Maddison for England analysis

[FraserS]

Hi,

 

I took an in-depth look at the reasons Maddison should be in the England squad for the World Cup but also the reasons why he may not get called up. Let me know what you think!

 

https://post-and-in.com/2022/10/31/deep-dive-is-there-a-place-for-james-maddison-in-the-england-world-cup-squad/

[davieG]

"Prior to making his England debut in November 2019, Maddison had pulled out of a fixture the previous international break through illness. On the night of the game, Maddison was pictured out late in a casino and Southgate subsequently said that player – who was 22 at the time – had an “increased spotlight on him”. Southgate did hand Maddison his debut the following month, but whether the England boss has completely put the incident to bed only he knows".

 

If that has any influence at all on whether he picks Madison then it shows him up as the biggest hypocrite in football considering the many others he selects whose behaviour has been bordering on the outrageous. Besides even the interpretation of the 'Casino' event has been grossly misreported.

[ClaphamFox]

Just now, davieG said:

"Prior to making his England debut in November 2019, Maddison had pulled out of a fixture the previous international break through illness. On the night of the game, Maddison was pictured out late in a casino and Southgate subsequently said that player – who was 22 at the time – had an “increased spotlight on him”. Southgate did hand Maddison his debut the following month, but whether the England boss has completely put the incident to bed only he knows".

 

If that has any influence at all on whether he picks Madison then it shows him up as the biggest hypocrite in football considering the many others he selects whose behaviour has been bordering on the outrageous. Besides even the interpretation of the 'Casino' event has been grossly misreported.

The same nonsense just keeps being spouted about the casino story. Maddison did not pull out of the squad. He had a cough and the England management were wary of putting him on a plane with the rest of the squad and potentially infecting them, so they didn't take him. He felt well enough to go to a casino on the night of the game. Southgate was asked about it and made some vague comments about him being under the spotlight, but obviously wasn't too upset about it as he gave Maddison his debut a month later.

That's it. Yet people still routinely trot out the line that Southgate doesn't pick Maddison because of the casino incident, which scarcely even qualifies as an 'incident'.

[filbertway]

This made me laugh. It's like he has a genuine dislike for Madders  The difference in the reference to "the spotlight" in both articles is amazing  

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/sep/07/englands-foden-and-greenwood-accused-of-breaking-covid-19-rules-by-inviting-women-to-hotel-room

 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7568705/Gareth-Southgate-warns-James-Maddison-spotted-casino-following-withdrawal-squad.html

 

[AjcW]

2 minutes ago, filbertway said:

This made me laugh. It's like he has a genuine dislike for Madders  The difference in the reference to "the spotlight" in both articles is amazing  

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/sep/07/englands-foden-and-greenwood-accused-of-breaking-covid-19-rules-by-inviting-women-to-hotel-room

 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7568705/Gareth-Southgate-warns-James-Maddison-spotted-casino-following-withdrawal-squad.html

 

Made even more ridiculous by the fact one of those in the favourable article is about to go to jail...

[Guest Sharpe's Fox]

I hope he doesn't go. I'd rather he have the 6 weeks off than being de-coached by football terrorist Gareth Southgate.

[Fear Of The Fox]

If people think the casino incident is one of the reasons he's not getting the call, our national teams historically should have been full of League One and League Two players... 

[Super_horns]

10 minutes ago, Fear Of The Fox said:

If people think the casino incident is one of the reasons he's not getting the call, our national teams historically should have been full of League One and League Two players... 

 Not sure though having seen those articles .

 

One talks about backing players who broke COVID rules (maybe Southgate didn’t think it was a serious issue?)

whereas allegedly Maddison was “warned” although given its the Mail could be inaccurate!!

 

Sounds like Southgate was a little peeved at the time and might still be ?

[Lambert09]

football is a game of personalities. There is every chance he simply doesn’t like maddison for whatever reason.  
 

But one thing worth remembering, Grealish, whilst operating as #10 also couldn’t get in the side. It was only when he fully embraced being a winger that he eventually  gave in and gave him a chance. 

 

Gareth has a system he wants to play? if he doesn’t see maddison as a fit then he’s not going to bring him just to please the wider view. I don’t like it but it’s better than him going to a tournament with no chance of minutes.  Mads may be playing out wide for us now but even we don’t see it as a good fit for him. 

 

Better for us if he’s at home l

Edited 1 November 2022 by Lambert09

[David Hankey]

If Maddison was at a so-called "top" club he'd be in the squad. It's as simple as that.

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, David Hankey said:

If Maddison was at a so-called "top" club he'd be in the squad. It's as simple as that.

There are plenty of criticisms you could level at Southgate but I don't think top club bias is really one of them. There are plenty of players who play for teams outside that bracket (or broke into the setup while doing so) that are regular fixtures in his squads and equally he is happy to not play, or leave out altogether, players like Smalling when he was at Man Utd and Alexander-Arnold.

[David Hankey]

7 minutes ago, Guest said:

There are plenty of criticisms you could level at Southgate but I don't think top club bias is really one of them. There are plenty of players who play for teams outside that bracket (or broke into the setup while doing so) that are regular fixtures in his squads and equally he is happy to not play, or leave out altogether, players like Smalling when he was at Man Utd and Alexander-Arnold.

Well we'll see when he moves on.

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, David Hankey said:

Well we'll see when he moves on.

Well I think we probably did see when Maguire became a regular when playing for us, Phillips for Leeds, Rice for West Ham, Coady for Wolves, Mings for Villa etc. There is clearly something about Maddison other than his football ability that Southgate doesn't like but I don't think it's the fact he doesn't play for a traditionally top club.

[He aint bald]

I never actually read the details of the casino saga so also did a google

 

90mins.com, did not give any details of his wild behaviour..... but I suppose it was like calling in sick for the night shift and then sitting in the beer garden of the next door pub with half a shandy.

These two extracts...have not aged well, as they say

Should the 22-year-old maintain his level of performances at club level, Southgate will likely have little choice but to include him in his next group.

Leicester, meanwhile, currently find themselves fourth in the Premier League. Under Brendan Rodgers, the Foxes have established themselves as one of England's most exciting sides, and Maddison has certainly been key to that.

 

Edit. having read more, more like being sent home sick for the week on the Monday and sitting in the beer garden with half a shandy on the Wednesday

Edited 1 November 2022 by He aint bald

[justfoxes]

5 hours ago, Fear Of The Fox said:

If people think the casino incident is one of the reasons he's not getting the call, our national teams historically should have been full of League One and League Two players... 

I just don’t think that’s the reason really if it is Southgate is the biggest Cockwomble in football, the trouble is with Southgate he relies on the same old out of form top 6 players rather than players that are consistently inform and out performing those favourites of Southgate he just can’t ignore the quality of the stats these players out of the Top 6 are week in week out out performing the ones that should be no where near the England Squad ! 
 

Ivan Toney James Maddison Callum Wilson  to name a few are much better options than the usual Southgate failures who constantly fail to bring any tournament winning performances the same failures he picks every time ignoring the same quality players every time he picks an international squad !

 

The reason Jamie Vardy gave up International football he’d rather be with his family & concentrate on his club football rather than constantly being sat on the bench being ignored over out of form players who were misfiring both in league and international football, Southgate was naive in mismanaging Vardy who taken to Russia World Cup was kept on the bench rather than playing instead of a then misfiring Kane one of the reasons the FA should have changed Southgate long before we got to the World Cup, I can see us just make it out of our group but bound to be knocked out early & if we are he needs to be relieved of his management duties !

 

But even tho he’s not my favourite for England manager and haven’t got much faith in his managerial ability to win us a major trophy, reports are saying Tuchel wants the England job but I’d rather have a decent quality British manager !

 

 

 

[NewEnglandFox]

When Southgate is in the stands he plays like shit. That is my analysis.

[HybridFox]

The buzz when Vardy was in the squad going into a tournament is the same how I'd feel about Maddison now. The last Euros was a good p*** up but it just didn't feel the same without a vested interest. He not only deserves to be going to the world cup but should be there as our star man.

 

The cynical part of me knows if Southgate was serious, he'd have used him by now. May end up selecting him to earn a few brownie points with the media but totally ignore him Vardy-esque.

[ozleicester]

10 hours ago, He aint bald said:

Leicester, meanwhile, currently find themselves fourth in the Premier League. Under Brendan Rodgers, the Foxes have established themselves as one of England's most exciting sides, and Maddison has certainly been key to that.

and so we can assume the rest of the article is fake  news

[Super_horns]

4 hours ago, ozleicester said:

and so we can assume the rest of the article is fake  news

Don’t think it’s the most recent of articles tbf !

 

 

 

[Super_horns]

9 hours ago, NewEnglandFox said:

When Southgate is in the stands he plays like shit. That is my analysis.

He was at the recent game v Palace which was 0-0 of course and Maddison got booked for diving..

 

I don’t know how he played generally though .

Edited 2 November 2022 by Super_horns

[Ric Flair]

Maddison is in the provisional 55 man squad, Harvey Barnes isn't though I don't think. Not sure on Jamea Justin either.

 

26 man squad is named next week so what's the chances of Maddison having an absolute howler on Saturday vs Everton and not selected and then in the final game before the World Cup he scores a hattrick vs West Ham and everyone is in uproar.

[filbertway]

This 55 man squad is hands down the most pointless thing I think I have ever seen in my life

 

[Sampson]

13 minutes ago, filbertway said:

This 55 man squad is hands down the most pointless thing I think I have ever seen in my life

 

It’s for Visa reasons I think. They have to send all their names to the Qatari authorities to give time to process all their Visas, hence why you can’t select anyone outside that 55 man squat.

[filbertway]

32 minutes ago, Sampson said:

It’s for Visa reasons I think. They have to send all their names to the Qatari authorities to give time to process all their Visas, hence why you can’t select anyone outside that 55 man squat.

They can knock up about 8 stadiums  in 4/5 years but can't process 1000 odd visas in a week or so

 

Red tape even gets the better of the Qataris

 

[Chrysalis]

He will get in a when a big club rings the FA they need to tap him up, then when in the squad he will be told to keep his place he needs to move to said club, thats how England callups work ladies and gentleman.