Notts F & Everton admit to breaking rules and face points deduction

[dmayne7]

11 hours ago, UniFox21 said:

Villa next to have to sell to remain compliant. 

 

That's about 5-10 clubs now either having had to sell, been charged or reported to need to sell to remain compliant 

Villa's spending has probably been the biggest joke of them all. The amount they spent in the championship and when they came back up was obscene and yet it's apparently fine.

[urban fox]

10 hours ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

Thing is, if loads of PL sides suddenly all need to sell then who's buying? It won't be PL sides will it. And can many clubs outside the PL match the wages/valuations? 

The rich clubs will be the only ones who will be able to buy any sort of quality. they will drive prices down, as clubs will be desperate, hence leaving those clubs with even more difficulties balancing the books and scratching around the lower leagues for bargains, whist at the same time selling their academy players to each other for inflated fees just to put them outside of other clubs reach.

The only up side to this is that it might give more opportunities to home grown talent.

[hackneyfox]

Are there enough compliant clubs to pay the fees and buy the number of players that others are being forced to sell.

Losing 10 points won’t be much of a penalty if all your rivals have been docked the same.

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

10 hours ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

Thing is, if loads of PL sides suddenly all need to sell then who's buying? It won't be PL sides will it. And can many clubs outside the PL match the wages/valuations? 

This is why we’ve been unable to shift any of our latest batch of deadwood 

[st albans fox]

14 minutes ago, dmayne7 said:

Villa's spending has probably been the biggest joke of them all. The amount they spent in the championship and when they came back up was obscene and yet it's apparently fine.

Grealish was £100m of income which enables you to spend a lot over two or three  years.  But then in years four and five it catches up with you unless you’ve sold some more players for decent money where you don’t owe much of the original fee (or academy products) 

[fuchsntf]

10 hours ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

Thing is, if loads of PL sides suddenly all need to sell then who's buying? It won't be PL sides will it. And can many clubs outside the PL match the wages/valuations? 

Isn’t that what many fans want to see..a more balanced group of

millionaire footballers. Bring our youngsters down a bit..

nothing wrong with sportsman having an higher life style,but wages and valuations

just went off the scale.

Its obvious several sides will need to watch their purse strings including top clubs.
Not that clubs will fall foul of FFP wrath,but will need to run a closer ship including the big boys.

Wages will fall,valuations will become more acceptable,that can only be for the good. Whether an agreeable level of parity can find an acceptable level one will need to wait..but fans shouldn’t get uppity or be bias about it but should embrace a non corrupt FFP rulings and regulations..That young boys dream will still be there,including protecting the backbone of players,behind the stars ..

 

Maybe..!!

[Spudulike]

9 hours ago, fazzyfox said:

Just sent my proposed punishment for Forest:-

 

1: 20 point fine

2: To be called “Notts Forest” by all media

3: Chris Wood to wear a “Woods” shirt because to be fair it’s hard for fans to distinguish between a New Zealand CF and an English goalkeeper from the 80’s so we may as well just give up trying to correct them and let them have their way

4: Made to play in vest, pants and plimsoles for rest of season.

5: Force them to re-sign Lingard and release Gibbs-White on a free transfer. 

6; Must field owner in goal which due to his size would at least ensure every game ends 0-0

 

7.Change the name of the stadium to No ones ever heard of City Ground. 

[Simonb]

1 hour ago, Spudulike said:

7.Change the name of the stadium to No ones ever heard of City Ground. 

8. Play remaining home games at Derby 

[WigstonWanderer]

On 27/01/2024 at 22:27, coolhandfox said:

Hopefully, wages and transfer need to come down for the good of the game.

And agents fees. Also, with players increasingly running contracts down that has to have an effect on what clubs can afford.

[dmayne7]

11 hours ago, st albans fox said:

Grealish was £100m of income which enables you to spend a lot over two or three  years.  But then in years four and five it catches up with you unless you’ve sold some more players for decent money where you don’t owe much of the original fee (or academy products) 

I'm talking about pre that. First year they went down they had a net spend of £40m+ and that was 8 years ago, and not a drastic fall like us so not previous European revenue to boost it. It was obscene money at the time for a championship club and it then took them 3 years to get promoted. Net spend of probably £150m when they came up which is again ridiculous.

 

And according to transfermarkt (which I don't completely trust for accuracy), they still lost money in that Grealish year (realise that won't be the case for accounting purposes) and have a net spend of over £300m in the past 5 years. If that's true, there's no way a club that size can't be breaking Financial rules. 

[RonnieTodger]

11 hours ago, dmayne7 said:

Villa's spending has probably been the biggest joke of them all. The amount they spent in the championship and when they came back up was obscene and yet it's apparently fine.

Yep. I remember them spending 8 figures on:

 

Jonathan Kodjia

Ross McCormack 

Scott Hogan

[dmayne7]

7 minutes ago, RonnieTodger said:

Yep. I remember them spending 8 figures on:

 

Jonathan Kodjia

Ross McCormack 

Scott Hogan

Totally forgot about Kodjia until I looked it up. And Ross McCormack racked up some impressive transfer fees for somebody who has as many awful seasons as he did good. He was the promotion chasing equivalent to a relegation specialist manager (Allardyce for example)

[Super_horns]

Appeal hearing this week .

 

https://twitter.com/SkySportsPL/status/1752290641835692091?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1752290641835692091|twgr^|twcon^s1_&ref_url=

[funkyrobot]

13 hours ago, st albans fox said:

Grealish was £100m of income which enables you to spend a lot over two or three  years.  But then in years four and five it catches up with you unless you’ve sold some more players for decent money where you don’t owe much of the original fee (or academy products) 

Yeh now they’ve traded that for 5 years of Tielemans sitting on a £150k a week contract until the bitter end.  

[MPH]

 

 

At this stage it might be easier to find out who has NOT broken any FFP rules and give them extra points.

[urban.spaceman]

 

[Guest Basildon Fox]

It seems that P&S is starting to creek at the seems.  Villa looking to offload Ramsay for £50m to comply with FFP but no one who wants him has the money to buy him because of P&S.

 

No Championship movements because of P&S at the top level so no clubs are making any money on transfers.  This then filters down to the lower leagues.

 

All this while you see Everton and Forest being hung out to dry and the biggest cheating bastards Chelsea and Man City continuing to get away with it by amortisation and dodgy accounting.  They refuse to cooperate so keep getting away with it as the Prem is scared of losing them to the European Shitty League.

 

Football is so dirty!!

Edited 30 January 2024 by Basildon Fox

[MPH]

6 hours ago, Simonb said:

8. Play remaining home games at Derby 

 

 

9. Put up a sign saying " Notts County are the better team" 

[Lambert09]

Just now, Basildon Fox said:

It seems that P&S is starting to creek at the seems.  Villa looking to offload Ramsay for £50m to comply with FFP but no one who wants him has the money to buy him because of P&S.

 

No Championship movements because of P&S at the top level so no clubs are making any money on transfers.  This then filters down to the lower leagues.

 

All this while you see Everton and Forest being hung out to dry and the biggest cheating bastards Chelsea and Man City continuing to get away with it by amortisation and dodgy accounting.  They refuse to cooperate so keep getting away with it and the Prem is scared of losing them to the European Shitty League.

 

Football is so dirty!!

Any club who set up like we had, is guaranteed to breach it. It’s the wages you have to keep under control. There’s a reason brentford aren’t being spoken about despite spending decent sums. Their wages are modest and that’s honestly the only way it can be moving forward. Hard to undo what we’ve done but we shouldn’t be having any players on 100k+ moving forwards. It’s just not sustainable 

[MPH]

 

 

Seriously though... if Forest have failed FFP as spectacularly as  i think they have, then its a very real possibility that we will have a greater case to sue them than we do Everton. Although it could be argued we have a right to sue both.   ( ask @urban.spaceman about it sometime ). 

 

 

We then are faced with the very real  possibility that by us suing them, it could send them into administration.  Our actions can directly affect their future.

[Jobyfox]

I firmly believe that all sanctions should be measured and reasonable with the club concerned in contemplation.

 

For most teams that will be an immediate 10 point deduction. In the case of Nottingham Forest, however, the club should be kicked out of the Premier League and EFL, liquidated and all their assets sold to Notts County for £1.00. 

[UniFox21]

Villa rumoured to be in trouble, but then bidding £15m+  (£15m was rejected last time) for someone. 

 

 

[Grebfromgrebland]

On 29/01/2024 at 11:56, Les-TA-Jon said:

Thing is, if loads of PL sides suddenly all need to sell then who's buying? It won't be PL sides will it. And can many clubs outside the PL match the wages/valuations? 

This is where the Super League and Saudi Arabia can step in.  Saudi can start fixing the account of clubs by buying their players or clubs can start to detach themselves from the restrictions of the premier league.

[Les-TA-Jon]

42 minutes ago, Basildon Fox said:

It seems that P&S is starting to creek at the seems.  Villa looking to offload Ramsay for £50m to comply with FFP but no one who wants him has the money to buy him because of P&S.

 

No Championship movements because of P&S at the top level so no clubs are making any money on transfers.  This then filters down to the lower leagues.

 

All this while you see Everton and Forest being hung out to dry and the biggest cheating bastards Chelsea and Man City continuing to get away with it by amortisation and dodgy accounting.  They refuse to cooperate so keep getting away with it as the Prem is scared of losing them to the European Shitty League.

 

Football is so dirty!!

I'm no fan of the Big 6/7 but this 'whataboutism' with Chelsea and Man City is getting a bit tired. They're simply a different situation. 

 

Man City's 115 charges have nothing to do with the current PL PSR thing. Never mind the huge complexity of that case + the deliberate non-cooperation from Man City. 

Chelsea amortised - but not in a unique way - any other club could have done the same. The PL have since voted to cap it at 5 years max. And Chelsea have made a lot of 'profit' by selling academy products. 

 

 

[goose2010]

27 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

Villa rumoured to be in trouble, but then bidding £15m+  (£15m was rejected last time) for someone. 

 

 

Imagine they are banking on selling Ramsey. 

 

Although I think there is still so many rumours flying around about clubs struggling etc. that probably aren't as close to breach as it's made out to be. Plus if they get in the champs league imagine a lot of these issues go away.