Harry Winks

[ceebeefox]

Never want to see him in a Leicester shirt again, but last night he’d have got hold of the ball second half and found a blue shirt with his passes.

[ClaphamFox]

5 minutes ago, ceebeefox said:

Never want to see him in a Leicester shirt again, but last night he’d have got hold of the ball second half and found a blue shirt with his passes.

A motivated and committed Harry Winks would have been very useful last night and might have helped us hold onto the lead. An uncommitted Winks who didn't want to be on the pitch probably wouldn't have improved things much, and may have made things even worse. 

[Wymsey]

Presume his attitude problem started with the commute situation?

[Mike Oxlong]

3 minutes ago, Wymsey said:

Presume his attitude problem started with the commute situation?

I think it was when Enzo rolled off his sweaty body and left for Chelsea 

[brookfox]

5 minutes ago, Wymsey said:

Presume his attitude problem started with the commute situation?

Let’s be honest, without meeting the guy or actually being involved in the club day to day none of us know if he does actually have an “attitude problem”. Maybe at HT vs Sheff Utd he tore a strip off Marti for his tactics and laid into others for their lack of effort.

 

Not blindly defending him but for whatever reason this doesn’t appear to be the club for him. So given his contract best for all parties if he moves on in Jan if possible.

[Katy]

It seems his dickheadedness coincided with him having a kid. Weird, as becoming a parent generally makes people grow up. 

[Sly]

4 hours ago, brookfox said:

Let’s be honest, without meeting the guy or actually being involved in the club day to day none of us know if he does actually have an “attitude problem”. Maybe at HT vs Sheff Utd he tore a strip off Marti for his tactics and laid into others for their lack of effort.

 

Not blindly defending him but for whatever reason this doesn’t appear to be the club for him. So given his contract best for all parties if he moves on in Jan if possible.

I’m reading between the lines and I’m Guessing this as well.

 

Albeit, we are all Guessing in reality 

[FoxesTez]

Are we better with him in the short term? Yes. 

 

Are we better without him in the long term? Yes. 

 

This club is in decline because of not looking and planning long term.

 

Winks needs to go, or at the very least not play for us again. 

[Marshall Cockney Fox]

When Hamza and Skippy start in CM on Sat we may feel conflicted in our views about Mr Winks. Happy to move him on. But whilst he trousers a salary from us we need to use him as and when we need. Gardening leave only punishes us.

[sm1]

His name always reminds me of Jar Jar Binks.

[Molson Canadian]

I asked google AI what Harry Winks playing style is, and I got: 

 

Harry Winks' playing style is that of a deep-lying, technical central or defensive midfielder, known for his excellent short passing, vision, control in tight spaces, and calmness under pressure, often compared to Spanish playmakers like Xavi and Iniesta for his ability to dictate tempo and retain possession, though he can sometimes be criticized for lacking defensive bite or concentration. 

Key Characteristics:

• Passing & Control: A master of quick, precise short passes, he excels at building play from the back and keeping the ball moving efficiently in congested areas.
• Positional Play: Intelligent positioning allows him to receive the ball from defenders and find space, acting as a pivot.
• Tempo Setter: He dictates the rhythm of the game with his distribution, controlling possession.
• Comparisons: Often likened to Spanish midfielders Xavi and Iniesta due to his technical skill and composure.
• Strengths: High passing accuracy, good vision, likes to play short, likes layoffs, and is strong in possession.
• Weaknesses: Can be weak in concentration and doesn't often dive into tackles, preferring to intercept or position himself well. 

In essence, Winks is a metronome, a player who provides stability and creativity from deep, enabling more attacking players to flourish by consistently recycling possession and finding forward passes. 

 

AI is not correct, some of should not worry about AI taking our jobs for at least a few more years. 

 

[dmayne7]

41 minutes ago, Marshall Cockney Fox said:

When Hamza and Skippy start in CM on Sat we may feel conflicted in our views about Mr Winks. Happy to move him on. But whilst he trousers a salary from us we need to use him as and when we need. Gardening leave only punishes us.

If you've watched him play this season, don't understand how you can reach this conclusion. He's been a total liability bar a couple of little cameos. It would be punishing ourselves to play him

[Plastik Man]

29 minutes ago, Molson Canadian said:

I asked google AI what Harry Winks playing style is, and I got: 

 

Harry Winks' playing style is that of a deep-lying, technical central or defensive midfielder, known for his excellent short passing, vision, control in tight spaces, and calmness under pressure, often compared to Spanish playmakers like Xavi and Iniesta for his ability to dictate tempo and retain possession, though he can sometimes be criticized for lacking defensive bite or concentration. 

Key Characteristics:

• Passing & Control: A master of quick, precise short passes, he excels at building play from the back and keeping the ball moving efficiently in congested areas.
• Positional Play: Intelligent positioning allows him to receive the ball from defenders and find space, acting as a pivot.
• Tempo Setter: He dictates the rhythm of the game with his distribution, controlling possession.
• Comparisons: Often likened to Spanish midfielders Xavi and Iniesta due to his technical skill and composure.
• Strengths: High passing accuracy, good vision, likes to play short, likes layoffs, and is strong in possession.
• Weaknesses: Can be weak in concentration and doesn't often dive into tackles, preferring to intercept or position himself well. 

In essence, Winks is a metronome, a player who provides stability and creativity from deep, enabling more attacking players to flourish by consistently recycling possession and finding forward passes. 

 

AI is not correct, some of should not worry about AI taking our jobs for at least a few more years. 

 

Xavi Winks?🤔😂

[honeybradger]

6 hours ago, brookfox said:

Let’s be honest, without meeting the guy or actually being involved in the club day to day none of us know if he does actually have an “attitude problem”. Maybe at HT vs Sheff Utd he tore a strip off Marti for his tactics and laid into others for their lack of effort.

 

Not blindly defending him but for whatever reason this doesn’t appear to be the club for him. So given his contract best for all parties if he moves on in Jan if possible.

It's pretty obvious he's got an attitude problems from his behaviour on the pitch. His poor body language and lack of effort are plain to see for everyone as well as him storming down the tunnel multiple times at the beginning of this season.

 

If you saw a man coming up to an old lady at a crossing and instead of helping her he punched her and stole her handbag you should be able to infer that he's a twat without meeting him. It's the same with Winks, we have enough evidence to infer that he's got an attitude problem.

[brookfox]

14 minutes ago, honeybradger said:

It's pretty obvious he's got an attitude problems from his behaviour on the pitch. His poor body language and lack of effort are plain to see for everyone as well as him storming down the tunnel multiple times at the beginning of this season.

 

If you saw a man coming up to an old lady at a crossing and instead of helping her he punched her and stole her handbag you should be able to infer that he's a twat without meeting him. It's the same with Winks, we have enough evidence to infer that he's got an attitude problem.

Absolutely ridiculous analogy!

 

I didn’t hear anyone citing his attitude problem during his time under Enzo. So again maybe he’s frustrated with the managers he’s played under since (and who can blame him!) and their poor tactics. Which let’s face it, the rest of us are as well.

 

Again I’m not blindly defending him nor want him to play for us again, but without inside info it’s mainly hypothetical.

[honeybradger]

27 minutes ago, brookfox said:

Absolutely ridiculous analogy!

 

I didn’t hear anyone citing his attitude problem during his time under Enzo. So again maybe he’s frustrated with the managers he’s played under since (and who can blame him!) and their poor tactics. Which let’s face it, the rest of us are as well.

 

Again I’m not blindly defending him nor want him to play for us again, but without inside info it’s mainly hypothetical.

You're clearly watching a different player to me, Winks doesnt show frustration, he shows apathy and a lack of effort.

 

If he was frustrated and giving it his all despite the manager then im sure everyone on here would back him. As someone who cant stand him when he played like he did against Hull, leaving his all on the pitch, I had to hold my hands up and commend the tenaciousness he showed that day.

 

Sadly that's a rarity for him and he quite often doesnt apply himself, pulls out of tackles and doesnt track runners. When you look at Jordan James next to him you can see the real difference that a player applying themselves makes and Winks does not do that. 

 

He has been awful for 2/3 of his time here despite clearly being talented and yet for some reason I cant call a spade a spade and say he's checked out.

[dmayne7]

1 hour ago, brookfox said:

Absolutely ridiculous analogy!

 

I didn’t hear anyone citing his attitude problem during his time under Enzo. So again maybe he’s frustrated with the managers he’s played under since (and who can blame him!) and their poor tactics. Which let’s face it, the rest of us are as well.

 

Again I’m not blindly defending him nor want him to play for us again, but without inside info it’s mainly hypothetical.

It's not that hypothetical though is it. He's been called out for it and dropped by multiple managers. He's the guy holding that stupid Enzo sign. He's supposedly refused to stay at the training ground 1 night a week (the kind of flexibility expected in most office job contracts). He stormed down the tunnel at Preston (I think it was) when the other players came over to the fans. He's gone into to majority of challenges so half-hearted this season.

 

You're right that we'll never know exactly what has gone on but there's an overwhelming amount of anecdotal and actual evidence stacked up against him. Hardly unfair for us to come this conclusion. End of the day, as fans you're always going to have speculate to some extent since we'll never know the true story, so best we can do is base it on what we hear and have seen.

[LeePhilpottsBaldSpot]

25 minutes ago, dmayne7 said:

It's not that hypothetical though is it. He's been called out for it and dropped by multiple managers. He's the guy holding that stupid Enzo sign. He's supposedly refused to stay at the training ground 1 night a week (the kind of flexibility expected in most office job contracts). He stormed down the tunnel at Preston (I think it was) when the other players came over to the fans. He's gone into to majority of challenges so half-hearted this season.

 

You're right that we'll never know exactly what has gone on but there's an overwhelming amount of anecdotal and actual evidence stacked up against him. Hardly unfair for us to come this conclusion. End of the day, as fans you're always going to have speculate to some extent since we'll never know the true story, so best we can do is base it on what we hear and have seen.

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZNRNxYFws/

 

Unless there's more clips, looks like it was a woman holding that sign and Winks took photos.

 

Tbh I find the whole soap opera-ing of players' personalities tedious. You could do this sort of thing for loads of negative stories about the likes of Jamie Vardy, Steve Walsh, Danny Simpson etc in their 20s.

 

Almost all footballers are probably bellends.

[Phil Mitchell]

You can just tell he listens to Pitbull because he looks like Enzo. Phil

[dmayne7]

1 hour ago, LeePhilpottsBaldSpot said:

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZNRNxYFws/

 

Unless there's more clips, looks like it was a woman holding that sign and Winks took photos.

 

Tbh I find the whole soap opera-ing of players' personalities tedious. You could do this sort of thing for loads of negative stories about the likes of Jamie Vardy, Steve Walsh, Danny Simpson etc in their 20s.

 

Almost all footballers are probably bellends.

That's probably even more stupid then if he took photos of it and let them get onto the the internet. Either way, it's a complete pattern of unprofessional behaviour at a time when it can be ill-afforded. 

 

Yes, lots of them are probably morons but not all of them seem to get caught up, let alone with his hit rate in the past 12 months. This all comes back to the fact he's twice been dropped for his crap attitude and the performances have certainly backed that up

[Pita]

He’s a total waste of space just bin  kick him out 

[smudgerfox]

9 hours ago, Molson Canadian said:

I asked google AI what Harry Winks playing style is, and I got: 

 

Harry Winks' playing style is that of a deep-lying, technical central or defensive midfielder, known for his excellent short passing, vision, control in tight spaces, and calmness under pressure, often compared to Spanish playmakers like Xavi and Iniesta for his ability to dictate tempo and retain possession, though he can sometimes be criticized for lacking defensive bite or concentration. 

Key Characteristics:

• Passing & Control: A master of quick, precise short passes, he excels at building play from the back and keeping the ball moving efficiently in congested areas.
• Positional Play: Intelligent positioning allows him to receive the ball from defenders and find space, acting as a pivot.
• Tempo Setter: He dictates the rhythm of the game with his distribution, controlling possession.
• Comparisons: Often likened to Spanish midfielders Xavi and Iniesta due to his technical skill and composure.
• Strengths: High passing accuracy, good vision, likes to play short, likes layoffs, and is strong in possession.
• Weaknesses: Can be weak in concentration and doesn't often dive into tackles, preferring to intercept or position himself well. 

In essence, Winks is a metronome, a player who provides stability and creativity from deep, enabling more attacking players to flourish by consistently recycling possession and finding forward passes. 

 

AI is not correct, some of should not worry about AI taking our jobs for at least a few more years. 

 

Very interesting piece that.

 

My reaction is - does a mid Championship team need a “metronome” player? Indeed can it afford one such player? Especially when it comes at the price of Winks’ salary and attitude-……

 

Because the essence of the metronome is that it is other players who actually do the things that actually affect the outcome of matches. What use is the metronome without the goals and assists of James, Abdul, BDCR? We saw the answer to that last season…

 

Xavi was superb  but he played in the very best teams filled with match-winners..

 

A metronome is a machine which sits on a piano while someone else plays it….it might improve the performance but its absence doesn’t stop the piano being played….

[Sly]

1 hour ago, smudgerfox said:

Very interesting piece that.

 

My reaction is - does a mid Championship team need a “metronome” player? Indeed can it afford one such player? Especially when it comes at the price of Winks’ salary and attitude-……

 

Because the essence of the metronome is that it is other players who actually do the things that actually affect the outcome of matches. What use is the metronome without the goals and assists of James, Abdul, BDCR? We saw the answer to that last season…

 

Xavi was superb  but he played in the very best teams filled with match-winners..

 

A metronome is a machine which sits on a piano while someone else plays it….it might improve the performance but its absence doesn’t stop the piano being played….

It does enhance it though.

 

Technically he’s our best midfielder.

 

Clearly he’s been unhappy, be that managers, tactics, personal life stuff etc. that has impacted how he is perceived on the pitch.

 

We will have situations in our lives where factors such as a new boss, work requirements and family matters impact how we work. 
 

As supporters we are an unforgiving bunch really and quite tribalistic. We jump on situations like these but don’t really know what’s gone on. 

 

In a similar way, Vestergaard is also a player that is suit to a style of play that incorporates Winks. No point pushing the bloke to the half way line or asking him to turn quickly. 
 

If we had purchased players around the to compliments their weaknesses, then they really enhance the ability of this team. Sadly, we just aren’t in a position where we can now afford to purchase players of a similar ability technically.

 

They are both ball retention players and are best used in a system that keeps the ball for 60%+ of the game, wearing down the opposition by moving around. It’s great when you can pass to KDH, Akgun, Hermansen, Ricardo, Doyle, Iheanacho and even Vardy.

 

We currently have a handful of footballers at this club (Stolarkzyk, Kristiansen, Okoli etc), where playing the ball to the under pressure is effectively giving the ball back to the opposition. 
 

Ricardo is another as he’s brilliant but in-usable go 50% of the season.
 

On their day, Winks, Ricardo and Vestergaard all

get into the best team in this division. However they won’t this season because the other players around them highlight their flaws. 

 

 

[smudgerfox]

Technically he’s our best midfielder.

what does that even mean? 
Winks is good at receiving the ball in tight areas and quickly passing it on a few yards - that's it. His shooting is woeful, his assist record lamentable - he's a very average tackler and defensive player more generally. Yet we're all supposed to bow down and be grateful for his "technical ability.." while he undermines manager after manager..,

[ParkerPen]

12 hours ago, LeePhilpottsBaldSpot said:

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZNRNxYFws/

 

Unless there's more clips, looks like it was a woman holding that sign and Winks took photos.

 

Tbh I find the whole soap opera-ing of players' personalities tedious. You could do this sort of thing for loads of negative stories about the likes of Jamie Vardy, Steve Walsh, Danny Simpson etc in their 20s.

 

Almost all footballers  people are probably bellends.

fixed that for you