Jobsworth Behaviour

[Tommy G]

1 hour ago, NAKC20 said:

Im assuming she had placed said baby in a baby carrier securely strapped on to the coach seat for the duration of the journey? Then again maybe not!! Really do wonder the thinking behind some people sometimes.

I thought the same 

[Brainy]

Thanks to MTWG early on I can't see this thread and not think of a young, pacey Nigerian left winger. 

[dsr-burnley]

6 hours ago, Costock_Fox said:

What have I just read 😂😂😂

 

Why is she taking a 6 month old to the football.

At risk of asking what you might think to be a silly question, why shouldn't a baby go to a football match?  I wouldn't want to take one myself, but if she's happy and the baby's happy, why not?

[FoyleFox]

15 minutes ago, dsr-burnley said:

At risk of asking what you might think to be a silly question, why shouldn't a baby go to a football match?  I wouldn't want to take one myself, but if she's happy and the baby's happy, why not?

It's against the stadium rules. Not just our stadium. Health and safety one assumes. 

[MPH]

This is nothing new for the king power stadium.  Kids need to be able to walk unaided to attend games.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1093238/Football-club-turns-family-away-bringing-baby-game.html

[fox_favourite]

I would never take a baby to a football stadium. It’s just daft!! Loud noises, crowds of people knocking into each other, sudden noises, potentially non safe environment. A baby doesn’t understand what is going on. 
 

People are bizarre at times. 

Edited 3 May 2023 by fox_favourite

[fox_favourite]

3 hours ago, dsr-burnley said:

At risk of asking what you might think to be a silly question, why shouldn't a baby go to a football match?  I wouldn't want to take one myself, but if she's happy and the baby's happy, why not?

You’re carrying your baby in a crowded Concourse and a slightly intoxicated person bumps into you completely by accident and knocks you over, while carrying your child? Or there is a fire and you need to leave in a rush with 30k people? What if someone lets off a flare, would you want a baby breathing that in? Did happen in the Everton end. Would you want a baby to experience sudden loud noise of goal music, crowd shouting and be in an environment they don’t understand? As a parent, I wouldn’t even consider it! Madness. Makes me cross. Smoking over babies is another thing that gets me? But that’s a different thread all together. 
 

If you’re in your own corporate box, in a non crowded box, in a controlled environment, maybe. But even then I personally wouldn’t even consider it! 
 

I do wonder where people’s common sense has gone these days! And I’m not even that old!!! 

 

Everyone seems so entitled to anything and just can’t accept and say “okay, fair play my bad”. Rules are there to protect people in most cases. 

Edited 3 May 2023 by fox_favourite

[Daggers]

It’s getting away from the point that clearly the woman was forcing three children to watc Everton - and that constitutes abuse in my book. They should have been at home learning something important like how to steal car wheels. 

[NAKC20]

7 hours ago, dsr-burnley said:

At risk of asking what you might think to be a silly question, why shouldn't a baby go to a football match?  I wouldn't want to take one myself, but if she's happy and the baby's happy, why not?

We went to watch Leicester Women last season at Tottenhams ground. There was a woman a couple of rows in front of us with a baby also around 6 months old. She must have been out of her seat 8-10 times during the match and everytime she went not only did she obviously take the baby she also took a rucksack the size of a Mini assuming containing nappies, change of clothes, milk, food, wipes etc.. (do football grounds have nappy changing facilities?) Would you want to be sat next to that for 90 minutes. As has also been mentioned there was a flare let off within the concourse before the Arsenal match just a few weeks ago certainly not a place for a 6 month old. 

[Captain...]

The problem is the ruling makes no sense. Walking unaided can be as young as 12 months and certainly includes 18 month olds. It would be even more dangerous for an 18-24 month old toddling around than a 6 month old that will be strapped in the whole time. All the arguments about it not being a safe place for a baby can be equally used at toddlers and small children. Just seems a really odd line to draw. I've not bought kids tickets, do you need to enter their age or just select child ticket? If she actively lied on the ticket form then I have less sympathy.

 

Either way once she is already in there with her family it is ridiculous behaviour to kick her out in that way. At least give her the chance to explain to the rest of her family what is happening and get the things she needs.

[dsr-burnley]

8 hours ago, fox_favourite said:

You’re carrying your baby in a crowded Concourse and a slightly intoxicated person bumps into you completely by accident and knocks you over, while carrying your child? Or there is a fire and you need to leave in a rush with 30k people? What if someone lets off a flare, would you want a baby breathing that in? Did happen in the Everton end. Would you want a baby to experience sudden loud noise of goal music, crowd shouting and be in an environment they don’t understand? As a parent, I wouldn’t even consider it! Madness. Makes me cross. Smoking over babies is another thing that gets me? But that’s a different thread all together. 
 

If you’re in your own corporate box, in a non crowded box, in a controlled environment, maybe. But even then I personally wouldn’t even consider it! 
 

I do wonder where people’s common sense has gone these days! And I’m not even that old!!! 

 

Everyone seems so entitled to anything and just can’t accept and say “okay, fair play my bad”. Rules are there to protect people in most cases. 

All those arguments are valid arguments to say that babies and children shouldn't be allowed in football grounds.  If you're at a match with a child of 10, what happens if you get knocked over in the crowd, or there is a fire and you need to leave in a rush with 30,000 people, or someone lets off a flare, would you want a ten year old breathing that in?  

 

Why shouldn't a baby that doesn't mind loud noises, be in an environment where there are loud noises?  Everywhere a baby goes is an environment it doesn't understand.  It's all new.  New things are good for development - within reason.

 

I remember once going to Keighley Cougars (rugby league and a crowd of perhaps 3k in those days) where the match mascot was celebrating his first birthday, and also the first anniversary of his first Cougars game.  Yes, they took him to the match on the way home from the hospital on the day he was born.  (They didn't stay for the whole game!)  Maybe that's taking fanaticism too far, but it evidently did him no harm.  I reckon the first few months is a good time to get babies used to loud noises, because after all everything is new to them then and they can get more and more experiences when they're too young to realise it's all different and they don't like it.

 

But of course it depends on the baby.  They're all different, so I'm told!

[MPH]

2 hours ago, Captain... said:

The problem is the ruling makes no sense. Walking unaided can be as young as 12 months and certainly includes 18 month olds. It would be even more dangerous for an 18-24 month old toddling around than a 6 month old that will be strapped in the whole time. All the arguments about it not being a safe place for a baby can be equally used at toddlers and small children. Just seems a really odd line to draw. I've not bought kids tickets, do you need to enter their age or just select child ticket? If she actively lied on the ticket form then I have less sympathy.

 

Either way once she is already in there with her family it is ridiculous behaviour to kick her out in that way. At least give her the chance to explain to the rest of her family what is happening and get the things she needs.

 

a babies skull hasn’t full formed and is still in more than one peice..very delicate and susceptible to damage./ trauma.

Edited 3 May 2023 by MPH

[Daggers]

4 hours ago, NAKC20 said:

As has also been mentioned there was a flare let off within the concourse before the Arsenal match just a few weeks ago certainly not a place for a 6 month old. 

If she was allowed into the Arsenal match then this is beyond a disgrace. What on earth are our stewards doing letting these Evertonian single mums into matches with their feral families? Club is a joke.

[Tommy G]

12 hours ago, dsr-burnley said:

At risk of asking what you might think to be a silly question, why shouldn't a baby go to a football match?  I wouldn't want to take one myself, but if she's happy and the baby's happy, why not?

Presume you don't have kids.

 

A baby could quite easily be killed at a football match and thats not an overreaction.

[leicesterlad1989]

31 minutes ago, dsr-burnley said:

All those arguments are valid arguments to say that babies and children shouldn't be allowed in football grounds.  If you're at a match with a child of 10, what happens if you get knocked over in the crowd, or there is a fire and you need to leave in a rush with 30,000 people, or someone lets off a flare, would you want a ten year old breathing that in?  

 

Why shouldn't a baby that doesn't mind loud noises, be in an environment where there are loud noises?  Everywhere a baby goes is an environment it doesn't understand.  It's all new.  New things are good for development - within reason.

 

I remember once going to Keighley Cougars (rugby league and a crowd of perhaps 3k in those days) where the match mascot was celebrating his first birthday, and also the first anniversary of his first Cougars game.  Yes, they took him to the match on the way home from the hospital on the day he was born.  (They didn't stay for the whole game!)  Maybe that's taking fanaticism too far, but it evidently did him no harm.  I reckon the first few months is a good time to get babies used to loud noises, because after all everything is new to them then and they can get more and more experiences when they're too young to realise it's all different and they don't like it.

 

But of course it depends on the baby.  They're all different, so I'm told!

 

1 - A 10 year old child isnt strapped to your chest and are more likely to be able to stand up. They also have a better understanding of their surroundings.

2 - Nobody wants to be breathing in the smoke let off from a flare. The more mobile you are, the easier it is to move away.

3 - How do you know that your baby likes the noise provided from a crowd? Each game is different. Each atmosphere is different. Football crowds are known for being rowdy. Exposing your child to new surroundings is great but within reason. A rowdy football crowd should be the lowest on that list.

 

Ultimately it doesn't matter on anyones opinions. It went against our guidelines. So she shouldn't have been there with a 2 year old.

As a parent myself, I couldn't even imagine taking any of mine at 2 years old, let alone 6 months. The amount of stress I'd have felt would have been unbareable. Just selfish behaviour by her and a victim mentality when she was kicked out.

 

[Captain...]

32 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

a babies skull hasn’t full formed and is still in more than one peice..very delicate and susceptible to damage./ trauma.

Yep, but you can't wrap them in cotton wool and avoid all places that could harm them. 

 

It's pretty safe all wrapped up to its mum. I would assume she brought ear defenders for the noise. I also assume she got their early or late to avoid any crushes on the concourse. It is a risk taking a baby to a football match but there are ways of mitigating that risk, like picking seats at the back or away from where the 'Limbs' crew normally stand. 

 

Personally I wouldn't take a baby to a football match but I have taken a baby to music festivals. 

 

As I said in my earlier post, whatever your views on whether she should or shouldn't have taken her baby the way she was removed from the stadium was ridiculous.

[MPH]

Just now, Captain... said:

Yep, but you can't wrap them in cotton wool and avoid all places that could harm them. 

 

It's pretty safe all wrapped up to its mum. I would assume she brought ear defenders for the noise. I also assume she got their early or late to avoid any crushes on the concourse. It is a risk taking a baby to a football match but there are ways of mitigating that risk, like picking seats at the back or away from where the 'Limbs' crew normally stand. 

 

Personally I wouldn't take a baby to a football match but I have taken a baby to music festivals. 

 

As I said in my earlier post, whatever your views on whether she should or shouldn't have taken her baby the way she was removed from the stadium was ridiculous.

 

yes but you should put them in a group of thousand of people that could go batsh*t crazy at any second either

 

Surely  you can see the difference between walking through Asda and attending a footy game?

[Footballwipe]

Absolutely unbelievable that anyone thinks a baby should be at a football match. At a stretch (with ear defenders) you could see one being in a corporate box but in the stands, an away end stand even, is just irresponsible.

[FoyleFox]

12 minutes ago, Captain... said:

 

As I said in my earlier post, whatever your views on whether she should or shouldn't have taken her baby the way she was removed from the stadium was ridiculous.

If a venue has an age restriction policy, I don't see that it's ridiculous to enforce it.

 

A 16-year-old sneaking into a nightclub will get booted out if discovered. If I've booked an 18+ hotel and a couple of 14-year-olds sneaked in, I'd expect them to be removed.

 

It's quite likely there are insurance and licencing implications for the club.

Edited 3 May 2023 by FoyleFox

[Captain...]

1 minute ago, MPH said:

 

yes but you should put them in a group of thousand of people that could go batsh*t crazy at any second either

 

Surely  you can see the difference between walking through Asda and attending a footy game?

Yes, as I said I assume she picked sensible seats and had her family round her so less likely to get jumped on by excited fans. This wasn't her first time in an Everton away end. She probably knows where the rowdy boys like to congregate. It is a risk but it's a risk she knowingly took and decided it was worth it and she was able to protect her baby from the risks. 

 

Every parent has taken risks with their babies, you have to it's part of living with and developing a baby. It's all about controlling the factors you can to make sure it's as safe as possible but you can't account for everything short of keeping them at home wrapped in cottonwool. Again I wouldn't take a baby mainly because I don't think any of us would enjoy it, not because I don't think I would be able to keep it safe. It's a choice she made the only issue is it is against the grounds policy, but she should have been turned away and not allowed in then removed in such a way.

[Captain...]

5 minutes ago, FoyleFox said:

If a venue has an age restriction policy, I don't see that it's ridiculous to enforce it.

 

A 16-year-old sneaking into a nightclub will get booted out if discovered. If I've booked an 18+ hotel and a couple of 14-year-olds sneaked in, I'd expect them to be removed.

 

It's quite likely there are insurance and licencing implications for the club.

Agree, but she wasn't allowed to go back and tell her family what was happening and get the baby's things, so she just had to wait outside for her family with the baby.

[FoyleFox]

8 minutes ago, Captain... said:

Agree, but she wasn't allowed to go back and tell her family what was happening and get the baby's things, so she just had to wait outside for her family with the baby.

I re-read your post and realised you'd said the way it was handled, not the principle of it, was ridiculous. The way it was done could've been handled better, agreed.

[los dedos]

1 hour ago, Captain... said:

Agree, but she wasn't allowed to go back and tell her family what was happening and get the baby's things, so she just had to wait outside for her family with the baby.

Thing is we now hear a lot of what she was saying was untrue. The bit about her other kids left with other fans was actually her sister. 

She's since deleted her twitter after Everton fans were questioning how the 6 month old got a ticket, when tickets sold out to Season ticket holders !

I'm actually beginning to think she smuggled the baby in under her jacket. 😅

[Captain...]

3 minutes ago, los dedos said:

Thing is we now hear a lot of what she was saying was untrue. The bit about her other kids left with other fans was actually her sister. 

She's since deleted her twitter after Everton fans were questioning how the 6 month old got a ticket, when tickets sold out to Season ticket holders !

I'm actually beginning to think she smuggled the baby in under her jacket. 😅

 

Ha ha, FFS, all of that to watch an awful Everton side against an almost as bad Leicester side.

 

If it was an Everton away end at the King Power about 7 years ago I could understand it. Ah well each to their own.

[Scanchez]

If you think taking your baby in to a crowded away end at a football match is ok you're a crap parent.

Either that or you don't have a child and you haven't got a clue.