Notts F & Everton admit to breaking rules and face points deduction

[Chrysalis]

On 18/01/2024 at 13:28, Ric Flair said:

I'm still fascinated by these rules because barely any club operates a profit and yet effectively they're setting the requirements of teams only being allowed to spend 70% of their revenue. 

 

Where's the other 30% going?

Well my original reply was wrong, but I feel FFP needs challenging in court on that its basic principle is anti competitive business practice as football clubs are businesses.  However to stave of this threat I suspect there is competition rules that would throw a club out for daring to make such a challenge.

Edited 20 January 2024 by Chrysalis

[Sly]

24 minutes ago, Chrysalis said:

Well my original reply was wrong, but I feel FFP needs challenging in court on that its basic principle is anti competitive business practice as football clubs are businesses.  However to stave of this threat I suspect there is competition rules that would throw a club out for daring to make such a challenge.

Hence the European Super League will be born at some point. 
 

It is anticompetitive from a business standpoint. 

[Saxondale]

The Forest lost again 

[Spudulike]

11 minutes ago, Saxondale said:

The Forest lost again 

Hark now hear the Leicester sing.... 

[urban.spaceman]

 

 

 

 

[sylofox]

On 18/01/2024 at 12:57, DJ Barry Hammond said:

 

I’ll repeat what I said yesterday in that we should be really careful in pointing fingers, given we could conceivably find ourselves over a ‘financial fair play’ line at some point in the near future.

 

This becomes even more apparent when you become aware that the Premier League is currently consulting on changes to it’s Profit & Sustainability Regulations for next season onwards.

 

This includes changing the calculation to a ‘squad cost ratio’ in line with UEFA’s own new FFP calculations for its competitions.

 

That makes agreement to the change in calculation pretty much guaranteed - and I’d suggest that change is not going to be beneficial for us in any shape or form, at least in the short term.

 

https://www.linklaters.com/en/insights/blogs/sportinglinks/2022/october/uefas-new-cost-control-rule

https://www.footballbenchmark.com/library/overview_of_the_new_uefa_financial_fair_play_regulations

 

https://morgansl.com/en/latest/financial-fair-play-20

You can't change the rules and punish someone for something that was previously allowed. So any changes will have to be phased in over a period of time. Or any digressions ignored until off of the books.

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

It annoys me that clubs try and muddy the waters and state they have special or extenuating circumstances. Poppy cock. 
 

There should be a set punishment that is dished out when the accounts are submitted and found to break the rules. All this delay, trial by media - particularly re Man City - just highlights how weak and toothless the authorities are. Probably more concerned about punishing a team some regard as revolutionary and moving the game forward bla bla bla, and what that does for the leagues reputation and brand around the world. Grow a pair!

 

Also, surely to god this taints Pep’s reputation as some sort of god and seminal footballing genius. Those early days at City and when they weren’t winning the CL look even more questionable now they were also cheating and making a mockery of every (or a lot of them) rule in the book. 
 

And what’s more, Man City have actually been quite successful in steering the media narrative in their favour I think. There should be uproar from rival fans, particularly us lot as we’ve been royally shafted in recent years by teams who have broken the rules, but to some extent there seems to be a level of passive acceptance about it all.

 

Edited 21 January 2024 by Wasyls Pec Deck

[jammie82uk]

6 minutes ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

Also, surely to god this taints Peps reputation as some sort of god and seminal footballing genius.

How? It’s not the players or Pep that have allegedly broken any rules that we are aware of

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

4 minutes ago, jammie82uk said:

How? It’s not the players or Pep that have allegedly broken any rules that we are aware of

Well he’s been the beneficiary of a level of resource that no one else has got near because they have cheated. 

[Chelmofox]

1 minute ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

Well he’s been the beneficiary of a level of resource that no one else has got near because they have cheated. 

Pep still had to execute his strategy. In recent years, Chelsea, Man U, Arsenal etc have all spent big. The difference between all of them and Man City is Pep. 

[Arriba Los Zorros]

32 minutes ago, Chelmofox said:

Pep still had to execute his strategy. In recent years, Chelsea, Man U, Arsenal etc have all spent big. The difference between all of them and Man City is Pep. 

A million per cent this. Let's not take away credit from how brilliant Man City are as a team. They break financial rules and have a clear advantage over most if not all the competition but they do use money well and execute good strategy, and Peps a big part of that, before we even get into what a genius manager he is.

[CosbehFox]

What Man City have done superbly well is someone keep the extent of the charges under wraps from the media. We know why Forest have fcuked up and we know why Everton have (why on this charge it’s less clear cut). Media haven’t gone into detail what Man City have done 

[kenny]

34 minutes ago, Arriba Los Zorros said:

A million per cent this. Let's not take away credit from how brilliant Man City are as a team. They break financial rules and have a clear advantage over most if not all the competition but they do use money well and execute good strategy, and Peps a big part of that, before we even get into what a genius manager he is.

Similar net transfer spend to villa over the last 10 years.

 

They do their transfer business very well as do Liverpool. They have spent £100m less than Newcastle in the same period.

[Fear Of The Fox]

15 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

What Man City have done superbly well is someone keep the extent of the charges under wraps from the media. We know why Forest have fcuked up and we know why Everton have (why on this charge it’s less clear cut). Media haven’t gone into detail what Man City have done 

We won't be able to go into detail because their case is 3000+ pages. 

[CosbehFox]

1 minute ago, Fear Of The Fox said:

We won't be able to go into detail because their case is 3000+ pages. 

But we don’t even have the headlines of their charges 

[Chelmofox]

5 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

What Man City have done superbly well is someone keep the extent of the charges under wraps from the media. We know why Forest have fcuked up and we know why Everton have (why on this charge it’s less clear cut). Media haven’t gone into detail what Man City have done 

They've done the opposite. They've done a complete number on the media and punditry. They have had the press completely on side for years, and you only use your imagination as to how (it would have been part of the Man City plan for sure). Made me laugh after the CL final when the commentator alluded to 'little old Man City' dreaming to the top, rather than buying everything unfairly and breaking a shi1 tonne of PL and Eufa rules along the way.

[Chelmofox]

11 minutes ago, kenny said:

Similar net transfer spend to villa over the last 10 years.

 

They do their transfer business very well as do Liverpool. They have spent £100m less than Newcastle in the same period.

Well, they are benefiting now because they are using the cheating funds for yester-year wisely. Makes them different to the Chelsea's of this world that seem happy to p1ss money away on complete dross.

 

If i recall, one of the core issues from early in the current owners tenure isn't about transfer fees, its about how the afforded wages and how they paid players and management.  In the Man City case, don't just look at net spend.

[filbertway]

1 hour ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

Well he’s been the beneficiary of a level of resource that no one else has got near because they have cheated. 

Pretty sure they have been outspent by at least Chelsea and Man U in his time there.

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

1 hour ago, Chelmofox said:

Pep still had to execute his strategy. In recent years, Chelsea, Man U, Arsenal etc have all spent big. The difference between all of them and Man City is Pep. 

I’m not saying it totally detracts from his achievements, but for me it taints it massively 

[Fear Of The Fox]

55 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

But we don’t even have the headlines of their charges 

True but there are some sites which specialise in news on the legal sector where you can find more details about the case. I agree major sport outlets haven't yet reported in depth. From what I've seen there are some serious breaches there (Chelsea's case also is very serious especially when it comes to previous owner actions/activities). Both cases come also with potential criminal charges, Everton's one was pretty straightforward. 

[grobyfox1990]

3 hours ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

Well he’s been the beneficiary of a level of resource that no one else has got near because they have cheated. 

I would say a good few other clubs have outspent them in the period. Pep is a football genius, I would've thought that was beyond doubt now. Imagine if Jeremy Doku or Haaland had gone to Chelsea or Man U. They would've been useless and we'd all be making statements about how tough the PL is and how these foreign players cannot hack it. The manager makes the difference, reference Salah and KDB at Chelsea v now at their current clubs.

 

Saying these charges are a stain on Pep is like saying some dude who would've got 87% on an exam, but decided to bend a few rules and instead got 95%, is thick and would've failed.

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

6 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said:

I would say a good few other clubs have outspent them in the period. Pep is a football genius, I would've thought that was beyond doubt now. Imagine if Jeremy Doku or Haaland had gone to Chelsea or Man U. They would've been useless and we'd all be making statements about how tough the PL is and how these foreign players cannot hack it. The manager makes the difference, reference Salah and KDB at Chelsea v now at their current clubs.

 

Saying these charges are a stain on Pep is like saying some dude who would've got 87% on an exam, but decided to bend a few rules and instead got 95%, is thick and would've failed.

In that situation the person should be reprimanded for cheating! 

[grobyfox1990]

1 hour ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

In that situation the person should be reprimanded for cheating! 

Yeh that's a good point.... I agree. They are a cheat but also clever.

[sylofox]

23 hours ago, CosbehFox said:

What Man City have done superbly well is someone keep the extent of the charges under wraps from the media. We know why Forest have fcuked up and we know why Everton have (why on this charge it’s less clear cut). Media haven’t gone into detail what Man City have done 

I seen something the other day telling you what charges they had in what areas 4/5 different categories.

 

They are not being done with failing ffp as such. One that was quoted was Mancini he signed two contracts on the same day for 1.45m. One to manage man c, the other was for four days a year consultancy at one of the owners other clubs. Paid by that said club so its creative accountancy. So everyone of the 115 charges are going to have to be proven.

 

I wish I had shared the article but thought someone would have already done it.

[CosbehFox]

6 minutes ago, sylofox said:

I seen something the other day telling you what charges they had in what areas 4/5 different categories.

 

They are not being done with failing ffp as such. One that was quoted was Mancini he signed two contracts on the same day for 1.45m. One to manage man c, the other was for four days a year consultancy at one of the owners other clubs. Paid by that said club so its creative accountancy. So everyone of the 115 charges are going to have to be proven.

 

I wish I had shared the article but thought someone would have already done it.

Saw a claim about underage players as well