“Hubris and Muddled Thinking Have Seen Leicester Spiral Towards Relegation”

[gerblod]

3 minutes ago, Clever Fox said:

The success we achieved had more to do with the players and team he inherited both on and off the field from the Pearson era

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People need to realise Top is only the figure head now. Vachi owned the Company and so had the final say on everything.

Top has a Board to answer too.

He could be replaced tomorrow by the Board. Or the Board can overule him. That's today's reality, We fans have just got to get used to it. We could be in for a bumpy few years if we don't get back to basics.

I certainly didn't realise that the two had different rôles/powers. The assumption, judging by the myriad posts re Top, was a king is dead, long live the king situation. That Top is answerable to the Board explains his apparent hesitancy and indecision and why he would rely on Rudkin and Rodgers for informed advice...

It's easy to allow that, on losing his father and being shunted into a position he never expected to be taking up so early, that he would need time and good advice from sources he is could expect wisdom from. It's also easy to envisage that the sources he would have trusted might have used the situation to progress their own careers or to excuse their mistakes.

The key event in this was, of course, Vichai's death. It seems that, instead of creating a team from those four key figures, three of them sat and whistled while Rodgers glibly went his own way - whistling while the team gradually crumbled under his tutelage.

You'd think Haynes or the FA would come up with a manual for running up football club. Pity Clough and Taylor didn't write one.

[KingsX]

46 minutes ago, gerblod said:

I certainly didn't realise that the two had different rôles/powers. The assumption, judging by the myriad posts re Top, was a king is dead, long live the king situation. That Top is answerable to the Board explains his apparent hesitancy and indecision

What on earth?! 
 

Top owns the club. The board exists only to assist in the decision making. As none of them hold more than a tiny fractional piece of the club, he can replace any or all of them at his pleasure. Period!  Total and complete end of story.

 

 

 

 

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

11 hours ago, CosbehFox said:

Interesting that the article claims Whelan has no say in the football side as there has been evidence suggesting otherwise. She negotiated the Maguire deal and is well in with others at the Premier League. Her phone rings about football question as much Rudkin’s does 

She gets involved in stuff Rudkin is incapable of doing.

[The Year Of The Fox]

6 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

She gets involved in stuff Rudkin is incapable of doing.

So she runs the club then?

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

1 hour ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

So she runs the club then?

Not when Rudkin reports directly into top and Top has overall control no.

[Vestan Pance]

13 hours ago, FoxyLeon said:

Because as I keep trying to explain, the success came from the foundations Pearson put in place.

I also think this is correct but combined with the leadership of Vichai.

 

I'm not saying Rudkin hasn't done good work but it appears most of it was done under the stewardship of Pearson and Vichai.

[Clever Fox]

2 hours ago, Vestan Pance said:

I also think this is correct but combined with the leadership of Vichai.

 

I'm not saying Rudkin hasn't done good work but it appears most of it was done under the stewardship of Pearson and Vichai.

This is exactly it. After Sacking Pearson earlier, Vichai was advised that Pearson could be tempted back. They had a meeting and Pearson agreed to come back on the understanding that he ran the whole of the football side of the Club including  recruitment of players and assistants while working to a budget. Vichai to his eternal credit accepted he was hasty and the rest is history.

That's the sign of a successful business man who can listen to others.

[gerblod]

10 hours ago, KingsX said:

What on earth?! 
 

Top owns the club. The board exists only to assist in the decision making. As none of them hold more than a tiny fractional piece of the club, he can replace any or all of them at his pleasure. Period!  Total and complete end of story.

 

 

 

 

That's not what @Clever Fox stated.

[Clever Fox]

10 hours ago, KingsX said:

What on earth?! 
 

Top owns the club. The board exists only to assist in the decision making. As none of them hold more than a tiny fractional piece of the club, he can replace any or all of them at his pleasure. Period!  Total and complete end of story.

 

 

 

 

So you know more than most on here. What is the legal breakdown of KP.

Is it a private company or a plc ? 

 

I've always been of the view that KP owned the Football Club, even in Vichai's time. 

If you know otherwise please explain and inform us, we're all very curious.

[indierich06]

On 14/05/2023 at 11:37, coolhandfox said:

Funny how the DOF gets all the blame for the last 18 months.

 

But non of the credit for 8 PL seasons, 1 PL title and a FA win.

 

I'm not say he should'nt be under pressure or maybe move on, but just some balance in the conversation.

 

Like this last 18 can't all be bad luck, the successes over the last 8 can't all be good luck.

Seems like what's missing is an owner who is willing to make his own mind up. Hate to say it, but it seems like Vichai was a lot more decisive. If you're not used to making big decisions, choice paralysis can kick in and it might seem easier to kick the can down the road a bit - I don't hold any anger or vitriol against Top for that, that's just inexperience. His dad died, his life has utterly changed and he's suddenly been thrust into a role he thought he probably wouldn't have been doing for another 10-15 years. Couple all that with Rudkin as your chief advisor, who, let's face it, has very little actual footballing experience, and it's easy to see why things have gotten to this point. 

He should go to be honest - let him run the racing side of things if they want, and then get a proper football advisor in to turn the club around. It can't just be 'jobs for the boys' anymore.

[sacreblueits442]

42 minutes ago, Clever Fox said:

So you know more than most on here. What is the legal breakdown of KP.

Is it a private company or a plc ? 

 

I've always been of the view that KP owned the Football Club, even in Vichai's time. 

If you know otherwise please explain and inform us, we're all very curious.

...Khun Top's position within the group is not the same as Khun Vichai's prior role as chairman!!!

Khun Top is the CEO of King Power as opposed to Khun Vichai who was the Chairman of the group. The current Chairperson is Khun Top's mother Aimon, who is the sole boardroom member of the ultimate parent company.

 Khun Top as the Chairman of LCFC would have had the power (depending on the ultimate structure of the group)  to terminate Rodgers's tenure, you would have thought, but it might have had to have gone upstairs for ultimate approval. LCFC and OHL are listed as subsidiaries of King Power so it really depends on who has the ultimate say in how the subsidiaries are run.

[Clever Fox]

12 hours ago, KingsX said:

What on earth?! 
 

Top owns the club. The board exists only to assist in the decision making. As none of them hold more than a tiny fractional piece of the club, he can replace any or all of them at his pleasure. Period!  Total and complete end of story.

 

 

 

 

So you know more than most on here. What is the legal breakdown of KP.

Is it a private company or a plc ? 

 

I've always been of the view that KP owned the Football Club, even in Vichai's time. 

If you know otherwise please explain and inform us, we're all very curious.

[SemperEadem]

8 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...Khun Top's position within the group is not the same as Khun Vichai's prior role as chairman!!!

Khun Top is the CEO of King Power as opposed to Khun Vichai who was the Chairman of the group. The current Chairperson is Khun Top's mother Aimon, who is the sole boardroom member of the ultimate parent company.

 Khun Top as the Chairman of LCFC would have had the power (depending on the ultimate structure of the group)  to terminate Rodgers's tenure, you would have thought, but it might have had to have gone upstairs for ultimate approval. LCFC and OHL are listed as subsidiaries of King Power so it really depends on who has the ultimate say in how the subsidiaries are run.

Someone said on here a few months back that she was alleged not keen on any continued investment in the club.

[Foxy-Lady]

7 hours ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

She gets involved in stuff Rudkin is incapable of doing.

Pretty much everything then....!! 

[CosbehFox]

The photo which summed us up. Rudkin in full training kit get up, numerous players not looking arsed, some players with injuries. All in a huge canteen with as much food as you could wish to choose from. 

Edited 15 May 2023 by CosbehFox

[yorkie1999]

Should have made Steve Walsh DOF when he wanted it.

[Foxy-Lady]

19 hours ago, sycokilla said:

As relegation looks almost certain now, I do hope Top has the bottle to have a good clear out !  As Rudkin is responsible for advising him to keep Brendan until it was too late and having so many players out of contract within 24 months leading to too many of the players having no skin in the game. .. he should be the first to go.

I think we also need a new goalkeeping coach, Stowell has been here so long and had both Iversen and Ward under his tutelage. Ward is so abysmal its hard for a coach not to improve him and Iversens kicking so dire that you do wonder how that did not improve that. Stowell has passed his sell by date.

Surely also the fitness and medical staff needs looking at with the amount of injuries we seem to be getting.

As sad as it is maybe, relegation will be the opportunity for this.

 

Seems like such a minor point in view of the issues we are now facing......but the indifference over a guy who has been "stealing a living" from our club for way too long pretty much sums up the whole complacency of the club right now for me.

He seems to just hang around like a "bad smell" and whenever a manager gets fired, he somehow manages to keep his job, even though he hasn't produced a single goalkeeper for us in over 14 years since he's been with us.

 

Ive heard it said somewhere that only cockroaches can survive a Nuclear blast......i think that Rudkin and Stowells names should be added to that list  

[sacreblueits442]

34 minutes ago, SemperEadem said:

Someone said on here a few months back that she was alleged not keen on any continued investment in the club.

...I am not surprised if that is the case!!!

She comes across as a formidable woman (perhaps she should have been in charge instead of Khun Top) and I speculate the conversion of debts owing to KP may just be a parting gift to Khun Top, who can now focus on running LCFC as a business, without the burden of the other parts of King Power demanding his attention.

  There has been a family at war regarding KP and how it is run, and until it has been settled, we are going to be affected.

[sacreblueits442]

17 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

Should have made Steve Walsh DOF when he wanted it.

...can you imagine if that was to happen, most of the doom and gloom surrounding this club would be lifted!!!

We have a third of the team already in place (Shakey) it would be a clamour for us to make IT happen.

[Clever Fox]

7 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...Khun Top's position within the group is not the same as Khun Vichai's prior role as chairman!!!

Khun Top is the CEO of King Power as opposed to Khun Vichai who was the Chairman of the group. The current Chairperson is Khun Top's mother Aimon, who is the sole boardroom member of the ultimate parent company.

 Khun Top as the Chairman of LCFC would have had the power (depending on the ultimate structure of the group)  to terminate Rodgers's tenure, you would have thought, but it might have had to have gone upstairs for ultimate approval. LCFC and OHL are listed as subsidiaries of King Power so it really depends on who has the ultimate say in how the subsidiaries are run.

Thanks for the insight.

So the Mother own KP just as Vichai did.

That would be considered a normal take over after the accident as she was his wife.

Top as CEO would be answerable to her.

Top as chairman of the Club would still be answerable to his Mother and the Board.

That's a massive change for the Club as Top doesn't have the power to do as he pleases like his Father had.

It may well be that his Mother is not that interested in Football and could be effected by the huge losses incurred by the Club.

The best I think we can hope for is that Top at some point Buys out the Club from KP.

As it stands he's answerable to the board and his Mam.

We really need to get our Summer signings right.

Scarry times ahead.

[Clever Fox]

24 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...I am not surprised if that is the case!!!

She comes across as a formidable woman (perhaps she should have been in charge instead of Khun Top) and I speculate the conversion of debts owing to KP may just be a parting gift to Khun Top, who can now focus on running LCFC as a business, without the burden of the other parts of King Power demanding his attention.

  There has been a family at war regarding KP and how it is run, and until it has been settled, we are going to be affected.

Top was the nearest to the Club so it made sense to make him Chairman. 

It seems that he relied on Dumb and Dumber to advise him.

At least he knows better now and is unlikely to make the same mistake again. It's crucial we get the next appointment right.

Susan is the money person. Top is going to need her help in sorting out the finances and get us back on a sound footing.

[Babylon]

14 hours ago, KingsX said:

What on earth?! 
 

Top owns the club. The board exists only to assist in the decision making. As none of them hold more than a tiny fractional piece of the club, he can replace any or all of them at his pleasure. Period!  Total and complete end of story.

 

 

 

 

Probably talking about KP, he’s not the Chairman of KP and is ultimately answerable to the board of KP as they own the club. 
 

Vichai’s wife and the board members could say NO to a request for an injection of money and there is nothing he could do about it, other than put in his own money. 

[Stadt]

20 hours ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

And all the staff under him have fuvked off...

 

Macia, Steve walsh, most the physio staff pre Bryan English, loads of the scouts, the data guys. A total ****ing mess and one he's made.

This is what's really telling to me. Landing Sormaz was a coup, he soon cleared off. Macia oversaw probably our best ever window, didn't stick around. Allowing Congerton to waltz in was a disaster and the majority of the forum disapproved even at the time.

 

You'd think the academy would be well ran and well integrated with the first team at least given Rudkin's links to it. Nope, successive relegations (saved only by a restructure). Our brightest talents kept at the club only to be injured, Villa blokes on trial half the time etc.

[KingsX]

4 hours ago, gerblod said:

That's not what @Clever Fox stated.

 

2 hours ago, Clever Fox said:

So you know more than most on here. What is the legal breakdown of KP.

Is it a private company or a plc ? 

 

I've always been of the view that KP owned the Football Club, even in Vichai's time. 

If you know otherwise please explain and inform us, we're all very curious.

 

1 hour ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...Khun Top's position within the group is not the same as Khun Vichai's prior role as chairman!!!

Khun Top is the CEO of King Power as opposed to Khun Vichai who was the Chairman of the group. The current Chairperson is Khun Top's mother Aimon, who is the sole boardroom member of the ultimate parent company.

 Khun Top as the Chairman of LCFC would have had the power (depending on the ultimate structure of the group)  to terminate Rodgers's tenure, you would have thought, but it might have had to have gone upstairs for ultimate approval. LCFC and OHL are listed as subsidiaries of King Power so it really depends on who has the ultimate say in how the subsidiaries are run.

We may be talking past each other. Aiyawatt is registered as outright majority owner of the club and I believe the only other significant owner among the directors is his brother.

 

@Clever Fox was apparently talking about the KP board which  I failed to register. I think @Babylon nailed it above — and my greatest fear when Kuhn Vichai died was that the family would not want to throw more of its wealth at a money losing business.

 

But they have given him ultimate control of the running of the club. 

[Evington Fosse Fox]

Rudkin is certainly pulling the strings and untouchable