In terms of underperformance, Leicester City in 22/23 is one of the worst Premier League relegations of all time

[coolhandfox]

3 minutes ago, Bezzanator89 said:

I know we, as human beings, are always curious to find new ways of showing the same information, or how to portray it in a different light. Kinda done with this now. 

 

We massively underachieved, we know. We will be having a mass exodus this summer, we know. We have been relegated, we ****ing know. Enough with the analysis, telling us things we already know!

Some people like to reflect and analyse things that happen.

 

If it is not for you, skip the treads. 

 

 

[Gamble92]

Can we stop the "European semi final" bullshit.

 

Was the biggest example of Brendan papering over his inadequacy and failure by stating that and scraping 8th like it was success.

 

We were languishing in 14th with a team vastly superior to that, having been dumped out a competition we were favourites to win.

 

UEFA created a new competition, that he said he didn't even know what it was, and we had to beat very poor teams to get to that Semi.

 

Its these empty stats all over the place that have kept him and everyone at the top in their jobs as long as they have and I'm sick of us sleepwalking into more failure because of them.

[Les-TA-Jon]

1 hour ago, Bezzanator89 said:

I know we, as human beings, are always curious to find new ways of showing the same information, or how to portray it in a different light. Kinda done with this now. 

 

We massively underachieved, we know. We will be having a mass exodus this summer, we know. We have been relegated, we ****ing know. Enough with the analysis, telling us things we already know!

Yeah it can definitely get a bit tiresome - I admit - this was mainly just a self indulgent bit of analysis - over the season I had said "If we go down it's got to be one of the worst PL relegations" - I was curious to know if that was actually the case or if it was quantifiable. 

 

You can always scroll on by if it's too much for you, but I'm sure other may be interested in the discussion point (on a discussion forum dedicated to Leicester City!) so I thought I'd share it

[Les-TA-Jon]

1 hour ago, Gamble92 said:

Can we stop the "European semi final" bullshit.

 

Was the biggest example of Brendan papering over his inadequacy and failure by stating that and scraping 8th like it was success.

 

We were languishing in 14th with a team vastly superior to that, having been dumped out a competition we were favourites to win.

 

UEFA created a new competition, that he said he didn't even know what it was, and we had to beat very poor teams to get to that Semi.

 

Its these empty stats all over the place that have kept him and everyone at the top in their jobs as long as they have and I'm sick of us sleepwalking into more failure because of them.

I wasn't putting any sort of value judgment on a European SF appearance - merely just presenting it as an objective fact - which it is. 

 

Yes there a wider context to it - as you explain - but we did get to one - and if anything it does more to show how much Rodgers messed up that season and this, by talking about it rather than ignoring it

[David Hankey]

Yes!!

[Dan]

4 hours ago, dmayne7 said:

But I think they'd also have to be on the champions League, have the 7th biggest wage bill etc. Plus they're a smaller club than us.

 

That's not to say that I don't agree with what you're getting at as the perception of them won't shift when they fail but I'd be staggered if anyone even comes close to the abject failure of this season.

I agree and I think that says it all - because the thought of them going down soon (and it's pure cope on here to suggest they will) is mental to me.

[Gamble92]

3 hours ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

I wasn't putting any sort of value judgment on a European SF appearance - merely just presenting it as an objective fact - which it is. 

 

Yes there a wider context to it - as you explain - but we did get to one - and if anything it does more to show how much Rodgers messed up that season and this, by talking about it rather than ignoring it

I don't think the fall from where we were last season to this is a suprise to anyone who actually watched us play though is my biggest point. 

 

To be in the bottom half of the Premier League you have to be abysmal. You have chance after chance to get out of it and last season we did thanks to a few dead rubbers. I just think if the Conference League hadn't existed they'd have been absolutely no hiding from what an utter failure last season was. 

 

I remember certain Leicester journalists coming out saying things like you can't argue with the facts. 8th and a Euro semi, and so many of us then we're trying to expose what a fraud we had at the club. This isn't just a fall from grace this season. It's been over 2 years in the making. Some might say even that first season he was here you could see signs of it.

[Les-TA-Jon]

1 hour ago, Gamble92 said:

I don't think the fall from where we were last season to this is a suprise to anyone who actually watched us play though is my biggest point. 

 

To be in the bottom half of the Premier League you have to be abysmal. You have chance after chance to get out of it and last season we did thanks to a few dead rubbers. I just think if the Conference League hadn't existed they'd have been absolutely no hiding from what an utter failure last season was. 

 

I remember certain Leicester journalists coming out saying things like you can't argue with the facts. 8th and a Euro semi, and so many of us then we're trying to expose what a fraud we had at the club. This isn't just a fall from grace this season. It's been over 2 years in the making. Some might say even that first season he was here you could see signs of it.

Agree. Last season we almost got dragged into a relegation battle too. Amongst my circle I was anti-Rodgers for a long time before others switched on 

[Foxaholic ME]

On 02/06/2023 at 15:05, Les-TA-Jon said:

I wasn't putting any sort of value judgment on a European SF appearance - merely just presenting it as an objective fact - which it is. 

 

Yes there a wider context to it - as you explain - but we did get to one - and if anything it does more to show how much Rodgers messed up that season and this, by talking about it rather than ignoring it

In my opinion the defeats against arguablly the 2 worst teams in the league and vfailure to beat Everton at home sent us down  2  wins against  Everton Bournemouth  and   Southampton  would have been an extra 15 points       which would have been a  48 point tally  hardly world beating and no surprise wins which in 9 seasons out of 10 in the Premier we always hadto overacieve

[ARM1968]

We were shite

[BillyFOX12]

We were unlucky. At least we're bossing the Championship innit lads.

[Pliskin]

Articles like this are stupid….. any team that gets relegated, are clearly not very good….. the worst ever are Derby, those who finish with the least amount of points are the worst. 
 

Utter nonsense. 

[Tom12345]

In my view, our relegation was worst than the notable relegations noted in the lead post.

 

Leeds - they were in financial ruins and had to already sell many key players before their relegation.

 

Blackburn - their squad was not that much more superior compared to others as ours was.

 

Despite having had so many players leave on a free or gone out on loan plus the sale of Maddison and Barnes - most if not all have gone to top teams/leagues - and that:

- our wage bill is still more than at least 9 clubs currently in the Premier League;

- we are so far ahead of other teams in the Championship,

it goes to show just how our squad should not be anywhere near relegation. Ours is quite a different story compared to others. Even not looking at mismanagement at the corporate level, purely on the basis of the squad, we have been mismanaged in terms of

- coaching

- team selection

- tactics (yes Rodgers did not get the wingers he needed and the club made a big mistake in not getting Lookman, though Rodgers should still be able to adjust tactics and also he still had the likes of Albrighton, Perez and even Praet who can play but he never liked them)

- motivation and mentality (this was by far the worst for me)

 

Rodgers said he likes to coach and improve players. However, the reality seemed quite different and at the least he managed to get a team to play much worst than the sum of the individuals added together. (Usually, a great coach gets the team to be better than the sum of the individuals added together).

 

 

 

Edited 12 October 2023 by Tom12345

[shailen]

We were a toxic club to be around last season. A culture created by the miscommunication between the board and manager and then the manager slamming the board for not giving him funds to invest which undermined the squad. 

 

This led to a real confidence crisis within our squad last season and it felt that it was most apparent at the back where we looked nervous all season. 

 

The new management has turned it around this season and look what a difference it has made so far. 

[Tom12345]

6 minutes ago, shailen said:

We were a toxic club to be around last season. A culture created by the miscommunication between the board and manager and then the manager slamming the board for not giving him funds to invest which undermined the squad. 

 

This led to a real confidence crisis within our squad last season and it felt that it was most apparent at the back where we looked nervous all season. 

 

The new management has turned it around this season and look what a difference it has made so far. 

The undermining bit had been around for a good 2-3 years prior. It is part of the negativity instilled by Rodgers - much of it due to him wanting to make himself look good at the expense of his players and the club and part of it his natural style (too risk averse).

Edited 12 October 2023 by Tom12345

[shailen]

6 minutes ago, Tom12345 said:

The undermining bit had been around for a good 2-3 years prior. It is part of the negativity instilled by Rodgers - much of it due to him wanting to make himself look good at the expense of his players and the club and part of it his natural style (too risk averse).

Agreed but it was blatantly obvious over last summer where even the media picked up on it and talked us down massively. Rodgers really did make out like he was a victim and his body language was abysmal for the position we were in. 

[oz was my hero]

Haven't read any previous  posts so my honest opinion  is ,  since the title win the club has been resting on its laurels. From the top of the board to the fans it's been an embarrassment.  All were and have been until recently living off the past. We've wasted money on absolute  crap signings.   Musa  and slimani prime examples. Lost our way in player signing principles.  Massive contracts being handed out like we were real Madrid.  It's like the board were working class people that won the euromillions  and thought fuvk it we're  going on a jolly for 5 years. Error after error with the we're  Billy big bollocks attitude .  Players saying we're too good to go down. Fans are guilty  for not screaming for Rogers out at least 12 months previous to him going. So to sum up it was a terrible  relegation. Hopefully  we have now been awakened. 

[Foxy-Lady]

On 02/06/2023 at 12:28, Les-TA-Jon said:

Surely no one at the club can seriously think we can bounce straight back? 

 

We've got 2 months to appoint a manager, a whole new coaching team, and probably 15-20 players going in and out of the club. It's way too much change at once, the club has already lost tons of income, now compounded by relegation, most of the parachute payment will be swallowed up by loans being called.

 

And this is a club that had 2 terrible summer windows in a row. I'm not confident. There's more chance of us going down next season than being promoted.

This aged pretty well...?!?    You still having the same thoughts now about bouncing straight back?

[gw_leics772]

Where else have you posted this? I would love to know the views of non Leicester fans after reading this.

[Stadt]

Even now we have weak indecisive decision makers, Maresca aside. Our captain was bottless, our manager a snivelling toad, our board directionless.

 

it seems even less surprising in hindsight.

[Gamble92]

The worst thing is no one really got made accountable and this season's brilliant work by Maresca will likely all be seen as Rudkin's superb work by Top. 

 

I fully expect an air of arrogance and a told you so attitude from Top and Rudkin to come from this. They'll not see their incredible ineptitude got us here in the first place. We are so stacked with players that would get into Europa League sides and above that we simply couldn't shift all of them in one go so have a vastly superior squad to everyone. Way to go Rudders.

 

That's my biggest worry. He's still at the club and Maresca will see through him, if he hasn't already. I really hope some kind of circumstances lead to him and Whelan pissing off.

[honeybradger]

1 minute ago, Gamble92 said:

The worst thing is no one really got made accountable and this season's brilliant work by Maresca will likely all be seen as Rudkin's superb work by Top. 

 

I fully expect an air of arrogance and a told you so attitude from Top and Rudkin to come from this. They'll not see their incredible ineptitude got us here in the first place. We are so stacked with players that would get into Europa League sides and above that we simply couldn't shift all of them in one go so have a vastly superior squad to everyone. Way to go Rudders.

 

That's my biggest worry. He's still at the club and Maresca will see through him, if he hasn't already. I really hope some kind of circumstances lead to him and Whelan pissing off.

Personally i am happy with the board as long as we keep on winning and/or improving as a team. It's possible that having Brendan Rodgers have so much power at the club it made everything go rotten. Before people say "who gave him that power", you could argue that on the face of it it was deserved due to his early succes despite the cracks beginning to show in 2020.

[Gamble92]

Just now, honeybradger said:

Personally i am happy with the board as long as we keep on winning and/or improving as a team. It's possible that having Brendan Rodgers have so much power at the club it made everything go rotten. Before people say "who gave him that power", you could argue that on the face of it it was deserved due to his early succes despite the cracks beginning to show in 2020.

You only allow that much power with weak and naive leadership to begin with. I think Rodgers absolutely seen Rudkin was a chancer who blagged his way to the top and ran rings round him. Him and Top. He's been at Liverpool and Celtic, then arrived at Leicester to that. 

 

They all believed his bullshit until it was way too late. I will never forgive the contempt they've shown for us as a fanbase by ignoring us. The way they barely even replied to any of our concerns too. Was like well we've won the Premier League and FA Cup, what more do you want? That was basically the attitude and in many ways still is. Gary Lineker's kind of attitude when he shrugged it off too. It's up there with the biggest failures in football history for me. Certainly Premier League history. 

[Mike Oxlong]

Thanks Brendan. You’ll never be forgotten 

 

 

 

[Vacamion]

 

It wasn't much fun, was it, repeatedly watching opponents outwork and run past a strolling Soumare and blowing Tielemans, or having been gifted the ball by big Dan Amartey, striking a goal through the spot where Ward ought to have been.  

 

We weren't good enough, we stuck with Rodgers for too long while he was making bizarre decisions, and the damage was done by the time he was punted.  Ultimately in that league, you get what you deserve, so tough nuggets.  

 

But if Maddison had slotted that penalty against Everton to make it 3-1, we'd have stayed up, because our finishing position and theirs would have swapped.  Small margins.

 

I wonder, in another universe where that penalty went in and we stayed up by a gnat's bawhair, whether the board would have kept faith with Smith as manager, in gratitude for rescuing us?

 

I'm not sure we'd have been too clever up there in the Premier this season, without the shock and reset caused by relegation, but I think probably above the current Premier League bottom 4.