the funds allow I'd sign another CB to play with Fofana long term and use Evans as cover.

Then I'd encourage the team to play a more flexible game by mixing  it up with long and short balls and turning defenders to face their own goal. This would stop them stepping forward and

squezeing the middle ground. Which is where a lot of our attacks breakdown. In short let the Ball do the work.

 

Get the right players in and we certainly would be touching in and around the top 4 for a few seasons. 

[Guest Col city fan]

8 minutes ago, Clever Fox said:

I agree with all you say it's spot on.

 

How you fix it and get to the next level is fix one or two things at a time.

 

I'd strip the squad of most of the fringe players for a start. We need to just get them off the Books then go from there. I'd also get rid of a couple of 1st teamsers.

I'd start with signing a new mobile strong striker who's good in the air and can play a bit. That would certainly add more Goals and bring others into play or keep defenders occupied.

I'd sign the RW we so badly need. I'd also sign a strong midfielder to play alongside NDiddi who can pick out a forward pass. While also offering defensive cover at Corners etc. 

If the funds allow I'd sign another CB to play with Fofana long term and use Evans as cover.

Then I'd encourage the team to play a more flexible game by mixing  it up with long and short balls and turning defenders to face their own goal. This would stop them stepping forward and

squezeing the middle ground. Which is where a lot of our attacks breakdown. In short let the Ball do the work.

 

Get the right players in and we certainly would be touching in and around the top 4 for a few seasons. 

We need another good CB. Like I said at the start of this season, we are weak in that position. Evans will not stay fit for a run of games. If we had Fofana and another, leaving Evans and Soyuncu, to come in as replacements, we’d be ok in that position. Bin off Amartey and Vestie. Both rubbish at this level

Then we need a proper right winger. I’d like the lad from Watford now they are basically doomed to relegation. 
And exactly as I said last summer, I’d love to see us sign Ward-Prowse. Both for set peices and midfield energy, he’d make a big difference.

‘Finally, sell Iheanacho and replace him with a better player. Vardy, Daka and another would do.

Edited 1 May 2022 by Col city fan

[East Langton Fox]

“We don’t have enough aggression when defending corners” I’ve just seen Brendan on MOTD. He’s had long enough to ensure that they so have whatever is required to stop our opponents always ALWAYS looking like they will score against us at a corner. 
Absolutely ridiculous. 

[trabuch]

I missed the match today (airplane mode). But if MOTD is anything to go by (which I am well aware it probably isn't) our 2nd team wasn't as bad as the scoreline indicated. And I definitely dislike Spurs. I don't like us losing to them.. ever, even if we don't really give a shit..

[SouthStandUpperTier]

Just now, East Langton Fox said:

“We don’t have enough aggression when defending corners” I’ve just seen Brendan on MOTD. He’s had long enough to ensure that they so have whatever is required to stop our opponents always ALWAYS looking like they will score against us at a corner. 
Absolutely ridiculous. 

We are undoubtedly crap at corners, but it was actually a very clever routine by Spurs to release Kane by setting what in American sports is known as a pick or a screen on Amartey. Wish we would try something like that for our own corners, but probably won't.

[East Langton Fox]

Soyuncu has just had a roasting from Deeney and Woodgate in MOTD. They are right though. He bottled that challenge and it cost a goal. 

[Jaspa]

Crucial goal aswell, made it 2-0. We need players who are committed, mentally and physically.

[trabuch]

3 minutes ago, East Langton Fox said:

Soyuncu has just had a roasting from Deeney and Woodgate in MOTD. They are right though. He bottled that challenge and it cost a goal. 

Spot on. He needs to see that and understand it.

[Claridge]

1 hour ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

And Roma were astonished at how quick we were and thought they got away with it. 

If we had played our first team today I think we would of won, but we may have got key players injured. We have to focus on Thursday and when we win, Rodgers will be lauded. If we lose he had better play his strongest team until the end of season and win a few games. He will be under a lot of pressure next season if we don’t have a good start. I believe in Rodgers and think our first team is pretty good. Hope it shows from now until the end of the season

[FOXYTALK]

Anyone else thought spurs got lucky when Son handled at the start of the game. Surely not a clear handball. 

[Clever Fox]

3 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

We need another good CB. Like I said at the start of this season, we are weak in that position. Evans will not stay fit for a run of games. If we had Fofana and another, leaving Evans and Soyuncu, to come in as replacements, we’d be ok in that position. Bin off Amartey and Vestie. Both rubbish at this level

Then we need a proper right winger. I’d like the lad from Watford now they are doomed to relegation. 
And as I said last summer, I’d love to see us sign Ward-Prowse. Both for set peices and midfield , he’d make a .

‘Finally, sell Iheanacho and replace him with a better player. Vardy, Daka and another would do.

Yes L'd sign a new CB and I'd sell Soyuncu in the Summer while we can get good money for him. He's too inconsistant and on too big a salary to be a standby CB.

Vesty I had included in the Fringe players.

I'd keep Evans as Standby, experience and know how to help the younger players and knowing his career is coming to an end.

Amartey I'd be happy to keep as cover or sell. Especially if we got a good offer for him, simple because he's not on a huge salary. I know he has a mistake in him but gives it his all when asked to play. 

I suspect we might have a deal done for Beradi for the right wing. But the Watford lad is not a bad shout except he might cost a lot.

Ward Prowse would also cost too much and probably too similar to Maddison. 

Iheanacho is a proven goal scorer at this level, With the right support player alongside him he'd continue to score double figures every season.

Vardy is still number one but next season may be his last. Daka possibly needs another season to develop but so far he's hasn't shown to consistancy to be a top striker. 

What we really need is that alternative type of player, Strength Pace and Power in the Box who consistantly wins headers and can play a bit.

 

But really we need to get rid of between 6 to 10 players including first teamers. There's no sentiment in Football.

 

The problem is while Brendan has done a decent job. ( you cannot dismiss a Cup Win and 2 top 6 finishes. ) I'm still unsure if he's the man who can bring about those changes.

[Clever Fox]

4 minutes ago, FOXYTALK said:

Anyone else thought spurs got lucky when Son handled at the start of the game. Surely not a clear handball. 

Yes that was a clear hand Ball, Where was Var. More big Club bias.

[trabuch]

4 minutes ago, FOXYTALK said:

Anyone else thought spurs got lucky when Son handled at the start of the game. Surely not a clear handball. 

He elbowed it. There was clear movement towards the ball imo.

[Twitcher]

6 hours ago, jamesp26 said:

I'd love nothing more than that too. Man City and Liverpool do it with experience and very deep pockets. We don't have either right now, so we are at that level where we do have to compromise. 

 

And i agree. We need to be strong against Everton regardless. Today they got a pass (imho).

Thursday's not about trying to get through to win the thing. Rodgers didn't even know what the competition was. I agree with him. It's Europe's Johnstone Paint Trophy. The silverware means nothing. The only prize is having another go at the Europa League, but if that is at the expense of our league position through resting players, the whole thing becomes pointless. If we haven't got a squad that can compete on both fronts, then best avoiding being in it, and we can smile as we see the likes of Wolves and West Ham struggle to do the Thursday / Sunday routine. 

[dmayne7]

14 minutes ago, FOXYTALK said:

Anyone else thought spurs got lucky when Son handled at the start of the game. Surely not a clear handball. 

Should have been given especially as it denied a shot on goal. Of course it wasn't and yet the Amartey booking needing checking for a possible red when there was nothing in it.

[Daggers]

Didn’t bother watching. Couldn’t be arsed to listen. Sums up where I am with Rodgers and his side these days. 

[Chelmofox]

9 hours ago, Twitcher said:

Thursday's not about trying to get through to win the thing. Rodgers didn't even know what the competition was. I agree with him. It's Europe's Johnstone Paint Trophy. The silverware means nothing. The only prize is having another go at the Europa League, but if that is at the expense of our league position through resting players, the whole thing becomes pointless. If we haven't got a squad that can compete on both fronts, then best avoiding being in it, and we can smile as we see the likes of Wolves and West Ham struggle to do the Thursday / Sunday routine. 

Too much is made of Brendan's comments post the Napoli game. I thought he was explaining he didn't know much about it because he was focussed on the Europa competition. But in true Brendan style, he did it with such a dour way, it was impossible to tell what he truly meant. 

 

Anyhow, this isn't Europe's Johnstone Paint Trophy, and resting players has not been pointless. Any how, how can you expect out 1st 11 to play 3 times in 7 days, regardless of what the fixtures are.  Its 3rd tier Europe for sure, but its an inaugural competition that some top European clubs have taken seriously   If we want to become that club that regularly gets in the top 6, we are going to have to learn to rotate and be like this. 

 

And as for Wolves, they have struggled in the last Month without European football. 

[DanDare]

16 hours ago, EastAnglianFox said:

 

I didn't realise I was trying to strengthen any position?? What are you on about??

 

Enjoy your weekend, its lovely out, its not always about trying to laugh at others who have a differing of opinion. 

Here,here. Well said👍

[Dahnsouff]

Interesting what Brendan said about aggression, that either have it or you don’t,  sounds like he feels we have the old Spurs issue of being too nice. Something we certainly were not in 15/16.

Edited 2 May 2022 by Dahnsouff

[Weller Wing]

10 hours ago, FOXYTALK said:

Anyone else thought spurs got lucky when Son handled at the start of the game. Surely not a clear handball. 

I haven't seen it.

Was it shown on MOTD2?

[majaco]

10 hours ago, FOXYTALK said:

Anyone else thought spurs got lucky when Son handled at the start of the game. Surely not a clear handball. 

He was playing for an entitled 6 club at home.