Will Alves

[urban.spaceman]

8 minutes ago, Miquel The Work Geordie said:

 

Why is it understandable? 

Cooper's shit.

[Ric Flair]

Would love to know why the club deemed the potential loan moves that came in for him not suitable. 

[coolhandfox]

2 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Would love to know why the club deemed the potential loan moves that came in for him not suitable. 

Unless he didn't want to go on loan?

[Kierzz]

23 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Would love to know why the club deemed the potential loan moves that came in for him not suitable. 

The clubs probably only wanted him as squad option so likely wouldn't get many minutes. Or Alves may have not wanted to move too far from Leicester.

[Jimmy]

1 hour ago, Miquel The Work Geordie said:

 

Why is it understandable? 

which academy graduate should have played? Hamza? Luke Thomas? Iversen? We started El Khannouss and brought Bounonotte on so even if Alves had been on the bench its unlikely you use 3 number 10s in the same game

[Gamble92]

Cooper just isn't a position where he has the luxury of playing him. If we play a few academy lads against Walsall and lose, the pressure is seriously on. We just aren't in the position to do it. 

 

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Gamble92 said:

Cooper just isn't a position where he has the luxury of playing him. If we play a few academy lads against Walsall and lose, the pressure is seriously on. We just aren't in the position to do it. 

 

I think getting our best young players minutes and experience is a necessity, not a luxury. If he doesn't want to chuck the likes of Alves into a relegation six pointer then fair enough but if we're not going to give them starts against League Two teams in the early rounds of a cup competition I'm assuming we currently don't really give a shit about, when are we?

[Gamble92]

28 minutes ago, Guest said:

I think getting our best young players minutes and experience is a necessity, not a luxury. If he doesn't want to chuck the likes of Alves into a relegation six pointer then fair enough but if we're not going to give them starts against League Two teams in the early rounds of a cup competition I'm assuming we currently don't really give a shit about, when are we?

I'd agree usually but you have to see the point I'm making. I think those being most vocal about Cooper didn't need much of an excuse to start criticising him and in fairness so far he hasn't exactly proved anyone wrong. He isn't going to risk losing a match by playing 3rd or 4th choice players at this stage. If we stay up I'm sure he would do so next season. 

 

You say don't give a shit but you come on this place if we lose and see how many people don't give a shit. It further builds a narrative he isn't right for the job.

 

 

Edited 23 September 2024 by Gamble92

[Ric Flair]

1 hour ago, coolhandfox said:

Unless he didn't want to go on loan?

Possibly, just the way Cooper worded it suggested it was the clubs view. 

 

53 minutes ago, Kierzz said:

The clubs probably only wanted him as squad option so likely wouldn't get many minutes. Or Alves may have not wanted to move too far from Leicester.

Maybe so, this is where the loans manager or whoever responsibility it is to negotiate these deals earns their money. For example the DOF at Barnsley is our ex head of analytics Mladen Sormaz and Alves was loosely linked with them. It sounded an ideal destination but for whatever reason didn't happen.

[Jimmy]

hopefully we see Alves and Golding start in the cup

[HitchinFox]

1 hour ago, Ric Flair said:

Would love to know why the club deemed the potential loan moves that came in for him not suitable. 

Because the person in charge of loans isn't terribly bright, to the point of being incapable of working out the complexities of wearing a face mask correctly.*






* Yes yes, I don't know for sure it's Rudkin that is in charge of loans and blah blah blah, but in my mind he's the reason for everything that goes wrong, including me stepping in a massive puddle this morning when getting out of my car.

[niyaminski]

2 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

 

 

How do I watch/listen to the interview?

[Noahfence]

Pretty disappointing that record has gone. 

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, Gamble92 said:

I'd agree usually but you have to see the point I'm making. I think those being most vocal about Cooper didn't need much of an excuse to start criticising him and in fairness so far he hasn't exactly proved anyone wrong. He isn't going to risk losing a match by playing 3rd or 4th choice players at this stage. If we stay up I'm sure he would do so next season. 

 

You say don't give a shit but you come on this place if we lose and see how many people don't give a shit. It further builds a narrative he isn't right for the job.

 

 

Oh I completely see the point. If there does come a time where Alves is playing regularly for us, it will almost certainly be long after Cooper has left and after an at best underwhelming start he could do without us getting embarrassed. I'm just more keen for our brightest young talents to get real opportunities where it makes sense - particularly if they're not going to go out on loan - than I am for Cooper to buy himself what, another week if that? Losing would obviously not help his case but if we go another five winless in the league then nobody is going to be saying no you can't sack him because he's guided us to the third round of the Carabo Cup. I've said this elsewhere so apologies for repeating myself but there is always going to be a reason not to give youth a chance, always something important we're competing for that we need to prioritise instead. If we can't risk starting him in this game then I have to assume the same is going to apply for every league and cup game. We then get to the end of the season and unless he gets a loan in January he'll have spent it watching our games from the stands and playing with/against academy kids he's outgrown, having already had his development interrupted by that Wolves thug. It just seems like a waste to me.

 

When I say we don't give a shit, I mean the club are plainly going to have their priorities this season and I'm assuming it goes staying up, then a huge gaping chasm to the FA Cup, then another chasm to the Carabao. If/when he gets the sack it's going to be because we're in serious danger of getting relegated, not because our reserves lost to Walsall. You mention the narrative he isn't right for the job but one of the few supposed plus points behind his appointment was his previous work with young players - if he'd rather give cup minutes to Ayew and Choudhury than Alves then his pros column is looking extraordinarily bare. Besides which, I'm pretty sure the decision makers at the club couldn't care much less about our opinions on anything, especially not something as important as binning a manager.

[foxinsocks]

Other clubs play their kids - why won't we?

[foxile5]

1 minute ago, foxinsocks said:

Other clubs play their kids - why won't we?

I mean... We have for 147 games. 

 

Perhaps this is the snooker they felt enhanced the maximum break value?

[Realist Guy In The Room]

It'd be typical for him to turn out to be dogturd.

 

[Gamble92]

50 minutes ago, Realist Guy In The Room said:

It'd be typical for him to turn out to be dogturd.

 

You always become a much better player when you aren't playing. We've had many players down the years who were going to come into the team and be the saviour. Then they play and we can see exactly why they weren't in the team. 

[Free Falling Foxes]

1 hour ago, niyaminski said:

How do I watch/listen to the interview?

Assume article is available on Leicestershire Live but would you really wish visit that site?

[coolhandfox]

3 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

Possibly, just the way Cooper worded it suggested it was the clubs view. 

Just wonder if that was part of the new deal, I will sign as long as I'm around the first team.

[Ric Flair]

2 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

Just wonder if that was part of the new deal, I will sign as long as I'm around the first team.

Jordan Blackwell has responded to me and said from what he's been told, the club were extremely surprised with the lack of interest in him on loan from the level they were expecting.

 

So I can well see why they've not bothered, further annoyance that we didn't get him exposed in pre-season instead of playing Choudhury in the hole.

[Viva]

2 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

Jordan Blackwell has responded to me and said from what he's been told, the club were extremely surprised with the lack of interest in him on loan from the level they were expecting.

 

So I can well see why they've not bothered, further annoyance that we didn't get him exposed in pre-season instead of playing Choudhury in the hole.

Maybe he's just not quite as good as people are hoping for, if he's not attracting much Championship interest? If he has to drop down to League One for a loan in January, then I think that would be the best move for him. Needs to be able see what he can do on a regular basis. 

[niyaminski]

9 minutes ago, Viva said:

Maybe he's just not quite as good as people are hoping for, if he's not attracting much Championship interest? If he has to drop down to League One for a loan in January, then I think that would be the best move for him. Needs to be able see what he can do on a regular basis. 

He’s been looking good in his cameos.

[Ric Flair]

21 minutes ago, Viva said:

Maybe he's just not quite as good as people are hoping for, if he's not attracting much Championship interest? If he has to drop down to League One for a loan in January, then I think that would be the best move for him. Needs to be able see what he can do on a regular basis. 

Well the club clearly don't view it that way, hence why they didn't let him go. I presume they wanted a Championship loan move, which makes sense. But the bottom line is he needs to play. A move to an ambitious League One club for example would still represent a good challenge for him for at least 6 months.

 

As I've said, I do wonder if we've lost a bit of momentum with loan deals and reputations etc. Some good loans from the crop that have gone this summer will hopefully bring back in to focus our academy players for clubs in the leagues below us.

 

Put it this way, certain PL clubs who had x 3 England U20 players in their academy would get all 3 loan moves to very good clubs, where as we've got Nelson at Oxford, Braybrooke at Dundee and Alves has stayed put. There's an art to it as well as clubs knowing certain academies are a gold mine for picking up loans.

[CosbehFox]

13 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

Jordan Blackwell has responded to me and said from what he's been told, the club were extremely surprised with the lack of interest in him on loan from the level they were expecting.

 

So I can well see why they've not bothered, further annoyance that we didn't get him exposed in pre-season instead of playing Choudhury in the hole.

That's illustrative to how he's in and out of the U21s plus barely got a kick in pre-season. Clubs needed to see that he was fully fit. As it stands the only football he appears to be consistently getting is England youth stuff. 

 

Clearly we aren't doing enough either to make the right links with the right person for loanees too.