US Presidential Election 2024

[Jattdogg]

1 hour ago, ARTY_FOX said:

Obvious result. 

Wonder if biden would have done better

[Babylon]

1 hour ago, Father Ted said:

Oh when the liberals lose its great to watch isn’t it 🤣🤣 

As opposed to the right wing who took it all so graciously last time out.

[leicsmac]

1 hour ago, fox_up_north said:

All the posters in the room. Like this post if you agree on the following, to find some common ground, at least.

 

You want everyone to be able to have a job that pays for their family

 

You want everyone to be able to access care (emergency or otherwise) that they might need for illnesses and diseases, without worrying about the financial impact

 

You want everyone to live in a world where they aren't concerned that adverse weather conditions might considerably impact their lives (fires, flooding, drought, etc)

 

You want everyone to be able to express their own beliefs and culture in a safe way that doesn't physically impact other people, and they aren't at risk of persecution for doing so.

 

Nothing partisan. Just, do you want people to be able to enjoy those things?

 

Bringing this back to the fore, because it's important.

 

Also just a few more observations:

 

- whoever takes charge in 2028 will have work to do.

 

- a few posters on here said that Biden 2020 would lead nowhere good in four years time. That was pretty spot on.

 

 

 

[Babylon]

2 hours ago, Tuna said:

What were the democrats thinking trying to run with Biden? The biggest mistake was not making the decision for him not to run a year ago giving their candidate a clear run at it.

I liken it to the club deciding to stick with Rodgers. Everyone could see the warning signs, but they hoped they'd bumble through and do just enough... 

[Daggers]

The tenuous posts for likes and views has begun...

 

 

[st albans fox]

1 minute ago, Daggers said:

The tenuous posts for likes and views has begun...

 

 

Surely that is the most random tweet ever ?

how do you ever think of stuff like that ???

Edited 6 November 2024 by st albans fox

[Daggers]

Just now, st albans fox said:

Surely that is the most random tweet ever ?.

It's glorious 

[Cadno'r Cymoedd]

4 hours ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

Have we got actual people in here who live in the US saying Trump has improved their lives and their family lives?

 

And we’ve got people who don’t live in the US telling them they’re wrong and they’re stupid? 

 

Why is the standard response always people don’t understand what they’re voting for or people are stupid? Happened with Brexit, happened with the Tory victory with Boris, happened both times under Trump. 

Because of what Trump is - a fascist, convicted felon, sexual predator, and fraudster who sought to initiate insurrection last time to destroy democracy. And the facts are that many people in the US actually got much poorer under Trump last time round.

 

https://inequality.org/research/trump-income-inequality/

 

You and others might know a few family members and friends that did benefit. I have (fairly distant) relatives who are Trump supporters in Texas, who perhaps did benefit a little, I don't know. But they are intolerant bigots who don't give a shit about anyone other than themselves. They visited 8 years back, doing family history, and I couldn't wait to get rid of them with their backward, stupid invective they mistakenly thought I would share. 

 

And Brexit has proved to be great for business hasn't it? 

Edited 6 November 2024 by Cadno'r Cymoedd

[ozleicester]

[leicsmac]

The Russians and Chinese must be watching all of this and pissing themselves with laughter, too.

[Gubbins]

Think that's probably it for the chances of a woman ever becoming potus. Whilst it's easy to think that Trumps win is the end of all things you've got to bear in mind he only stood for re election for 2 reasons, to stay out of jail and to massage his own ego after losing last time. I think/hope hel actually be quite half hearted in what he tries to achieve. Hel continue to say outrageous stuff to feed his base and piss off the liberals but since he won't be running again hel actually give less of a **** as time goes on. He doesn't care about what happens to the republican party in 4 years and hes an old man. Hel probably  spend the majority of time playing golf.

[st albans fox]

7 minutes ago, Cadno'r Cymoedd said:

Because of what Trump is - a fascist, convicted felon, sexual predator, and fraudster who sought to initiate insurrection last time to destroy democracy. And the facts are that many people in the US actually got much poorer under Trump last time round

Yeah but he said he’d MAGA so what does that bitty stuff matter …….

 

Let he who has never parked on a double yellow cast the first stone ……….

 

they don’t see it as real - it’s just stuff that ‘the machine’ has made up to beat their guy 

 

Fwiw, I’m hoping that the rhetoric is mainly just that and that he sees opportunities to actually leave a global legacy over the next few years and grasps them rather than the low hanging fruit.

 

my biggest concern is that he doesn’t make it past year 2 and that Vance takes over. 

 

 

 

[Koke]

Last time Trump got elected we won the league and went to on to have some great years. So there's a silver lining

 

[Dunge]

4 minutes ago, Gubbins said:

Think that's probably it for the chances of a woman ever becoming potus. Whilst it's easy to think that Trumps win is the end of all things you've got to bear in mind he only stood for re election for 2 reasons, to stay out of jail and to massage his own ego after losing last time. I think/hope hel actually be quite half hearted in what he tries to achieve. Hel continue to say outrageous stuff to feed his base and piss off the liberals but since he won't be running again hel actually give less of a **** as time goes on. He doesn't care about what happens to the republican party in 4 years and hes an old man. Hel probably  spend the majority of time playing golf.

If he’s genuinely not interested in trying to change the law to get a third term, I think this is highly likely. He could easily lose interest quickly.

[hejammy]

56 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

Have we got actual people in here who live in the US saying Trump has improved their lives and their family lives?

 

And we’ve got people who don’t live in the US telling them they’re wrong and they’re stupid? 

 

Why is the standard response always people don’t understand what they’re voting for or people are stupid? Happened with Brexit, happened with the Tory victory with Boris, happened both times under Trump. 

Well as others have said - Could it possibly be that the response people are the ones who do understand and the voters are the ones that do not!?

Brexit is a failure and has made this country a lot weaker and isolated. To think that we were once the power we were was a grave mistake by the Brexiters, we make next to nothing ourselves and our service sector is dwindling rapidly. 

 

Boris - well we know how good he was - especially with all the issues with Covid - parties, misspent funds, making friends and family rich etc etc. 

 

So perhaps - just perhaps - we now live in a world where the minority are actually the informed and the majority have fallen for rhetoric which some powers that be want to give to control the masses. 

 

 

[Trav Le Bleu]

14 minutes ago, ozleicester said:

Which is exactly what Donald does.

 

In many ways he's great at it, the best ever and ever will be.

[Leicester_Loyal]

20 minutes ago, Cadno'r Cymoedd said:

Because of what Trump is - a fascist, convicted felon, sexual predator, and fraudster who sought to initiate insurrection last time to destroy democracy. And the facts are that many people in the US actually got much poorer under Trump last time round.

 

https://inequality.org/research/trump-income-inequality/

 

You and others might know might know a few family members and friends that did benefit. I have (fairly distant) relatives who are Trump supporters in Texas, who perhaps did benefit a little, I don't know. But they are intolerant bigots who don't give a shit about anyone other than themselves. They visited 8 years back, doing family history, and I couldn't wait to get rid of them with their backward, stupid invective they mistakenly thought I would share. 

 

And Brexit has proved to be great for business hasn't it? 

 

4 minutes ago, hejammy said:

Well as others have said - Could it possibly be that the response people are the ones who do understand and the voters are the ones that do not!?

Brexit is a failure and has made this country a lot weaker and isolated. To think that we were once the power we were was a grave mistake by the Brexiters, we make next to nothing ourselves and our service sector is dwindling rapidly. 

 

Boris - well we know how good he was - especially with all the issues with Covid - parties, misspent funds, making friends and family rich etc etc. 

 

So perhaps - just perhaps - we now live in a world where the minority are actually the informed and the majority have fallen for rhetoric which some powers that be want to give to control the masses. 

 

 

You engage is discussions with people, that's how you get them on your side.

 

When will people realise calling people thick, stupid, idiots and the rest of it isn't gonna convince someone that actually you're right and maybe they should casting their vote elsewhere.

 

People will just carry on doing so regardless, in 4/8 years we'll be sat here wondering why the 'thickos' have cast so many votes for Reform and for the Tory party. And likely I'll be here posting the exact same thing.

[Trav Le Bleu]

9 minutes ago, Koke said:

Last time Trump got elected we won the league and went to on to have some great years. So there's a silver lining

 

That was after we won the league.

 

We were champions long before Donny Fart.

[ajthefox]

3 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

This was 20 years ago and they've only gotten dumber.

 

I know that's the mirror so it's hardly any barometer of good press, but clearly the media have learnt nothing in that time either, and neither have plenty of people over here.

 

Many don't appear to care what Trump does, there is undoubtedly a level of cultist appeal, but there must be a great number of people who simply couldn't vote for Kamala for some reason.

 

I don't really understand it and I'm not sure what the answer is, but calling all of trumps 70 million voters dumb isn't it. It isn't that black and white and you well know that.

 

 

 

[leicsmac]

22 minutes ago, Gubbins said:

Think that's probably it for the chances of a woman ever becoming potus. Whilst it's easy to think that Trumps win is the end of all things you've got to bear in mind he only stood for re election for 2 reasons, to stay out of jail and to massage his own ego after losing last time. I think/hope hel actually be quite half hearted in what he tries to achieve. Hel continue to say outrageous stuff to feed his base and piss off the liberals but since he won't be running again hel actually give less of a **** as time goes on. He doesn't care about what happens to the republican party in 4 years and hes an old man. Hel probably  spend the majority of time playing golf.

 

Hopefully not, but if it is, what a sad indictment of the way things are.

 

7 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

 

You engage is discussions with people, that's how you get them on your side.

 

When will people realise calling people thick, stupid, idiots and the rest of it isn't gonna convince someone that actually you're right and maybe they should casting their vote elsewhere.

 

People will just carry on doing so regardless, in 4/8 years we'll be sat here wondering why the 'thickos' have cast so many votes for Reform and for the Tory party. And likely I'll be here posting the exact same thing.

... and I wonder what the logical outcome for that dysfunction, accurate as it may be, is for our species.

[hejammy]

6 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

 

You engage is discussions with people, that's how you get them on your side.

 

When will people realise calling people thick, stupid, idiots and the rest of it isn't gonna convince someone that actually you're right and maybe they should casting their vote elsewhere.

 

People will just carry on doing so regardless, in 4/8 years we'll be sat here wondering why the 'thickos' have cast so many votes for Reform and for the Tory party. And likely I'll be here posting the exact same thing.

But the biggest and hardest thing to do is engage with people who have listened to a rhetoric saying exactly what they want to hear (even if it's all BS and with no substance) - taking the high road is the most difficult road to take combating against those who use any tools necessary, so what do you do here - keep telling the "thickos" that they are being tricked or start trying to deceive them yourself? 

[hejammy]

7 minutes ago, bungy said:

Haven’t stopped laughing all day 😁😁 pathetic liberal wet wipes!!

oh boy.... (true colours are being shown on this forum)

[bovril]

6 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

 

You engage is discussions with people, that's how you get them on your side.

 

When will people realise calling people thick, stupid, idiots and the rest of it isn't gonna convince someone that actually you're right and maybe they should casting their vote elsewhere.

 

People will just carry on doing so regardless, in 4/8 years we'll be sat here wondering why the 'thickos' have cast so many votes for Reform and for the Tory party. And likely I'll be here posting the exact same thing.

I know stuff like this has been posted a million times before but I think the left, at least in America, needs to get over this obsession with 'disinformation'. People have different backgrounds, upbringings, experiences that lead them to value different things. Not everything comes down to the ability to critically evaluate posts on social media. 

[Gubbins]

Just now, leicsmac said:

 

Hopefully not, but if it is, what a sad indictment of the way things are.

I don't see how it won't be. Certainly the Democrats will never do it again.  This election had abortion and women's rights as big issues and an opponent who is both crass and misogynistic, surely favourable for a female candidate and she's been completely blown out the water. 

[Lionator]

People really underestimate how different the USA is compared not only to the UK, but to the rest of Europe. You could walk from the deepest part of Sicily to the most northern part of Norway and you’d find more commonality than you would with Floridians. Americans on the whole are just really inherently selfish and conservative, which is not a surprise given it’s not even 250 years old. 
 

Moral grandstanding and catastrophising is literally the reason why this stuff happens. The Democrats did not sufficiently do enough to win the trust of the population. And I really do believe that the democrats lost this election rather than Trump winning it. They are a pathetic party that have put up three pathetically bad candidates (Biden was too old, Clinton deeply unpopular, Harris just wasn’t ready) in past three elections. Time for some fresh blood and a reassessment of how they can bounce back as they should be winning in 2028.