Tom Cannon officially signs!

[Clever Fox]

He needs to hit around 10+ goals before January if we are to get 10 million for him.

[JimJams]

There's nothing to suggest he's worth anything over what we were offered in the Summer yet.

He's scored in one game.  The rumours of selling him on for £10mill are further loans with options.

[Sly]

13 hours ago, JimJams said:

There's nothing to suggest he's worth anything over what we were offered in the Summer yet.

He's scored in one game.  The rumours of selling him on for £10mill are further loans with options.

Portsmouth were dreadful in that game as well. 
 

Mixed reactions on the Stoke forum.

 

 https://oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/313692/tom-cannon?page=51

My favourites pre Portsmouth:

 

Well he not another Wardrobe,a Wardrobes got more movement.
 

HES CRAP!
ABSOLUTELY CRAP!!!!

I don't get this Cannon love in. Haven't seen him do anything at all. Good nor bad just meh.

After Portsmouth:

 

Them finishes show that he can finish at least. We now know what he can do. Give him chances and he can score.

 

Hands up happy to be proved wrong i said he wouldnt score 5 all season. I mean he still might not but i’ll have some humble pie tonight
 

 

 

[HarryDee8]

Hope ruud gets this striker back off loan. 

[JimJams]

Why?

[Unabomber]

1 minute ago, JimJams said:

Why?

Score some goals 

[Guest]

I would rather he saw out the season with Stoke personally. Better for his development and while he can obviously finish I don't think we've really seen anything from him to suggest he's going to be the difference between us staying up or not - chance conversion is not really our issue. I might have liked Nelson back but that's not happening.

[JimJams]

27 minutes ago, Unabomber said:

Score some goals 

It's still too early to tell if he's a decent championship striker, let alone stepping up to the Premier League.  4 goals against the rock bottom club, 2 pens and a nice goal against QPR isn't much to go on.  Fans of Stoke seem to think he needs pairing up with someone.  They also seem to feel that the teams being held back by the manager so it's not necessarily on him that he's not bagging in more games.

Leave him at Stoke. I think there's more upsides to that than bringing him back to perform cameos.

[funkyrobot]

Cannon is better than Daka and Edouard. 

[JimJams]

He's already played more minutes in the Championship than Daka did, both scoring 7 goals in that time.  Daka getting more assists.

Though Daka did of course play in a superior team.  I don't think there's any clear indication he's better.

French Ed, I'll give ya, but we're wanting him out anyway aren't we?

[funkyrobot]

12 hours ago, JimJams said:

He's already played more minutes in the Championship than Daka did, both scoring 7 goals in that time.  Daka getting more assists.

Though Daka did of course play in a superior team.  I don't think there's any clear indication he's better.

French Ed, I'll give ya, but we're wanting him out anyway aren't we?

The eye test backs me up. Cannon just looks like a better footballer than Daka. Control, passing, ball striking, movement off the ball. Daka has superior pace but what’s the point if he doesn’t/can’t do anything with that pace. 

[JimJams]

Just now, funkyrobot said:

The eye test backs me up. Cannon just looks like a better footballer than Daka. Control, passing, ball striking, movement off the ball. Daka has superior pace but what’s the point if he doesn’t/can’t do anything with that pace. 

Fair enough.  Though Daka certainly has more movement in him.  If a chance fell to one, I think I'd take Cannon over Daka to finish it.  But I think Daka is more likely to get on things, because TC just doesn't look all that mobile.  And this is why I don't think it's worth bringing him in to the fold.  If we need a striker and Daka isn't deemed enough, I don't think Cannon is either.  They're both limited in different ways.  Or at least that's what they're showing.

 

It'd be mad if RvN could work some magic on them.

[whoareyaaa]

6 minutes ago, JimJams said:

Fair enough.  Though Daka certainly has more movement in him.  If a chance fell to one, I think I'd take Cannon over Daka to finish it.  But I think Daka is more likely to get on things, because TC just doesn't look all that mobile.  And this is why I don't think it's worth bringing him in to the fold.  If we need a striker and Daka isn't deemed enough, I don't think Cannon is either.  They're both limited in different ways.  Or at least that's what they're showing.

 

It'd be mad if RvN could work some magic on them.

Cannon has a good strike on him and only needs 1 chance to bag it while it could take Daka 3 attempts, if we are going to continue playing one striker surely it's worth giving him a go

[funkyrobot]

49 minutes ago, JimJams said:

Fair enough.  Though Daka certainly has more movement in him.  If a chance fell to one, I think I'd take Cannon over Daka to finish it.  But I think Daka is more likely to get on things, because TC just doesn't look all that mobile.  And this is why I don't think it's worth bringing him in to the fold.  If we need a striker and Daka isn't deemed enough, I don't think Cannon is either.  They're both limited in different ways.  Or at least that's what they're showing.

 

It'd be mad if RvN could work some magic on them.

Yeh true. I guess I’m just looking at the initial loan of Cannon away from the club, and then bringing Edouard in is very high on the newly created  ‘Dawson scale of stupid decisions™️.’ It’s clear from even our conversation that there’s not that much between Daka and Cannon (I’d argue TC has more potential than Patson) and TC is miles better than Edouard. I reckon RVN would work some magic on Cannon as he’s got the striking ability already. 

[CrispinLA in Texas]

4 hours ago, funkyrobot said:

The eye test backs me up. Cannon just looks like a better footballer than Daka. Control, passing, ball striking, movement off the ball. Daka has superior pace but what’s the point if he doesn’t/can’t do anything with that pace. 

But Cannon isn't a youngster from the French, Italian or Turkish league's with a foreign name  who Leicester bought for 20 odd million and the numpties who are in charge think he'll be worth 3 times that much in 3 years while at the moment he can't get used to the English conditions.

[Silebyfox_89]

He's a Temu Michael Owen

[Richard]

He's a 1 in 3 finisher but his overall game last season looked pretty poor. Can't hold the ball up, not as quick as Daka and terrible first touch

[It'sblueupnorth]

4 hours ago, whoareyaaa said:

Cannon has a good strike on him and only needs 1 chance to bag it while it could take Daka 3 attempts, if we are going to continue playing one striker surely it's worth giving him a go

Tell me you’ve never watched Tom cannon without telling me you’ve never watched Tom cannon. He’s missed some absolute sitters for Stoke this season and had 5 shots against Burnley yesterday alone. I don’t think there’s much if anything in it with them for finishing but Daka has more pace and better movement which will see him miss more chances than Cannon just through volume more than quality. I’ve seen nothing in Cannon that’s made me think hell be anything more than a Jordan Rhodes, McCormack, nugent type that will score goals regularly at champ level but doesn’t have much else to his game that will see him move up to prem level, whereas daka someone will take a punt on him because he’s more of a nuisance and can press with bags of pace and energy, despite not being that deadly.

Cannon does have time on his side though and maybe with a supposed decent coach in rvn that side of his game will develop. I also think at this time with the state we are in there’s no point bringing him back, fans would quickly get on his back and his confidence would quickly get sapped. Let him progress with stoke this season and have a look in the summer

[SouthStandUpperTier]

The 4 goal haul against a pretty dire Pompey team has really skewed his stats. When you give them closer inspection he's actually drawn a blank in 11 of his 16 games for Stoke. Not saying he couldn't be something in the future, but his all round game is quite a ways off PL standard right now. Best place for him is to continue to develop in the Championship.

[Guest]

18 minutes ago, SouthStandUpperTier said:

The 4 goal haul against a pretty dire Pompey team has really skewed his stats. When you give them closer inspection he's actually drawn a blank in 11 of his 16 games for Stoke. Not saying he couldn't be something in the future, but his all round game is quite a ways off PL standard right now. Best place for him is to continue to develop in the Championship.

That is my concern with him - he can strike a ball very nicely which is obviously a good quality for a striker to have but it seems like if he's not scoring he might as well not be there and really needs someone up alongside him to do the link work.

[Outfox the Fox]

Apparently, Souttar has already made enough appearances for Sheffield United, that we can't have a January recall on his loan. I wonder if the same clause applies to Cannon. He has been playing regularly for Stoke.

Edited 2 December 2024 by Outfox the Fox

[Fox92]

1 hour ago, SouthStandUpperTier said:

The 4 goal haul against a pretty dire Pompey team has really skewed his stats. When you give them closer inspection he's actually drawn a blank in 11 of his 16 games for Stoke. Not saying he couldn't be something in the future, but his all round game is quite a ways off PL standard right now. Best place for him is to continue to develop in the Championship.

I'm pretty sure his other goals were all penalties too.

[JimJams]

24 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

I'm pretty sure his other goals were all penalties too.

1 vs QPR, which was a good strike was from open play, edge of the box too.

Edited 2 December 2024 by JimJams

[SouthStandUpperTier]

30 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

I'm pretty sure his other goals were all penalties too.

3 of his 8 goals have been penalties. Although I don't generally like bashing players for being proficient penalty takers, a few more open-play goals would certainly help his cause.

[funkyrobot]

7 minutes ago, Richard said:

He's a 1 in 3 finisher but his overall game last season looked pretty poor. Can't hold the ball up, not as quick as Daka and terrible first touch

Daka also can’t hold the ball up, has a terrible touch and isn’t a good finisher. He’s quick but not lightning quick and he’s on a much bigger wage tbf