Conor Coady (signed for Wrexham, official.)

[NewquayFox]

If he leaves he has to be sold for a decent fee, a loan (as with any other outgoing players) is no good to us whatsoever in trying to get our books right…

[Finnegan]

48 minutes ago, NewquayFox said:

If he leaves he has to be sold for a decent fee, a loan (as with any other outgoing players) is no good to us whatsoever in trying to get our books right…

 

Not necessarily true. He has two years left on his contract with about 2.5m per year in amortisation. 

 

Firstly, we've only got to sell him for £5m to not incur a loss in the coming season. That probably shouldn't be all that hard. 

 

But loaning him out means we only eat the 2.5m he's going to cost us this year and that'll probably be offset by a nominal loan fee, although I doubt anyone's going to loan him for two and a half million personally. It still gets rid of some of that and a contribution to his wages. 

 

Edited 21 May 2024 by Finnegan

[filbertway]

Coady will be another player that we're paying too much money to. He'd be foolish to take a pay cut when he can hang out at the average footballers playground for 2/3 years.

[MPH]

Coady is a classic case of a club signing that the manager didnt fancy... 

 

I feel like Enzo sent out a message by not playing him..

[Ric Flair]

16 hours ago, StriderHiryu said:

7.5M fee, wages of 60K a week is what I've heard. There are some rumours they are even higher than that as there was a promotion clause.

There's a reason he dropped in to the Championship when he was close to signing for a Bundesliga side...

[Muzzy_no7]

I want him in the middle of our defence next season and leading the team out not selling or loaning him to some has-beens in the championship 😂😂😂

 

Its going to be a fight, we’ll need him.

 

 

[Muzzy_no7]

1 hour ago, MPH said:

Coady is a classic case of a club signing that the manager didnt fancy... 

 

I feel like Enzo sent out a message by not playing him..

Noooooo.

 

He was all over him and the injury scuppered his plans. He made it clear with last years pre-season comments. 

 

Vesty’s form kept him out, neither are suited to the LCB or RCB…has to be central of a 3.

[StriderHiryu]

1 hour ago, Ric Flair said:

There's a reason he dropped in to the Championship when he was close to signing for a Bundesliga side...

110% and you can't blame him. I dare say there's a reason why he's not too fussed not playing that much on that pay packet either, rather than kicking up a fuss.

 

Coady's level is probably top of Championship / relegation battling Premier League sides. For that reason I wasn't that convinced when we signed him, but did think it was a good signing to help us get back up straight away. We've done that, even though he's basically not played at all, which I think is a huge surprise, but these things happen.

 

I think getting him off the books is smart, but can't see Stoke covering all of his wages, which amount to over 3M a year at 60K a week. We might get a 1M loan fee or similar plus 50% of wages covered, but can't see much better than that. 

[Turtle27]

I like Coady, there’s no doubt he’s a good player. But there is a reason Wolves didn’t play him and then loaned him to Everton. And a reason why Everton didn’t make the deal permanent. 
 

he’s a great leader but he’s not what you require technically in the Prem. 

[Scotch]

For me, it's him or Vestergaard. I think we need a new central option, and one of the two of them as back up. The other can go. 

 

Similarly at RCB. It's Faes or Nelson for me, with a new starter coming in. Preferably Faes to stay and Nelson out on loan. 

 

JJ at LB/LCB with someone coming in to compete. 

 

[The boy Linacre]

14 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

Got £5m left on the book value on Coady and dread to think what wages we're paying him. Doubt he goes to the Championship without us subsidising his wages and what's the point as we'll need 2-3 new CBs already.

Allied to which aside from a slow start last season, he did nothing wrong, see Bournemouth.

[Ric Flair]

54 minutes ago, The boy Linacre said:

Allied to which aside from a slow start last season, he did nothing wrong, see Bournemouth.

I think he has a role here but Enzo seemingly doesn't and once again we've paid through the nose for players that our managers don't seem to want.

[Claudio Fannieri]

2 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

I think he has a role here but Enzo seemingly doesn't and once again we've paid through the nose for players that our managers don't seem to want.

I actually think Enzo rated Coady, he seemed to be the main man in pre season until his injury and then in fairness Vesty came in and was top drawer and there was no way he could drop him. Just a cruel twist of fate for Coady but in a funny way had he not had the injury then I am not sure we would have been as dominating with him as the focal point 

[Product of 84]

I think Vesty surprised Enzo with how effective he was in the system. 

[VLC86]

60k a week 😂 no wonder he was raving about Rudkin when I met him.

[Chrysalis]

The problem for me is the wages, it already was crazy for the championship even if he was going to play every week.  We EPL now but if he doesnt play, then thats more we can afford for a squad player.

I felt when Vesty and Coady played together towards the end of season it didnt look a disaster, but this is going to be down to the manager if he has plans for him, imagine we sell him then Vesty gets injured first week of season.  So am torn on it. 

If we sell him we do need to get this book fee nonsense out of our heads.

 

"Any" fee is a positive to the books. Likewise any loan will be a positive as well, but its a question of the positive is worth it for the loss of the player.

 

Example book fee of £5 million, if we keep him thats a loss on the books.  If we sell him for £1 million, some will say thats pointless as we still have 80% of the book fee and its a 4 million loss, I disagree the 5 million loss is already there so the 1 million fee is a gain, reducing it to 4 million plus the 60k a week gain which is another circa 3 million.  This is why PSR takes a dim view on this kind of accounting.

If we decide we want to let him go, Coady needs to decide if he wants game time or £££.  Stoke probably wont pay him 60k a week.

[Gamble92]

On 21/05/2024 at 18:08, Ric Flair said:

I think he has a role here but Enzo seemingly doesn't and once again we've paid through the nose for players that our managers don't seem to want.

You'd hope in any decent, well functioning setup they'd be the discussion of tactics and players at interview stage. I'm not suggesting anything like Mandaric dictating who starts scenario, but you have a vested interest in players not becoming worthless. I genuinely think discussions went as a far as - Top wants us to play like Pep, Enzo's just been at Man City and he's bald. That'll do. 

 

I get that some players just aren't in form or fall out of favour along the way - but in this case we had all but a couple of our wing backs rendered worthless and even a player they'd just given a 60k a week contract to barely played. This argument Vestegaard was just so good is bollocks to me. There were so many games we'd have got away with rotating Coady in but Maresca was too bothered about sending a message back to the board. You don't put 2 goalkeepers on the bench through anything other than petulance. 

 

 

[Chrysalis]

Just now, Gamble92 said:

You'd hope in any decent, well functioning setup they'd be the discussion of tactics and players at interview stage. I'm not suggesting anything like Mandaric dictating who starts scenario, but you have a vested interest in players not becoming worthless. I genuinely think discussions went as a far as - Top wants us to play like Pep, Enzo's just been at Man City and he's bald. That'll do. 

 

I get that some players just aren't in form or fall out of favour along the way - but in this case we had all but a couple of our wing backs rendered worthless and even a player they'd just given a 60k a week contract to barely played. This argument Vestegaard was just so good is bollocks to me. There were so many games we'd have got away with rotating Coady in but Maresca was too bothered about sending a message back to the board. You don't put 2 goalkeepers on the bench through anything other than petulance. 

 

 

Vestergaard fitting in really well with Enzo's system, it was like he hit the jackpot, no way he was getting dropped with how well he was playing.

 

However there is the question of why Coady wasnt tried alongside Vesty until end of season.

[Gamble92]

1 minute ago, Chrysalis said:

Vestergaard fitting in really well with Enzo's system, it was like he hit the jackpot, no way he was getting dropped with how well he was playing.

 

However there is the question of why Coady wasnt tried alongside Vesty until end of season.

Well Souttar and Coady did come in for one off games and bar the disastrous showing at Sheffield Wednesday where no one played well - neither did badly. Vestegaard was one of the players of the season but Enzo's the first to remind us how tired everyone is. At one point Nelson was favoured to Coady. If Coady was just performing that badly in training then fair enough but he never gave off the impression he was. The Bournemouth game was sandwiched in between the start of our abysmal run if I remember right and Coady was class in that. 

[ARM1968]

Might have been a power play by Enzo, but a stupid one. Coady is decent and there were times here we could have done with him last season. Yes we got across the line, but making a point by not playing a decent player seems a tad petulant to me. 

[Fox on the Rox]

His face when Nelson hits the target for the third time 😬

Edited 29 May 2024 by Fox on the Rox
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[suffolk fox]

Now Enzo is/has gone a lot will change including players coming back from loan and Coady going/staying etc.  Will indeed be interesting to see if Vestergaard is given a new contract?  Will Nacho stay, Ndidi?  etc will be interesting the next six or seven weeks.

[VLC86]

1 hour ago, suffolk fox said:

Now Enzo is/has gone a lot will change including players coming back from loan and Coady going/staying etc.  Will indeed be interesting to see if Vestergaard is given a new contract?  Will Nacho stay, Ndidi?  etc will be interesting the next six or seven weeks.

Vestergaard has apparently already signed.

[Bordersfox]

40 minutes ago, VLC86 said:

Vestergaard has apparently already signed.

I wonder how that works as aren't we still under an embargo until June when we technically become a PL?  Or does it not preclude players with existing contracts at the club having then renewed?   

[suffolk fox]

2 minutes ago, Bordersfox said:

I wonder how that works as aren't we still under an embargo until June when we technically become a PL?  Or does it not preclude players with existing contracts at the club having then renewed?   

agreed,  Vestergaard has not signed yet, we are still under an embargo until June 9th.