An incredible 9 years

[Mickyblueeyes]

6 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

There are no words to do justice to how much I hate this. 

I love what we have achieved but at the moment reading that made me really really angry. I’ll enjoy our history going forward and I’m sure I’ll watch YouTube after a 1-0 midweek defeat to Rotherham but right now, I can’t read about how we won the fa cup two years ago and the league 7.

[wardyfox86]

1 hour ago, 99 Problems said:

By that logic there’s absolutely no point in competing at all. You’ll never be rich unless bought by a state funded consortium and even if you do well for bit you’ll get relegated soon enough. 

I mean it’s a bloody good job Vichai didn’t look at football through that lens. I think he realises that if you ambition, you can realise your potential. If you keep recruiting well, build a culture. Invest in infrastructure, you can grow and you can compete. Not always, not every year - but it’s not inevitable that it will fall apart the way it has

 

if Brighton keep making the smart decisions they are. they will stay in the top flight. We made a series of awful decisions - that’s why it ended 

Back to my original response then. Great, they'll stay in the top flight and do what? Keep scouting the good players for the top teams to pick off, until the top teams realise that they should just nick their scouts instead?

 

There is a huge gap between the top 6 or 7 and the rest that cannot and will not be plugged with any number of good years or good structure, just billions in backing. Yes, that gap will blur slightly each season, but Brighton's peaks are Chelsea's troughs. Chelsea can still buy half of Brighton's squad and backroom staff.

 

We are amongst a cluster of 25/30 teams that can't all fit in the Premier League. I loved being the best of that bunch, like Southampton did before us, like Everton did before them and like Leeds did before them. I can't wait to see if we can rise again, but the thought of being 12th in the Prem every year is far far less appealing than the rollercoaster we are on.

Edited 20 May 2023 by wardyfox86

[dylanlegend]

The naivety of some fans baffle me. It’s a competitive league in which financially we are miles off top 7. 
 

I understand the concept of becoming an ‘established’ PL club but that talk is dreamworld. In reality we cannot compete with their finances so won’t ever really become ‘established’. Will always be a few bad transfer windows and dodgy management away from relegation.
 

Name one club that has been relegated since the start of the PL that is now ‘established’….

 

Man City…. Bankrolled by Billionaires 

[fuchsntf]

8 hours ago, 99 Problems said:

I genuinely hate stuff like this. Absolute small club mentality in spades. The whole ‘let’s be grateful that our club is needlessly spiralling towards the championship and financial oblivion because it’s been an amazing ride”

 

If some fans want the old Leicester back - they’re welcome to it. For those fans that wanted a stable premier league club built on the foundations of unprecedented success - then our anger and frustration shouldn’t be mistaken for a lack of gratitude for what we achieved 

Maybe 48 of you,are not capable of looking at 2 sides of a great story & be proud

of those 9 years. And you 48+ were just naturally born miserable little minded gits.

Accept history,but still look forward,still accept we are a small club,nothing wrong in that..it’s what we have achieved, and in that period…never over achieved.

Small club mentality is denying, we did something no other team achieved in the sport.We had record breaking players.

Small club is bemoaning. Always the  coulds the woulds and the maybes or ifs.We were not good enough…

I just want my Leicester..in good or bad times,and not brow beating entitled little upstarts,who can take the cream but not the shit..

 

We all want the best for our clubs the whole 94 club group of fans…

I detest spoilt little brats,who shout I only want success,without any of the Sports life’s constraints of failure,emotion,earn,fail,achieve,..Maturity..!!

[The Doctor]

2 hours ago, 99 Problems said:

Again more of the ‘let’s just be grateful eh?’ talk. No one is talking about trading or swapping anything. We’ve done the impossible, followed it up with an FA cup win, had an opportunity to establish ourselves and we’ve pissed it away through poor planning, incompetence and neglect. 
 

What makes this relegation so painful is that it’s entirely avoidable. If you want your club to be a small town yo yo team for the next 20 years then good for you. Some of us want a slightly better future for the club 

thank you! oh sure, our chance to establish ourselves as one of the top sides in the country has gone because we put the entire club in the hands of a man who's only qualification for the job is being a poor quality youth coach 15 years ago, and a Chapstick munching landlord who thought that a team that lost 9-0 in two successive seasons had a great defence we should be recruiting from, but we had some success so we should be grateful the club carefully took aim and blew all it's limbs off

[Mickyblueeyes]

7 minutes ago, dylanlegend said:

The naivety of some fans baffle me. It’s a competitive league in which financially we are miles off top 7. 
 

I understand the concept of becoming an ‘established’ PL club but that talk is dreamworld. In reality we cannot compete with their finances so won’t ever really become ‘established’. Will always be a few bad transfer windows and dodgy management away from relegation.
 

Name one club that has been relegated since the start of the PL that is now ‘established’….

 

Man City…. Bankrolled by Billionaires 

If we cannot compete with “their” finances, which I don’t disagree with, why did we bankroll a training ground fit for the same clubs we cannot compete with after selling a player for £80m. Surely that is poor financial management.
 

 

[dylanlegend]

1 minute ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

If we cannot compete with “their” finances, which I don’t disagree with, why did we bankroll a training ground fit for the same clubs we cannot compete with after selling a player for £80m. Surely that is poor financial management.
 

 

I agree…

 

but the point is still valid…

 

there is not 1 club outside the ‘Big 7’ who are so established they couldn’t possibly be relegated next season.

 

I just hope we do enough in the summer to come straight back up 

[when_you're_smiling]

I sometimes am not sure what fans expect.

 

Do we have resources to be a top six team? No.

 

Can you name me a single top six team that’s not had at least one battle against relegation/been in the second tier in the last few years? 

 

Yeah it’s disappointing that the first time we get close to relegation our players shit the bed and fold like cards. But battles against relegation are inevitable without millions upon millions of investment every year.

 

Would love to know what kind of club people think we could be year in, year out.

[Claudio Fannieri]

It has been an amazing 9 years full of achievements and emotions I never dreamt would happen as a Leicester City fan. Winning the league and FA cup and competing in European competition 3 times including reaching the Champions League quarter finals has been breathtaking. 
 

However the manner of our fall from grace has been equally as disappointing, frustrating and hurts as we had an incredible opportunity and platform to cement ourselves as top flight club for years to come. 
 

We will be back to square one and let’s hope the club has the drive, determination and can put a strategy in place that will enable us to come back stronger. 

[smudger63]

12 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

It has been an amazing 9 years full of achievements and emotions I never dreamt would happen as a Leicester City fan. Winning the league and FA cup and competing in European competition 3 times including reaching the Champions League quarter finals has been breathtaking. 
 

However the manner of our fall from grace has been equally as disappointing, frustrating and hurts as we had an incredible opportunity and platform to cement ourselves as top flight club for years to come. 
 

We will be back to square one and let’s hope the club has the drive, determination and can put a strategy in place that will enable us to come back stronger. 

This 

[AmarteyAndChill]

These are our finishes since promotion in 2014.

 

2014/15 - 14th 

2015/16 - 1st 

2016/17 - 12th 

2017/18 - 9th 

2018/19 - 9th

2019/20 - 5th 

2020/21 - 5th / FA cup win 

2021/22 - 8th / European semi Final

 

thats an average of 7.8 (8th) place since we were promoted. Those 9th place finishes were seen as disappointing if I remember and the 8th place finish, we had half the team out for the majority of the season. We haven’t finished in the bottom half the division since 2017. 
 

how the hell are we about to get relegated? Teams spend years in the bottom half of the division and don’t get relegated for at least a few years. What the hell is going on? No wonder these players have deluded themselves into thinking they can’t get relegated.

Edited 21 May 2023 by AmarteyAndChill

[foxinsocks]

Just to say that the two 5th places were failures.   In both seasons that squad against  that opposition should have finished 3rd or 4th.  In both cases it was a fragility that cost us... I believe a better manager would have motivated and inspired the team to fulfill their promise.  These were the signs that rodgers was not the guy he thinks he is.

So we have had a good 9 years....  but that does NOT make the performance by the club acceptable this season.  Imo the current squad should have finished 10th this season.  Our current plight is a massive under achievement.  9 good years doesnt not make this acceptable.

[Mickyblueeyes]

8 hours ago, dylanlegend said:

I agree…

 

but the point is still valid…

 

there is not 1 club outside the ‘Big 7’ who are so established they couldn’t possibly be relegated next season.

 

I just hope we do enough in the summer to come straight back up 

I completely agree with you. The thing is, and we truly see it this season in the Championship, there is not team with a god given right to be here in the PL either. The manner in which we have thrown it away makes relegation ten times worse. 

[SK3Blue]

Had we have gone down in 2014 most of us would have just accepted it as 'normal service has been resumed'

 

My first LCFC game was in 1981 and these last 9 years have been nothing short of incredible. 

 

It's sometimes easy to forget that the 33 years I spent before this, mostly as an angry frustrated fan, saw numerous relegations and no success in the cups (O'Neill era aside) and now my anger and frustration has returned because this side is so utterly gutless, run by clowns but has no leaders. 

 

Football is a great leveller, look at what's happening at Coventry again, it's very hard not to be angry at whats happeningto us, but we've got to bring back a connection, a manager with character, players that connect with the fans instead of these deadbeats we currently have in Blue. 

 

 

 

 

Edited 21 May 2023 by SK3Blue

[Phil Bowman]

56 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

we had an incredible opportunity and platform to cement ourselves as top flight club for years to come.

People keep saying this, but it simply isn't true. There are seven clubs who can be pretty sure of staying in the top flight simply because they have the cash to throw at anything that goes wrong and keep throwing until it goes right.

Every single other club is always a possible relegation candidate.

[ozleicester]

If we get relegated... i will still be happier to have been a Leicester supporter rather than any other club (other than Man Ciy perhaps) over the past 20 years

[foxinsocks]

1 minute ago, ozleicester said:

If we get relegated... i will still be happier to have been a Leicester supporter rather than any other club (other than Man Ciy perhaps) over the past 20 years

Me too.  But that does not mean the performance of the board is acceptable.  They failed to act and have made terrible decisions.   

[99 Problems]

9 hours ago, wardyfox86 said:

Back to my original response then. Great, they'll stay in the top flight and do what? Keep scouting the good players for the top teams to pick off, until the top teams realise that they should just nick their scouts instead?

 

There is a huge gap between the top 6 or 7 and the rest that cannot and will not be plugged with any number of good years or good structure, just billions in backing. Yes, that gap will blur slightly each season, but Brighton's peaks are Chelsea's troughs. Chelsea can still buy half of Brighton's squad and backroom staff.

 

We are amongst a cluster of 25/30 teams that can't all fit in the Premier League. I loved being the best of that bunch, like Southampton did before us, like Everton did before them and like Leeds did before them. I can't wait to see if we can rise again, but the thought of being 12th in the Prem every year is far far less appealing than the rollercoaster we are on.

This makes no sense on almost every level. it’s almost like you’ve learned next to nothing from the past 9 years.

 

what you should have taken away is that smaller clubs CAN compete with the bigger ones AS LONG as they remain well run. Now I’m not saying we could have been an established top 6 side with our finances - but equally, the incredible recruitment team allowing us to buy gems for next to nothing and sell them for huge money has seen us go from championship to champions league - picking up trophies in the process 

 

it actually happened and Brighton aren’t a million miles away from Top 4 this season either. I think you’re confusing our demise, which is the result of abandoning the model that made us successful, for inevitability. 
 

Brighton have lost players and managers to bigger clubs. Yet their decision making is so good they are improving. Your aim should be to the best of the rest in the PL and go for European football. We’ve done it, other teams can do it. Relegation happens not because it’s inevitable - but because clubs spend the money they have badly. That’s the difference. Look at Chelsea this season - by your logic no smaller team should be able to touch them - they’re currently 10th

 

The fact is we are being relegated with the 8th highest wage bill in the PL. it’s not because we can’t compete financially, it’s because we haven’t operated smartly 

 

 

[99 Problems]

37 minutes ago, Phil Bowman said:

People keep saying this, but it simply isn't true. There are seven clubs who can be pretty sure of staying in the top flight simply because they have the cash to throw at anything that goes wrong and keep throwing until it goes right.

Every single other club is always a possible relegation candidate.

That’s not what the poster is saying. The chance to be an established PL club comes from operating smartly - the way we did for many years. Excellent recruitment, knowing when to sell and re-investing accordingly, improving infrastructure to boost commercial revenue etc. 

 

What I think posters are missing is we aren’t getting relegated because it was inevitable. We’re getting relegated because we have broken from the model that made us so successful in the first place 

[Captain...]

So serious point missing going on in this thread.

 

Nobody is saying be happy with this situation, it's shit and probably going to get shitter.

 

However instead of being angry and all pissed off, reflect on what's been and what could have been, both good and bad. It's the ups and downs that make sport what it is and why love and hate it.

 

I don't know who else we could have replaced Puel with, but imagine we got a Benitez and played 5 years of pragmatic football, finishing 10th every season. We'd be happier right now but wouldn't have had the highs or lows of the past 5 years.

[ClaphamFox]

6 minutes ago, Captain... said:

So serious point missing going on in this thread.

 

Nobody is saying be happy with this situation, it's shit and probably going to get shitter.

 

However instead of being angry and all pissed off, reflect on what's been and what could have been, both good and bad. It's the ups and downs that make sport what it is and why love and hate it.

 

I don't know who else we could have replaced Puel with, but imagine we got a Benitez and played 5 years of pragmatic football, finishing 10th every season. We'd be happier right now but wouldn't have had the highs or lows of the past 5 years.

The appropriate emotional response to this relegation is stone cold fury. This was utterly self-inflicted and avoidable. Comforting ourselves with memories of times past is merely a way to avoid looking at the current situation as it really is.

Edited 21 May 2023 by ClaphamFox

[Harpenden Fox]

6 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

The appropriate emotional response to this relegation is stone cold fury. This was utterly self-inflicted and avoidable. Comforting ourselves with memories of times past is merely a way to avoid looking at the current situation as it really is.

That may be your appropriate response. It’s isn’t me. I’m simply sad at the situation. Fury will not help. It will just make you ill

[Captain...]

11 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

The appropriate emotional response to this relegation is stone cold fury. This was utterly self-inflicted and avoidable. Comforting ourselves with memories of times past is merely a way to avoid looking at the current situation as it really is.

So let's smash shit up and abuse everyone involved.

 

How does it help?

 

It's not like our owners are a bunch of asset stripping gold diggers. I don't believe anyone has acted in bad faith, clearly many wrong decisions were made. 

 

The same people you're saying to be angry with brought us some incredible moments. I'm not saying be happy, be sad, be upset, I just don't see the need for fury and anger.

[John12345]

You can't say we've been raided. We've sold sustainably. An asset here and asset there. And we have spent. Not colossal sums. But we've spent okish.  Rodgers should have gone a couple of years ago. We should be a middle of the road PL team. You can say thank you for the good times, and analyse and philosophise till the cows come home, but this is an epic case of mismanagement. You can see why, a son of a self made billionaire, is not a self made billionaire. And bad luck for us we had/have a lot of over promoted people below him from Rodgers up, without scrutiny. And the fans have every right to be full of anger. This won't be resolved with one season in the championship. 

[foxgas]

14 minutes ago, Captain... said:

So let's smash shit up and abuse everyone involved.

 

How does it help?

 

It's not like our owners are a bunch of asset stripping gold diggers. I don't believe anyone has acted in bad faith, clearly many wrong decisions were made. 

 

The same people you're saying to be angry with brought us some incredible moments. I'm not saying be happy, be sad, be upset, I just don't see the need for fury and anger.

I don't see anything wrong with being a selling club, Brighton are doing quite well at it. Keeping players letting who let their contracts run down has been a major problem this season along with panic signings that supporters demanded. We need to be like Burnley, have a reality check, and make the right managerial appointment, sort the finances out, pay off the deadwood and come again. 

Edited 21 May 2023 by foxgas
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