In terms of underperformance, Leicester City in 22/23 is one of the worst Premier League relegations of all time

[SafewayFox]

18 hours ago, Gamble92 said:

When he returns in an away dugout, does he get booed?

For me, it’s similar to a relationship that ends on a sour note, you tend to remember the break up more than the good times.

 

So yes, he (could argue rightfully so) would most likely get boo’d for his huge part in our relegation.

Edited 15 October 2023 by SafewayFox

[Gamble92]

6 hours ago, SafewayFox said:

For me, it’s similar to a relationship that ends on a sour note, you tend to remember the break up more than the good times.

 

So yes, he will (could argue rightfully so) would most likely get boo’d for his huge part in our relegation.

I think he will too. The media on other hand will absolutely batter us for it. How dare they? He got them two 5th place finishes and an FA Cup!

 

We even had Rio Ferdinand having a go at us for booing Chilwell because he was "part of our title winning squad". 

[trooky]

Pointless post, are people not happy with the positive atmosphere surrounding the club so they need to dredge up the negativity from last year. Move on.

[Les-TA-Jon]

3 hours ago, trooky said:

Pointless post, are people not happy with the positive atmosphere surrounding the club so they need to dredge up the negativity from last year. Move on.

Did you see that the post is from June 2nd, five days after the relegation?

[Gamble92]

I'm not allowed to reply in the Rudkin thread. Presumably because it's not in keeping with our tradition as a fan base to go against the wonderful people we have running our club.

 

But @Babylon I will reply to you here. 

 

https://www.spotrac.com/epl/payroll/

 

This is the Premier League wages for the season and I'm sure you have Google so can check what ours is.

 

Hope this helps.

[Gamble92]

4 hours ago, trooky said:

Pointless post, are people not happy with the positive atmosphere surrounding the club so they need to dredge up the negativity from last year. Move on.

 

[Babylon]

11 hours ago, Gamble92 said:

I'm not allowed to reply in the Rudkin thread. Presumably because it's not in keeping with our tradition as a fan base to go against the wonderful people we have running our club.

 

But @Babylon I will reply to you here. 

 

https://www.spotrac.com/epl/payroll/

 

This is the Premier League wages for the season and I'm sure you have Google so can check what ours is.

 

Hope this helps.

I hope it helps you to know that EST means estimated. It's also the most stupid estimate you are ever likely to see because they don't even use the publicly available data from companies house to show what each clubs wages actually are. Oh and anything on there is also a year out of date. Everton down as £77m wages when their actual wages were running £160m+.

 

We have also lost a huge number of high earners, plus there was the 30-50% relegation wage reduction clause. So our wages are going to have dropped significantly and certainly aren't going to be higher than that number of premier league clubs. Newly promoted clubs maybe. 

 

If you are interested in the financial side, check out @swissramble on twitter. 

 

 

Edited 16 October 2023 by Babylon

[Ted Maul]

On 15/10/2023 at 00:06, ousefox said:

Simultaneously one of our greatest and one of our worst managers. 

Thought this myself recently and tried to come up with another name in English football history who has a genuine case for being the best and worst manager a club has ever had, within the same stint- failed. Such a weird few years. 

[oadby.fox]

Rodgers IN!

[Babylon]

1 hour ago, oadby.fox said:

Rodgers IN!

… the mud.

[urban.spaceman]

On 12/10/2023 at 22:51, oz was my hero said:

Haven't read any previous  posts so my honest opinion  is ,  since the title win the club has been resting on its laurels. From the top of the board to the fans it's been an embarrassment.  All were and have been until recently living off the past. We've wasted money on absolute  crap signings.   Musa  and slimani prime examples. Lost our way in player signing principles.  Massive contracts being handed out like we were real Madrid.  It's like the board were working class people that won the euromillions  and thought fuvk it we're  going on a jolly for 5 years. Error after error with the we're  Billy big bollocks attitude .  Players saying we're too good to go down. Fans are guilty  for not screaming for Rogers out at least 12 months previous to him going. So to sum up it was a terrible  relegation. Hopefully  we have now been awakened. 

I did a massive post on this in the “sue Everton thread”

 

The way the Premier League operates is profoundly corrupt and only in favour of the “big clubs”, plus Tottenham.

 

We got promoted in 2014. In 2013 the Premier League had brought in an FFP rule called “Short Term Cost Control” (STCC) which essentially meant clubs were not allowed to spend more than a 7% increase on their squads from the previous season.

 

Those are the constraints we were forced to sign up to by just joining the league. In practice this meant that when we won the league pretty much by accident after finishing 14th the previous season, despite being the actual reigning champions we were only allowed to spend 7% more on our squad than a 14th placed club. Every single club that finished 13 places below us could have spent more.

 

And then when you look at how much money we actually earned that season - we didn’t even earn the most prize money - we were the 5th highest earners after Arsenal, Man City, Man Utd and Tottenham.

 

50% of the prize money is an equal share; every club gets the same amount. 25% is merit based, so the highest finishing club would get the most and the next club received £1.2m less and so on (now £2.05m per place).

 

But the other 25% of the earnings is “facility fees” which equated to £850k per every game broadcast in the UK, which are selected throughout the season by the broadcasters. We only had 15 matches broadcast vs Arsenal’s 27, Tottenham’s 21, Man City’s 25 and Man Utd’s 26. Liverpool, Cheslea and Newcastle each had more games broadcast than us.

 

Matches are selected based on popularity and what the broadcasters believe will earn them the most viewers.

 

The summer after we won the league was indeed a shitshow, but we hardly had a fair and full amount of money to play with and what we did spend, wasn't spent well.

 

So the Premier League has never, ever been about fairness. Ever. It’s a closed league for the “big clubs”, plus Tottenham and absolutely nobody else.

 

Us winning the league was an unwelcome accident and the Premier League has made it pretty clear just how unwelcome it was.

 

And that’s before you even get to the League’s failure to prosecute Man City for 15 years (Man City being allowed to appoint 66% of the CAS judges that decided in their favour based on “time barred” events that were only time barred because Man City absolutely refused to cooperate for 5 years; they should have been banned from Europe for 2 seasons - the 2 seasons we finished 5th should have been enough to qualify for the Champions League for 2 seasons in a row), or their failure to prosecute Everton for their years of over spending by more than 250% which kept them up at our expense last season.

 

In short, yes the club made mistakes, and failed to capitalise on certain things, but at the same time we were absolutely *explicitly* cheated out of the future our title win should have brought us and we have very, very good cases for suing Everton and Man City when they’re found guilty of their consistent rule breaks. As a fan I'd ****ing love for a fan group like @Foxes_Trust to sue the Premier League for a corrupt system that cheats fans and consumers, and clubs like ours.

Edited 16 October 2023 by urban.spaceman

[Daggers]

On 15/10/2023 at 00:06, ousefox said:

 

History will be kind to him

 

Really?

 

I bloody hope not. 

[Sampson]

On 16/10/2023 at 09:55, Ted Maul said:

Thought this myself recently and tried to come up with another name in English football history who has a genuine case for being the best and worst manager a club has ever had, within the same stint- failed. Such a weird few years. 

Alex McLeish at Birmingham could be another one

[Ted Maul]

43 minutes ago, Sampson said:

Alex McLeish at Birmingham could be another one

Not a bad shout. 2 relegations, 1 promotion, highest league finish in 50 years and their 2nd ever trophy... all in the space of 3 and a half years. Mental.

 

He didnt oversee a sharp decline like Rodgers did though- think he came in half way through a season when they were already struggling. They've surely had plenty worse.

[Lambert09]

Now that the dust has settled and things have turned around, I’m curious if other people slightly hold Dean Smith responsible. 

 

Firstly, what’s happened has happened and honestly, it’s almost certainly for the best as it’s gifted us the reset we needed. However; we have lost out financially and this will set us back in the pecking order that we’d worked so hard to climb. 

 

Obviously the board and brendan are responsible, but i can’t help but feel that took all objectivity out of the opinions made on Smith. 

 

Personally I think he couldn’t have got it much more wrong. Tactically i’ve not seen someone quite so confusing since Martin Allen, there was confusion, consistently different systems and some weird experiments (daka on the wing) 

 

I know he didn’t have time but given the players we had compared to the rivals around us, I believe we had enough to comfortably stay up. The difference between how sides like forest and everton raised their games in the run in compared to us was huge… we just didn’t have any belief… I just have a lingering feeling that most pretty average managers would have kept us up. Heck even the big sam and pulis’s of the world may have managed it. 

 

Dean Smith is absolutely not the villain in our story. But he certainly underperformed and i’m not surprised nobody has snapped him up. 

[David Hankey]

I don't hold Smith responsible. On reflection, for the amount of games left, it would probably have been better not to have employed anyone. We knew, more or less, what our fate was.

 

Things appear to have been turned around but that has nothing to do with the debacle of last season but all to do with the Maresca coming here. Success will have certainly rubbed off on him from his time at Man. City and is very much to our benefit.

 

Time will tell but we certainly couldn't have had a better start to a season. Long may it continue.

[kingkisnorbo]

Not arsed about Smith because we all knew he wasn't up to it and wouldn't keep us up. The blame 100% still lands at the feet of the plum's in the hierarchy who caused it and are still somehow employed. 

Edited 17 October 2023 by kingkisnorbo

[SemperEadem]

It's on Aiyawatt.

[ParkerPen]

if we'd have employed smith a few games earlier we don't go down.

 

why we had tweedle dee and tweedle dumb in charge for a couple of games i do not know

 

was Smith great, no. 

[Realist Guy In The Room]

Smith was dreadful.

 

Bravery was required and he had none.

 

 

[MattFox]

2 hours ago, Lambert09 said:

Now that the dust has settled and things have turned around, I’m curious if other people slightly hold Dean Smith responsible. 

 

Firstly, what’s happened has happened and honestly, it’s almost certainly for the best as it’s gifted us the reset we needed. However; we have lost out financially and this will set us back in the pecking order that we’d worked so hard to climb. 

 

Obviously the board and brendan are responsible, but i can’t help but feel that took all objectivity out of the opinions made on Smith. 

 

Personally I think he couldn’t have got it much more wrong. Tactically i’ve not seen someone quite so confusing since Martin Allen, there was confusion, consistently different systems and some weird experiments (daka on the wing) 

 

I know he didn’t have time but given the players we had compared to the rivals around us, I believe we had enough to comfortably stay up. The difference between how sides like forest and everton raised their games in the run in compared to us was huge… we just didn’t have any belief… I just have a lingering feeling that most pretty average managers would have kept us up. Heck even the big sam and pulis’s of the world may have managed it. 

 

Dean Smith is absolutely not the villain in our story. But he certainly underperformed and i’m not surprised nobody has snapped him up. 

His tactics against Everton (and Leeds to a lesser extent) cost us 

 

We completely played into their hands on the night in what was a very winnable game

 

 

[oz was my hero]

20 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

I did a massive post on this in the “sue Everton thread”

 

The way the Premier League operates is profoundly corrupt and only in favour of the “big clubs”, plus Tottenham.

 

We got promoted in 2014. In 2013 the Premier League had brought in an FFP rule called “Short Term Cost Control” (STCC) which essentially meant clubs were not allowed to spend more than a 7% increase on their squads from the previous season.

 

Those are the constraints we were forced to sign up to by just joining the league. In practice this meant that when we won the league pretty much by accident after finishing 14th the previous season, despite being the actual reigning champions we were only allowed to spend 7% more on our squad than a 14th placed club. Every single club that finished 13 places below us could have spent more.

 

And then when you look at how much money we actually earned that season - we didn’t even earn the most prize money - we were the 5th highest earners after Arsenal, Man City, Man Utd and Tottenham.

 

50% of the prize money is an equal share; every club gets the same amount. 25% is merit based, so the highest finishing club would get the most and the next club received £1.2m less and so on (now £2.05m per place).

 

But the other 25% of the earnings is “facility fees” which equated to £850k per every game broadcast in the UK, which are selected throughout the season by the broadcasters. We only had 15 matches broadcast vs Arsenal’s 27, Tottenham’s 21, Man City’s 25 and Man Utd’s 26. Liverpool, Cheslea and Newcastle each had more games broadcast than us.

 

Matches are selected based on popularity and what the broadcasters believe will earn them the most viewers.

 

The summer after we won the league was indeed a shitshow, but we hardly had a fair and full amount of money to play with and what we did spend, wasn't spent well.

 

So the Premier League has never, ever been about fairness. Ever. It’s a closed league for the “big clubs”, plus Tottenham and absolutely nobody else.

 

Us winning the league was an unwelcome accident and the Premier League has made it pretty clear just how unwelcome it was.

 

And that’s before you even get to the League’s failure to prosecute Man City for 15 years (Man City being allowed to appoint 66% of the CAS judges that decided in their favour based on “time barred” events that were only time barred because Man City absolutely refused to cooperate for 5 years; they should have been banned from Europe for 2 seasons - the 2 seasons we finished 5th should have been enough to qualify for the Champions League for 2 seasons in a row), or their failure to prosecute Everton for their years of over spending by more than 250% which kept them up at our expense last season.

 

In short, yes the club made mistakes, and failed to capitalise on certain things, but at the same time we were absolutely *explicitly* cheated out of the future our title win should have brought us and we have very, very good cases for suing Everton and Man City when they’re found guilty of their consistent rule breaks. As a fan I'd ****ing love for a fan group like @Foxes_Trust to sue the Premier League for a corrupt system that cheats fans and consumers, and clubs like ours.

Well I hold my hands up to you. I always knew there was corruption  for the Big boys . Man City I knew would get away with things . I didn't  realise the other stuff and it has opened  my my eyes. In honesty I was a fan that didn't  want a super league  for those guys.  After reading that I wish they would all fuvk off and take their plastic fans with them and leave proper football to real fans

[oz was my hero]

20 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

I did a massive post on this in the “sue Everton thread”

 

The way the Premier League operates is profoundly corrupt and only in favour of the “big clubs”, plus Tottenham.

 

We got promoted in 2014. In 2013 the Premier League had brought in an FFP rule called “Short Term Cost Control” (STCC) which essentially meant clubs were not allowed to spend more than a 7% increase on their squads from the previous season.

 

Those are the constraints we were forced to sign up to by just joining the league. In practice this meant that when we won the league pretty much by accident after finishing 14th the previous season, despite being the actual reigning champions we were only allowed to spend 7% more on our squad than a 14th placed club. Every single club that finished 13 places below us could have spent more.

 

And then when you look at how much money we actually earned that season - we didn’t even earn the most prize money - we were the 5th highest earners after Arsenal, Man City, Man Utd and Tottenham.

 

50% of the prize money is an equal share; every club gets the same amount. 25% is merit based, so the highest finishing club would get the most and the next club received £1.2m less and so on (now £2.05m per place).

 

But the other 25% of the earnings is “facility fees” which equated to £850k per every game broadcast in the UK, which are selected throughout the season by the broadcasters. We only had 15 matches broadcast vs Arsenal’s 27, Tottenham’s 21, Man City’s 25 and Man Utd’s 26. Liverpool, Cheslea and Newcastle each had more games broadcast than us.

 

Matches are selected based on popularity and what the broadcasters believe will earn them the most viewers.

 

The summer after we won the league was indeed a shitshow, but we hardly had a fair and full amount of money to play with and what we did spend, wasn't spent well.

 

So the Premier League has never, ever been about fairness. Ever. It’s a closed league for the “big clubs”, plus Tottenham and absolutely nobody else.

 

Us winning the league was an unwelcome accident and the Premier League has made it pretty clear just how unwelcome it was.

 

And that’s before you even get to the League’s failure to prosecute Man City for 15 years (Man City being allowed to appoint 66% of the CAS judges that decided in their favour based on “time barred” events that were only time barred because Man City absolutely refused to cooperate for 5 years; they should have been banned from Europe for 2 seasons - the 2 seasons we finished 5th should have been enough to qualify for the Champions League for 2 seasons in a row), or their failure to prosecute Everton for their years of over spending by more than 250% which kept them up at our expense last season.

 

In short, yes the club made mistakes, and failed to capitalise on certain things, but at the same time we were absolutely *explicitly* cheated out of the future our title win should have brought us and we have very, very good cases for suing Everton and Man City when they’re found guilty of their consistent rule breaks. As a fan I'd ****ing love for a fan group like @Foxes_Trust to sue the Premier League for a corrupt system that cheats fans and consumers, and clubs like ours.

Sorry submitted  to early, but I also still do believe there is no way we should be in the championship.  The players we had , contracts handed out, but the worse for me is sticking by that self centered pillock Rogers. We could , should still be mid table.  

[Clever Fox]

22 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

I did a massive post on this in the “sue Everton thread”

 

The way the Premier League operates is profoundly corrupt and only in favour of the “big clubs”, plus Tottenham.

 

We got promoted in 2014. In 2013 the Premier League had brought in an FFP rule called “Short Term Cost Control” (STCC) which essentially meant clubs were not allowed to spend more than a 7% increase on their squads from the previous season.

 

Those are the constraints we were forced to sign up to by just joining the league. In practice this meant that when we won the league pretty much by accident after finishing 14th the previous season, despite being the actual reigning champions we were only allowed to spend 7% more on our squad than a 14th placed club. Every single club that finished 13 places below us could have spent more.

 

And then when you look at how much money we actually earned that season - we didn’t even earn the most prize money - we were the 5th highest earners after Arsenal, Man City, Man Utd and Tottenham.

 

50% of the prize money is an equal share; every club gets the same amount. 25% is merit based, so the highest finishing club would get the most and the next club received £1.2m less and so on (now £2.05m per place).

 

But the other 25% of the earnings is “facility fees” which equated to £850k per every game broadcast in the UK, which are selected throughout the season by the broadcasters. We only had 15 matches broadcast vs Arsenal’s 27, Tottenham’s 21, Man City’s 25 and Man Utd’s 26. Liverpool, Cheslea and Newcastle each had more games broadcast than us.

 

Matches are selected based on popularity and what the broadcasters believe will earn them the most viewers.

 

The summer after we won the league was indeed a shitshow, but we hardly had a fair and full amount of money to play with and what we did spend, wasn't spent well.

 

So the Premier League has never, ever been about fairness. Ever. It’s a closed league for the “big clubs”, plus Tottenham and absolutely nobody else.

 

Us winning the league was an unwelcome accident and the Premier League has made it pretty clear just how unwelcome it was.

 

And that’s before you even get to the League’s failure to prosecute Man City for 15 years (Man City being allowed to appoint 66% of the CAS judges that decided in their favour based on “time barred” events that were only time barred because Man City absolutely refused to cooperate for 5 years; they should have been banned from Europe for 2 seasons - the 2 seasons we finished 5th should have been enough to qualify for the Champions League for 2 seasons in a row), or their failure to prosecute Everton for their years of over spending by more than 250% which kept them up at our expense last season.

 

In short, yes the club made mistakes, and failed to capitalise on certain things, but at the same time we were absolutely *explicitly* cheated out of the future our title win should have brought us and we have very, very good cases for suing Everton and Man City when they’re found guilty of their consistent rule breaks. 

I totally agree, It's also a restraint of trade as a collective.

I'd love to see a Fans group Sue the premier League in the interest of the future of the game.

And I'd be more than happy to donate towards it .

 

[Guest Col city fan]

I did try to tell ya’ll that the defense was fookin gash.. 

Putting 20 quid on us when we were 17/1 to get relegated though, made up for the disappointment.