Rudkin

[Iwebema]

6 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

Was there much in the way of chants directed toward Rudkin and the board yesterday during the debacle? 

Yes Sack the board and we want Rudkin out got a good rendition most of the game. I didn't attend but some friends who did said there was less resistance by the clappers after Everton scored their 3rd. They couldn't really defend them any longer.

Edited 2 February by Iwebema

[Dames]

I think in hindsight the lack of PSR sanctions will turn out to be a bad thing because by the time the next set of sanctions will roll around we will be in much deeper trouble and it will be too late. We really needed something to happen where this man had to take accountability for how the sporting operations of the club have been run instead getting off on a technicality has just made them more arrogant. 
 

We won’t be able to appoint another Maresca and the football league are salivating at the prospect of punishing us and you best believe the PL will want their pound of flesh for the embarrassment we caused them. We are heading for oblivion and it is solely the fault of this man. 

[Happy Fox]

1 minute ago, Dames said:

I think in hindsight the lack of PSR sanctions will turn out to be a bad thing because by the time the next set of sanctions will roll around we will be in much deeper trouble and it will be too late. We really needed something to happen where this man had to take accountability for how the sporting operations of the club have been run instead getting off on a technicality has just made them more arrogant. 
 

We won’t be able to appoint another Maresca and the football league are salivating at the prospect of punishing us and you best believe the PL will want their pound of flesh for the embarrassment we caused them. We are heading for oblivion and it is solely the fault of this man. 

Top is equally if not more culpable.

[FrankieADZ]

7 minutes ago, Happy Fox said:

Top is equally if not more culpable.

yeah cos he just let it happen,plus rudkin is still in a job

[UniFox21]

12 hours ago, CL Fox said:

Just trying to think of a chant that sums up his role as we can't possibly hold the Director of football to account for the state of the football as we don't know what he signs off on.

 

"We don't know what you're doing"?

Director of Football? You're having a laugh!

[Raj]

[Aus Fox]

13 hours ago, CL Fox said:

Just trying to think of a chant that sums up his role as we can't possibly hold the Director of football to account for the state of the football as we don't know what he signs off on.

 

"We don't know what you're doing"?

They left cos you’re shit

they left cos you’re shit

All those free transfers

they left cos you’re shit

[Babylon]

15 hours ago, honeybradger said:

Rudkin's supposed to be the person who brings in the head scout and sits above them in the recruitment process.

 

Whilst Sporting Directors arent the ones that identify players themselves, they are responsible for identifying the profile of player for the scouting team to look for and reviewing the options put forwards, contacting the players and eventually green lighting the transfer.

 

Saying that Rudkin doesnt pick the player is ridiculous, the Sporting Director has to be involved in the transfer strategy of the club and be the first and last voice on all transfers. If he's not we need to bring in someone who can actually undertake the role of Sporting Director properly.

You can’t even get his job title right so that says all you need to know.

 

He doesn’t pick players, he’s not a scout. What part of that do you not understand? 
 

Does he pick the head of recruitment yeah, does he get invoked in strategy, he should be. Will he be involved in financials, obviously to a degree… but he doesn’t pick a player.

 

He should absolutely not be getting involved in either selecting a player and saying no to a player on the grounds of his opinion of their skill or worth. He’s not qualified to make that judgement. 

[Babylon]

12 hours ago, lanefox said:

Apart from @Babylon who I'm convinced is Rudkin or associated to him

Yeah that’s it. Quite amazing how many people on here can’t actually read. 

[Ric Flair]

8 minutes ago, Babylon said:

You can’t even get his job title right so that says all you need to know.

 

He doesn’t pick players, he’s not a scout. What part of that do you not understand? 
 

Does he pick the head of recruitment yeah, does he get invoked in strategy, he should be. Will he be involved in financials, obviously to a degree… but he doesn’t pick a player.

 

He should absolutely not be getting involved in either selecting a player and saying no to a player on the grounds of his opinion of their skill or worth. He’s not qualified to make that judgement. 

In regards to Rudkin you are correct as he's got absolutely no track record in this field but many Directors of Football / Sporting Directors vast experience comes from being head of recruitment / scouting previously.

 

What Rudkin should be doing is ensuring the player profiles we go for fit with the culture and identity of our club and/or the manager and potential successors. That is where I am in utter disbelief because nobody can honestly lay claim to how we've gone about this in recent years with evidence of logic. It's utterly baffling.

 

The other thing that I'm not seeing with Rudkin is academy development. This is his expertise, it should be in the top three priorities of our football club, it's non negotiable that a manager doesn't do this. But there's no strong push for this from the outside looking in. The academy works tirelessly at lower age levels but the workings and set up at U18s and U21s has never really seen the investment and fanfare that I'd have expected with a vision and training ground we have been promised.

 

Twice we've had an opening for a new U21 manager and we've just left it to the assistant and in the end they've just quietly carried on with it. We can't be arsed and it shows.

[CL Fox]

Yeah he's not qualified to do the job because he's an over promoted youth coach who's managed to knife anyone at the club who knows that and has pulled the wool over tops eyes for years despite warnings from senior members of staff.

 

That's sort of a big problem and why he gets criticism.

 

I honestly can't believe there's still doubt that the director of football should be criticised for footballing matters 

Edited 2 February by CL Fox

[Fazzer 7]

34 minutes ago, Raj said:

He looks like a little lost man child. With the nonchalant looking Rudkin looking like he doesn't care and "it's not my fault". Show some backbone Top and get him out.

[Ric Flair]

The Norris Defence League alerts will be going off, scrambling around for their phones as we spaaaake.

[Babylon]

15 hours ago, CosbehFox said:

He doesn’t. But a good DoF at comparable clubs normally ‘screen checks’ and ‘quality checks’. The DoF also employs the recruitment director. 
 

There were so many questions marks on Okoli. Like Coady the previous summer. That anyone in his position should not be spending the amount of money we did on either. 
 

Richard Hughes at Liverpool, formerly of Bournemouth isn’t picking players but he’s totally ensuring that their signings follow a pattern of quality, potential and a logical succession path. 

He. Isn’t. A. Scout. He has zero experience of being a scout, zero experience of picking players. Why would anyone want him involved in that? We literally employ a team of people to make those decisions on a players ability. Having watched god knows how many hours of video or in person, pouring over data for days. And you expect him to rock up and just make a decision on a hunch or something?

 

Now, can you say he’s employed shit scouts, yeah. Can you say his strategy has been shit in allowing managers to dictate too much, yeah. 
 

But making out he should be involved in saying yes or no on a player based on HIS opinion of their level of skill, is frankly stupid. 
 

If the club wanted someone to make those decisions as the top, then they’d employ someone to make those decisions with experience of doing so. As it is, we employ a team of people below him with more experience and knowledge to suggest x or y player. 
 

Of course he’s still responsible for shit direction, but once again people saying he picked x or y player or shouldn’t have picked x or y player are just wrong. I don’t see people saying well done for any good players we sign… funny that .

 

[Babylon]

6 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

In regards to Rudkin you are correct as he's got absolutely no track record in this field but many Directors of Football / Sporting Directors vast experience comes from being head of recruitment / scouting previously.

 

What Rudkin should be doing is ensuring the player profiles we go for fit with the culture and identity of our club and/or the manager and potential successors. That is where I am in utter disbelief because nobody can honestly lay claim to how we've gone about this in recent years with evidence of logic. It's utterly baffling.

 

The other thing that I'm not seeing with Rudkin is academy development. This is his expertise, it should be in the top three priorities of our football club, it's non negotiable that a manager doesn't do this. But there's no strong push for this from the outside looking in. The academy works tirelessly at lower age levels but the workings and set up at U18s and U21s has never really seen the investment and fanfare that I'd have expected with a vision and training ground we have been promised.

 

Twice we've had an opening for a new U21 manager and we've just left it to the assistant and in the end they've just quietly carried on with it. We can't be arsed and it shows.

And all of that I agree with, I’ve said it myself a dozen times.

 

But if someone comes on here saying he picked x player, I’m going to say that’s not his f***** role. 
 

 

[CL Fox]

Scouting is an interesting one because hes overseen several scouts leave and not replaced in the same way - many of the players we sign are because of links to certain agents that the club like dealing with and again that's a major problem for a club like ours and has led to signings like Coady and Skipp who were vastly more expensive than we needed and leads to further problems with the finances.

[Raj]

2 minutes ago, Babylon said:

And all of that I agree with, I’ve said it myself a dozen times.

 

But if someone comes on here saying he picked x player, I’m going to say that’s not his f***** role. 
 

 

He signs it off and gives the go ahead👍🏾

Edited 2 February by Raj

[Claudio Fannieri]

As @Ric Flair and @Babylon have said he isn’t directly scouting individual players, so he is not directly to blame for recruiting players such as BDCR, Skipp, Ayew etc however he is directly involved in the decisions that allow the manager to push for certain profiles of players that don’t necessarily align with our *cough* strategy or direction, he is also involved in the negotiation of fees, wages and contract duration so he has to take responsibility for those aspects. 
 

Personally I don’t believe he is respected or has the gravitas to operate at the level he does, his limited network is really harming us and I truly believe we are overpaying on fees, wages and contract duration to compensate for his shortcomings. 

[Nick]

I blame Wellens.

 

who has apologised.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cx2yxvq9zr4o

[Babylon]

14 minutes ago, Raj said:

He signs it off and gives the go ahead👍🏾

Based on other people’s selections. Deciding if they are good enough should not be under his remit. 

[Raj]

2 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Based on other people’s selections. Deciding if they are good enough should not be under his remit. 

But somehow it is

[Clogger_]

2 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Based on other people’s selections. Deciding if they are good enough should not be under his remit. 

You seem very keen that Rudkin should take no accountability for significant sporting decisions? This is BS. His position requires strategic thinking, influence and judgement, but in your charitable reading he's an overpaid patsy?! LOL. Do you know him personally?

[brookfox]

Nobody will know his exact role but one way or another these all fall under the remit of football imo:

 

- our recruitment has been poor in recent years

- our managerial appointments haven’t followed a common identity

- our academy development and approach to loans and either selling or playing players isn’t good enough

- our approach to contracts has been farcical leading to PSR breaches

- we’ve let multiple players signed for large fees leave on free transfers

- we seem ill equipped for moving at pace in transfer windows

 

There’s loyalty Top, and then there’s just being completely blind to what’s staring you in the face.

 

[ClaphamNorthFox]

35 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

In regards to Rudkin you are correct as he's got absolutely no track record in this field but many Directors of Football / Sporting Directors vast experience comes from being head of recruitment / scouting previously.

 

What Rudkin should be doing is ensuring the player profiles we go for fit with the culture and identity of our club and/or the manager and potential successors. That is where I am in utter disbelief because nobody can honestly lay claim to how we've gone about this in recent years with evidence of logic. It's utterly baffling.

 

The other thing that I'm not seeing with Rudkin is academy development. This is his expertise, it should be in the top three priorities of our football club, it's non negotiable that a manager doesn't do this. But there's no strong push for this from the outside looking in. The academy works tirelessly at lower age levels but the workings and set up at U18s and U21s has never really seen the investment and fanfare that I'd have expected with a vision and training ground we have been promised.

 

Twice we've had an opening for a new U21 manager and we've just left it to the assistant and in the end they've just quietly carried on with it. We can't be arsed and it shows.

Totally agree with this, if for arguments sake when we got promoted the club said it would put its focus into developing the youth system and look to integrate that into our training facilities, and have a long term view for the first team. I would have accepted short term pain as there would be a plan. 
 

As it turns out we spent loads on players that can’t even get in this team, and at every level the club is run appallingly.  

[mozartfox]

17 minutes ago, Clogger_ said:

You seem very keen that Rudkin should take no accountability for significant sporting decisions? This is BS. His position requires strategic thinking, influence and judgement, but in your charitable reading he's an overpaid patsy?! LOL. Do you know him personally?

He is his brother.   No other explanation for blind support of abject failure.