“Hubris and Muddled Thinking Have Seen Leicester Spiral Towards Relegation”

[coolhandfox]

2 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

There are many senior people who are very good under the leadership and tutelage of a mentor like Vichai, who then struggle to continue to achieve once they are exposed.

You do realise his been dead 4 years?

 

In that time we have finished 9th, 5th, 5th and 8th and win the FA Cup.

 

It has more to do with complacency for me, after a success you forget to do the hard things that made you successful.

 

We got fat and lazy, thinking we had cracked it.

[The_77]

17 minutes ago, Beachyboy said:

Have you heard him talk about football?? He may of been a good player, an he may think of himself as a good pundit, but he doesn't convey an in depth knowledge to me.

I think that was the joke, my friend 😂

[Hamilton Fox]

20 minutes ago, Beachyboy said:

Have you heard him talk about football?? He may of been a good player, an he may think of himself as a good pundit, but he doesn't convey an in depth knowledge to me.

Yeah but I’m sure he thinks he an expert in both 

[Foxxed]

3 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

Who moved where in the board room restructure?

I mean after Vichai passed away everything changed. No longer did we have an active owner. And Top and Rudkin sold the club to Brendan and stood by and watched Brendan's ego ravage the club.

 

Top and Rudkin were important parts of our success but they, left on their own, precipated its downfall.

[coolhandfox]

36 minutes ago, Foxxed said:

I mean after Vichai passed away everything changed. No longer did we have an active owner. And Top and Rudkin sold the club to Brendan and stood by and watched Brendan's ego ravage the club.

 

Top and Rudkin were important parts of our success but they, left on their own, precipated its downfall.

Let's just forget the two 5th places finishes and an FA Cup win since he passed away.

 

More then anything we have become complacent.

 

 

[sacreblueits442]

1 hour ago, Vacamion said:

 

So that's The Telegraph, the Mail and The Independent quoted in this thread and there is also a similar article today in the Sunday Times, all writing our "how far they have fallen" obituary.

 

...no questioning regarding Rodgers at the helm, total silence, but we are good fodder for going down!!!

[los dedos]

13 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

Let's just forget the two 5th places finishes and an FA Cup win since he passed away.

 

More then anything we have become complacent.

 

 

That's like crediting Taylor for topping the league. That was still Vichai's legacy. 

[FoxyLeon]

5 hours ago, coolhandfox said:

Funny how the DOF gets all the blame for the last 18 months.

 

But non of the credit for 8 PL seasons, 1 PL title and a FA win.

 

I'm not say he should'nt be under pressure or maybe move on, but just some balance in the conversation.

 

Like this last 18 can't all be bad luck, the successes over the last 8 can't all be good luck.

 

Because as I keep trying to explain, the success came from the foundations Pearson put in place. Even after the recruitment policies we put in place were removed by Rodgers, the Medical team put in place were removed by Rodgers and the decision to remove all leadership from the Club by Rodgers, we still had a small number of players who had been directly recruited under that regime, or by regimes afterwards which were in the same mould.

 

But since we lost Kasper and with Vardy being in decline, Morgan/Fuchs/King/James no longer around the Club, they're the last pillars of that era. The ones who embodied and understood why we were successful. They were perhaps the Nicky Butt/Phil Neville/John O'Shea etc, not the players with the most quality in the squad, but the ones who glue everything together. 

 

 

The irony about the 'Hubris' remark is that Maddison and Rodgers are media darlings, yet they're the perfect example of why we're where we are. Contrast to Pearson and Okazaki, and I know and all City fans know which the better coach/manager and player is.

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

2 hours ago, Tuna said:

You'd think a sporting director who has delivered the FA Cup and Premier League would be head hunted, like Ashworth or Brands, he's never linked with other jobs is he - says it all!

And all the staff under him have fuvked off...

 

Macia, Steve walsh, most the physio staff pre Bryan English, loads of the scouts, the data guys. A total ****ing mess and one he's made.

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

1 hour ago, los dedos said:

That's like crediting Taylor for topping the league. That was still Vichai's legacy. 

Pretty sure Rodgers was approached pre top taking over - rumours started back then.

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

3 hours ago, SemperEadem said:

Correct, I also stand by my point even if we drop though.

We need a banner!

[sycokilla]

As relegation looks almost certain now, I do hope Top has the bottle to have a good clear out !  As Rudkin is responsible for advising him to keep Brendan until it was too late and having so many players out of contract within 24 months leading to too many of the players having no skin in the game. .. he should be the first to go.

I think we also need a new goalkeeping coach, Stowell has been here so long and had both Iversen and Ward under his tutelage. Ward is so abysmal its hard for a coach not to improve him and Iversens kicking so dire that you do wonder how that did not improve that. Stowell has passed his sell by date.

Surely also the fitness and medical staff needs looking at with the amount of injuries we seem to be getting.

As sad as it is maybe, relegation will be the opportunity for this.

 

[Babylon]

1 hour ago, los dedos said:

That's like crediting Taylor for topping the league. That was still Vichai's legacy. 

Come on we are talking years later and not a few months. 

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

So far out of his depth and afraid of upsetting his mate, looks like a little weasel n all

[SemperEadem]

9 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

We need a banner!

They may well come but with so many eyes on the usual suspects without sounding too much of a prat if you want one bring one yourself.

[sacreblueits442]

10 minutes ago, sycokilla said:

As relegation looks almost certain now, I do hope Top has the bottle to have a good clear out !  As Rudkin is responsible for advising him to keep Brendan until it was too late

...how do you know that was the case!!!

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[Foxxed]

1 hour ago, coolhandfox said:

Let's just forget the two 5th places finishes and an FA Cup win since he passed away.

 

More then anything we have become complacent.

 

 

I've not forgotten but I don't think they negate the idea of gradual decline.

 

We achieved those at the apex of our previous good management (the players pre dated Rodgers largely for example)

 

Rodgers had previously ignored the scouts, physios, academy and contract renewals.

 

That all took a number of years to fully take affect--it didn't instantly send us into a nose dive. But it did, eventually. And here we are.

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

31 minutes ago, SemperEadem said:

They may well come but with so many eyes on the usual suspects without sounding too much of a prat if you want one bring one yourself.

Going to be no fans left next season...

[CosbehFox]

3 hours ago, Tuna said:

You'd think a sporting director who has delivered the FA Cup and Premier League would be head hunted, like Ashworth or Brands, he's never linked with other jobs is he - says it all!

Said this before. Plenty of clubs have been taken over and restructured. None of them thought about employing a bloke who was involved with the greatest PL title 

[gerblod]

3 hours ago, RoboFox said:

There’s zero accountability.

Don't be naive - this isn't an elected body being brought to account for mishandling public funds.

Vichai bought the club and, as long as the operation of the club satisfied legal requirement and FA and Premier rules, he was master of all he surveyed. He was the accountability.

That his son is not as capable or decisive or perceptive as he was shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.

Ten more years of his father's tutelage might have brought him up to speed, but this is obviously a case of too soon. He became the accountability on succeeding his father. Quite clearly he has not exercised his power to safeguard City's position.

Advisors can and should only be listened to by a leader capable of sorting good advice from the chaff. In his case astuteness was substituted for hope, the hope that Rodgers would eventually turn the situation around. That was naïve too.

[CosbehFox]

Interesting that the article claims Whelan has no say in the football side as there has been evidence suggesting otherwise. She negotiated the Maguire deal and is well in with others at the Premier League. Her phone rings about football question as much Rudkin’s does 

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[SheppyFox]

[sacreblueits442]

17 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

Interesting that the article claims Whelan has no say in the football side as there has been evidence suggesting otherwise. She negotiated the Maguire deal and is well in with others at the Premier League. Her phone rings about football question as much Rudkin’s does 

...probably Rudkin on the end of the line, asking what to do next!!!

[Golden Fox]

7 hours ago, davieG said:

The real question, though, is what happens if — or when — Leicester do go down. They would do so with the highest squad cost and wage bill in Premier League history. 

When Leicester won the league in 2016, they spent £80m on wages. Now, they spend £182m — behind only the Big Six clubs. It’s also 85 per cent of their £215m turnover, a figure that will plummet by more than £130m if they are relegated.

I know we'll be losing some players, but it won't be nearly enough to reduce the wage bill to Championship levels. Last time we were relegated after a number of years up, we went into administration and nearly lost the club.

 

Those numbers are really scary. 

[Clever Fox]

7 hours ago, coolhandfox said:

You do realise his been dead 4 years?

 

In that time we have finished 9th, 5th, 5th and 8th and win the FA Cup.

 

It has more to do with complacency for me, after a success you forget to do the hard things that made you successful.

 

We got fat and lazy, thinking we had cracked it.

The success we achieved had more to do with the players and team he inherited both on and off the field from the Pearson era.

When BR was allowed to put his own people in place is when it started to go wrong. 

The club never should have allowed that to happen, But I suspect Rogers convinced Rudkin and Top he knew what he was doing. When clearly we know now he didn't.

The mitigating factor in Tops case was the turmoil going on within KP after the accident. I'm talking about the legalities within KP after the accident.

Top may have asked Rudkin to hold the Fort while the reorganization of KP took place. Believing Rudkin and Rogers were up to the job.

People need to realise Top is only the figure head now. Vachi owned the Company and so had the final say on everything.

Top has a Board to answer too.

He could be replaced tomorrow by the Board. Or the Board can overule him. That's today's reality, We fans have just got to get used to it. We could be in for a bumpy few years if we don't get back to basics.