First past the post voting system.

[HighPeakFox]

5 minutes ago, Benguin said:

My only major criticism of FPTP is your voting power is limited depending on where you live. I live in a constituency that has changed hands a lot so feel my vote matters more but have in the past lived in conservative territory that even retained seats last night so vote feels a bit pointless. 

I think most people would sympathise with this.

[Guest Col city fan]

I guess it’s just politics. Having a system where every individual vote counted could lead to a situation where the two major parties (historically) could lose their power. And they wouldn’t want that, so the flavour for changing the voting system has never really gotten off the ground.

[kenny]

5 hours ago, Daggers said:

Odd that nobody complained about FPTP for the last 14 years. Wonder why?

Hear hear.

 

Labour deserve their majority and those that want to change the system just to suit their own view need to get a grip.

[kenny]

2 hours ago, HighPeakFox said:

I think calling the Greens 'lunatic' is pretty unfair.

A green MP is a bit like a sewage treatment plant. We all know they are important but none of us want one anywhere near us.

[Kisnorbo fox]

[Jon the Hat]

7 hours ago, brookfox said:

Pros and cons of any system, but not sure this looks right to me:

 

I suppose it depends whether you think having a low but evenly spread % of the vote a la reform should give you any power.  I’m sure really who would benefit from that?

[HighPeakFox]

4 hours ago, Kisnorbo fox said:

Sadly, this view will be shared by many, and it's precisely what those behind the destruction of democracy want us to believe. 

[ozleicester]

[filthyfox]

16 hours ago, davieG said:

We had a chance with the Con-Lib Government but it was the wrong option and didn't survive the vote.

 

Maybe people should have voted yes and pushed for a better option once it was up and running.

 

In all my years of being able to vote and I've moved up to 11 times I've rarely ever been in a situation where my vote would make the slightest difference.

... the election result in West Dorset indicates that actually, every vote matters.  This are now has a Lib Dem MP....    it previously had only EVER been Tory

[Facecloth]

9 hours ago, Sampson said:

Still cannot get my head round how a Christian can vote for Reform. It’s like the most anti-Christian message imaginable, none of it is about helping the less well off, the sick or bringing people together.
 

In fact it’s about privatising healthcare, and going after people because they were born in a different set of imaginary lines to you.

This has baffled me too.

 

I don't want to create a pile on or mass arguments, but @Benguin could you possibly explain how your Christian beliefs and morality are aligned with Reforms policies and the beliefs of their candidates?

[Benguin]

42 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

This has baffled me too.

 

I don't want to create a pile on or mass arguments, but @Benguin could you possibly explain how your Christian beliefs and morality are aligned with Reforms policies and the beliefs of their candidates?

They are not, as a Christian we should love our neighbour and Reform’s immigration policy doesn’t sound very loving. 

[Facecloth]

20 minutes ago, Benguin said:

They are not, as a Christian we should love our neighbour and Reform’s immigration policy doesn’t sound very loving. 

But weren't you voting Reform? Have I got confused here?

[leicsmac]

19 minutes ago, Benguin said:

They are not, as a Christian we should love our neighbour and Reform’s immigration policy doesn’t sound very loving. 

From what I can tell Reform fit the evangelical "Prosperity Gospel" type of religion popular Stateside in terms of policy, given similar policy over there appears popular with that branch of Christianity.

[brookfox]

6 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

I suppose it depends whether you think having a low but evenly spread % of the vote a la reform should give you any power.  I’m sure really who would benefit from that?

But taking Reform, 14% of the voters felt their manifesto best served their views. Or they probably just like Farage, but that’s a different debate! Those 14% of views are now represented by 1% of the parliamentary voice. You could argue the opposite with Labour. It just feels a bit off to me.

[davieG]

2 hours ago, filthyfox said:

... the election result in West Dorset indicates that actually, every vote matters.  This are now has a Lib Dem MP....    it previously had only EVER been Tory

Yeah well obviously it can happen but my experience stands and has happened again.

 

[Benguin]

36 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

But weren't you voting Reform? Have I got confused here?

No I said I cant find a party to stand with as I need to 51% agree with them. Conservative was the closest but can’t forgive the last few years, Reform and labour a close second. I went to the booth intending to spoil my ballot and them did enie menie minie mo between Labour and Conservative and it landed on Conservative. 

[Benguin]

37 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

From what I can tell Reform fit the evangelical "Prosperity Gospel" type of religion popular Stateside in terms of policy, given similar policy over there appears popular with that branch of Christianity.

Well the prosperity gospel ala Benny Hinn and Kenneth Copeland is a false Gospel, they are Wolves in Sheeps clothing. 
 

 

[leicsmac]

9 minutes ago, Benguin said:

Well the prosperity gospel ala Benny Hinn and Kenneth Copeland is a false Gospel, they are Wolves in Sheeps clothing. 
 

 

I would emphatically agree. Sadly however it appears to be rather popular.

[Grebfromgrebland]

The biggest worry for everyone should be how foreign interests such as the right wing in the USA, Russian billionaires and other nasty rich people are trying so hard to influence politics in this country. 

 

People need to learn how the media actually works as well as social media and the algorithms and how they affect the brain and also how politics works. 

 

Humans are surprisingly ready to manipulate, that's why advertising exists, it works.

[Benguin]

9 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

I would emphatically agree. Sadly however it appears to be rather popular.

Yep - Matthew 7 12-23 - illustrates this conversation perfectly.

 

It’s one of the reasons I love the bible and Jesus so much. A few years ago when I didn’t believe, I’d look to the likes  if Kenneth Copeland as proof Christianity was about power and money and clearly false. But no, Jesus knew branches of Christianity would turn out the way they have and warns us, it’s a thought that should bring fear and trembling to those who profit from the gospel, Jesus will say to people who think they are Christians: “Depart from me, I never knew you.”

[Daggers]

40 minutes ago, Benguin said:

No I said I cant find a party to stand with as I need to 51% agree with them. Conservative was the closest but can’t forgive the last few years, Reform and labour a close second. I went to the booth intending to spoil my ballot and them did enie menie minie mo between Labour and Conservative and it landed on Conservative. 

Another obvious troll

[Bazly]

Labour are going to be burnt toast soon enough.

Already unpopular in both leadership rating and the popular vote where 67% voted for other parties raising taxes and going loopy on identity politics will soon see large swings against them in by-elections. When they only managed a 33% vote share small swings will loose Labour hundreds of seats at a future GE. The next 2 elections have the potential for anything goes unless Labour effect constitutional change that will lock themselves into power.

[Benguin]

23 minutes ago, Daggers said:

Another obvious troll

Not sure exactly why you think I am trolling. I’ve spoken my mind. 

[leicsmac]

2 minutes ago, Bazly said:

Labour are going to be burnt toast soon enough.

Already unpopular in both leadership rating and the popular vote where 67% voted for other parties raising taxes and going loopy on identity politics will soon see large swings against them in by-elections. When they only managed a 33% vote share small swings will loose Labour hundreds of seats at a future GE. The next 2 elections have the potential for anything goes unless Labour effect constitutional change that will lock themselves into power.

This observation is interesting, I have a couple of thoughts:

 

- I wonder who will be best placed to take advantage of that "anything goes"?

- and if this is to be the future, I wonder how good a thing it is to take the eye of the ball when it comes to much bigger, longer term problems?

[Guest Col city fan]

31 minutes ago, Benguin said:

Not sure exactly why you think I am trolling. I’ve spoken my mind. 

You aren’t trolling mate. You’ve been told you’re trolling by those who use the term, to their own convenience, to ridicule anyone or anything they don’t agree with. It’s another example that of the cancel culture in action.

You can vote REFORM and still be Christian. Of course you can