Facundo Buonanotte joins on loan - Official

[Dahnsouff]

Mads for Facundo straight swap. 

[Fazzer 7]

This lad is such a good player and will only improve. Thank Christ we've got him for the season that's all I can say. If we do somehow manage to stay up it will be a wrench to let him go. 

[fox_favourite]

5 hours ago, sm1 said:

As good a passage of football as

you'll likely to see this weekend. Puts pay to the notion that some of our own fans have, that we're a shit newly promoted team that should be happy to just be playing in the PL. If we play a trio of Mav, Facundo and Abdul, we could be deadly going forward.

 

 

5 hours ago, StriderHiryu said:

 

^ Another great team move!

 

• Mads patient to bait the press and uses his CBs to get out keeping the ball
• Mavididi cool and calm under pressure.
• Okoli with a superb line-breaking pass to open up the game. High risk but high reward.
• Ndidi, Faes and JJ play good first time passes to keep the move flowing.
• Buonanotte with a good progressive carry and a superb pass to Vardy who should score!

Only one bad thing about this move and that was the finish!

 

This was reminscent of last season and was good football. Cooper is frustrating because we ARE capable of playing like this. But we aren't brave enough to try it more often. But credit where it's due, this was great to watch!

That's what's so frustrating. It's obvious, and he doesn't use it. That passage of play was the best this season by a country mile and was done against a decent side on form. We're are so much better than what we've shown and that's the frustration. I'm not expecting that every game, but proves we can do it and do it well! 

 

Other fans and pundits don't get it. I'm not hating on cooper because of the forest links, nor that because we're a new promoted side it'll be tough. It's because he's holding us back and looking lost, this is proof we can compete. We have a squad of prem players. Some have played in Europe recently...for us!!!!

Edited 6 October 2024 by fox_favourite

[LCFCJohn]

8 hours ago, FBTN said:

Brighton fan here (pleasantly surprised I can post without registering). 

 

FB showed flashes of brilliance last year, but wasn't consistent enough to secure a place in the starting line up. Based on our spending over the summer, it's not impossible to think Bloom is looking at a top 8 finish, and unfortunately FB just isn't at that level quite yet. 

 

As mentioned we have Georginio (£40m signing) and Pedro (£30m signing) in his position, and also a few others that can play as a CAM if required. With this in mind and his lack of effectiveness last season, I can see why he was loaned out. Do note though that there was some discontent with his loaning based on his ability and future potential, combined with the fact he's quite a likable fella. 

 

I'm so pleased to see him thrive at Leicester, not least because you're one of the most likeable clubs in the Prem, but also because he's finally fulfilling the potential he has shown for the last 3 years. Before we signing him Tévez touted him as the next Messi, which does seem farfetched, but also shows how highly rated he is in Argentina. 

 

Next season I imagine one of Pedro, Georginio or Buonanotte will be sold. £40m + a sell on fee would be more than fair I imagine (we sold MacAllister for less). 

You must have your head stuck in 2016 with this bit! We’re public enemy number one now 

 

Just on your last bit, I’d have thought a Rutter or Pedro sale would be less likely given the fees they were brought in for and there being less scope for profit, which is what your guys do very well. On that basis, a Buonanotte sale potentially makes more sense for Brighton?

[JeffreyDiddum]

On 19/08/2024 at 23:41, JeffreyDiddum said:

Buonanotte was seen as a right winger by the club, where he’d be behind Minteh, March and Adingra and Gruda. Left wing he’d be behind Mitoma, Adingra and now Rutter. At number 10 he’d be behind Pedro, Ritter and Gruda. There is also Sarmiento who had an excellent preseason and can play any of the three positions. 

 

We also signed Cozier-Duberry (going on loan to the Championship) and Ibrahim Osman (on loan to Feyenoord), so he’s not the only young player we can’t make room for this season in our attacking midfield positions, where frankly we’re suddenly stacked. 
 

Under contract in the first team squad, including a few we’ve let out on loan, we would have Welbeck, Ferguson, Pedro, Rutter, Cozier-Duberry, Mitoma, March, Gruda, Adingra, Sarmiento, Osman, Sima, Minteh, Buonanotte - that’s fourteen players who are all vying for four positions per match. 
 

TLDR; In short, we currently have better options - that’s no disrespect to Facundo, but he’s in our long term plans hence the new contract to 2028. We’re all hoping he has an amazing season with you and comes back an even better player to assess next summer. 
 

 

This is what I wrote at the time back on page six; and largely I think was the club’s view. 
 

He played a lot of games for us, and frankly wasn’t a world beater yet. If you read back through the thread, I went into more detail on this.

 

We all like Buonanotte, and we’re happy to see him doing well. 

 

It could well be the player falls in love with Leicester and wants to stay, but he is under contract for a further three years at the end of this season and any fee reflect this - and obviously his form and any interest from elsewhere if the player were to move permanently.

 

We have seen this before as a club with Ben White, who we loaned to Leeds and became their player of the year. Leeds fans naturally thought it was a shoo-in that he’d sign permanently and offered £25m, which we rejected. We sold him shortly afterwards to Arsenal for £50m.

 

But here’s my main point;

 

I think there is still an expectation that if little old Brighton loan out a player, he isn’t good enough for such a no-mark team, and therefore is available to buy. 

 

The facts are actually that we very often sign young promising players, then loan them out. They get sold when the time, and price, is right. This was the case for Mitoma, Mac Allister, Caicedo, White, Sanchez. The ones who didn’t follow this pathway, such as Ferguson, Buonanotte were seen as first team ready and as such have played a lot of minutes.

 

So yes, it’s possible Buonanotte has a great season and wants to stay, but a lot would need to be resolved for that to happen, none more so than matching Brighton’s valuation. 
 

 

 

 

[Dickov22]

He’s our best player. Goal was Mahrez like

 

[FBTN]

1 hour ago, LCFCJohn said:

You must have your head stuck in 2016 with this bit! We’re public enemy number one now 

 

Just on your last bit, I’d have thought a Rutter or Pedro sale would be less likely given the fees they were brought in for and there being less scope for profit, which is what your guys do very well. On that basis, a Buonanotte sale potentially makes more sense for Brighton?

Am I out the loop? You're not a petro-state club and your fans aren't mouthing off all over the internet, by default that makes you better than 90% of clubs in the league. 

 

If Pedro can get fit, a top 4 club could come in for him. He's that good, and could fetch £60-70m if he puts in a consistent 6 months at the end of the season. Unfortunately, he's becoming a bit of a sick note, which may also work against a potential Buonanotte sale. 

 

For Rutter, it was an odd signing based on the fee and his previous clubs. He's actually shown some good potential (not £40m worth, mind) but currently he's not really offering more than Buonanotte in that role. I would suggest you're correct in thinking we'd rather sell Buonanotte for £40m than Rutter for £40m, purely from a PSR perspective. That being said, Bloom took some odd decisions this summer in terms of transfers, and so it's getting hard to second guess his motives. As always, he's thinking one or two steps ahead of the crowd. 

 

[Dickov22]

‘Bella Notte’ from Lady and the Tramp HAS to be made into a song for him. 

[The Doctor]

5 minutes ago, FBTN said:

Am I out the loop? You're not a petro-state club and your fans aren't mouthing off all over the internet, by default that makes you better than 90% of clubs in the league.

 

There's a perception, particularly from bottom 5 clubs and leeds, that we're a bunch of cheats because we failed PSR, got relegated and didn't get a points deduction for it.

[JeffreyDiddum]

37 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

There's a perception, particularly from bottom 5 clubs and leeds, that we're a bunch of cheats because we failed PSR, got relegated and didn't get a points deduction for it.

I can’t speak for others but as an Albion fan I think the huge admiration for your title win overrides that. It soured a lot when you sacked Ranieri, but then a lot of sympathy for the terrible helicopter accident.

 

Overall quite like Leicester. 

[davieG]

10 hours ago, splinterdream said:

the lad is brilliant, but he did seriously fade in the second half, i'm not sure why that was, but he just became ineffective 

Because we spent the 2nd half camped in our half defending.

[splinterdream]

37 minutes ago, davieG said:

Because we spent the 2nd half camped in our half defending.

when I say fade, I mean his energy with sprints, closing down etc. He wasn't the only one though which is why Bournemouth were able to walk through our midfield

[davieG]

1 minute ago, splinterdream said:

when I say fade, I mean his energy with sprints, closing down etc. He wasn't the only one though which is why Bournemouth were able to walk through our midfield

Yeah I know, sorry i was just trying to jokey about it although I'm sure that had an impact.

[Tom12345]

On 06/10/2024 at 08:36, Wymsey said:

Am surprised that Brighton have loaned him out.

Goes to show how far Brighton has come, overtaking us as the model club (we lost that mantra a few years ago though). Great young players bought on the cheap but with great potential. They have a lot of talented players. Look at Mitoma - an absolute gem and I am surprised no big club has come in for him yet for 50m plus. He is a special player. This bloke we have too has a very high ceiling. Someone in the other thread said he has been called up to the Argentina squad. His stock is only going to rise. No chance we can get him at the end of the season on any permanent deal.

 

 

Edited 7 October 2024 by Tom12345

[Torten]

The Argentinian Messi

[FoxinNotts]

We’ve got a young, in form, Argentina number 10. 
 

Just let that sink in for a moment 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(don’t even care that he’s on loan)

[JimJams]

And he was free!

The one we missed out on for £30mill has done fxxk all in 8 games!

[goose2010]

I would be surprised if he starts against Southampton. 

 

Its a lot to ask of any player to play in Bolivia on the Wednesday to then play for us on the Saturday. 

[Nick]

Just now, goose2010 said:

I would be surprised if he starts against Southampton. 

 

Its a lot to ask of any player to play in Bolivia on the Wednesday to then play for us on the Saturday. 

But I've just put him in my fantasy team for the next three games. Can I upgrade him to business class or anything?

[goose2010]

35 minutes ago, Nick said:

But I've just put him in my fantasy team for the next three games. Can I upgrade him to business class or anything?

Maybe go and stand on his toe before he gets on the plane! As the only way he plays that i can see is that he doesnt fly. 

 

[Dan]

On 06/10/2024 at 08:40, FBTN said:

Am I out the loop? You're not a petro-state club and your fans aren't mouthing off all over the internet, by default that makes you better than 90% of clubs in the league. 

 

If Pedro can get fit, a top 4 club could come in for him. He's that good, and could fetch £60-70m if he puts in a consistent 6 months at the end of the season. Unfortunately, he's becoming a bit of a sick note, which may also work against a potential Buonanotte sale. 

 

For Rutter, it was an odd signing based on the fee and his previous clubs. He's actually shown some good potential (not £40m worth, mind) but currently he's not really offering more than Buonanotte in that role. I would suggest you're correct in thinking we'd rather sell Buonanotte for £40m than Rutter for £40m, purely from a PSR perspective. That being said, Bloom took some odd decisions this summer in terms of transfers, and so it's getting hard to second guess his motives. As always, he's thinking one or two steps ahead of the crowd. 

I say it as a big admirer of Bloom but I did not get that Rutter business. Something very odd about that signing. There's no way I'd swap Buonanotte to get him on loan.

 

I give us very little chance of a permanent deal unless we break our record - something I actually don't think I'd be against on early evidence. But it is early evidence.

[Simster]

7 hours ago, Dan LCFC said:

I say it as a big admirer of Bloom but I did not get that Rutter business. Something very odd about that signing. There's no way I'd swap Buonanotte to get him on loan.

 

I give us very little chance of a permanent deal unless we break our record - something I actually don't think I'd be against on early evidence. But it is early evidence.

Another Brighton fan here.  (I first come on here asking for travel advice on our trip to Rome 18 months ago and still piss myself at that youtube clip of the moped rider going into the back of that car while beefing at that bus load of Leicester).

 

Anyway, on the subject of Rutter v Goodnight, they are very different signings with very different pathways.  Buenonotte is a youngster with years of development ahead of him whereas Rutter was bought as an oven-ready squad player.  From my point of view, we've actually been quite alarmed at the way Rutter had flattered to deceive for Leeds and then for us for most of this season.  Then Sunday happened and would you believe it, it turns out Uncle Tony's statistical modelling suggests that even at £40m he might turn out to be a shrewd signing because he really was a major reason we won.

 

As a fan, I'm not surprised you'd rather keep Buenonotte though - I'd be the same in your boat.  It's just that we are punching so far above our weight now that frankly our fanbase gave up questioning our signings several years ago now. 

[KFS]

6 minutes ago, Simster said:

Another Brighton fan here.  (I first come on here asking for travel advice on our trip to Rome 18 months ago and still piss myself at that youtube clip of the moped rider going into the back of that car while beefing at that bus load of Leicester).

 

Anyway, on the subject of Rutter v Goodnight, they are very different signings with very different pathways.  Buenonotte is a youngster with years of development ahead of him whereas Rutter was bought as an oven-ready squad player.  From my point of view, we've actually been quite alarmed at the way Rutter had flattered to deceive for Leeds and then for us for most of this season.  Then Sunday happened and would you believe it, it turns out Uncle Tony's statistical modelling suggests that even at £40m he might turn out to be a shrewd signing because he really was a major reason we won.

 

As a fan, I'm not surprised you'd rather keep Buenonotte though - I'd be the same in your boat.  It's just that we are punching so far above our weight now that frankly our fanbase gave up questioning our signings several years ago now. 

Good post but do us a favour from our learnings last several years… don’t describe yourselves as punching above your weight. Your infrastructure and foundations set mean that you are very rightfully in your place. Villa are punching above their weight - if Emery left they’d slide back down the league where they belong. Your lot have proven a sustainable model over time.

[Simster]

1 minute ago, KFS said:

Good post but do us a favour from our learnings last several years… don’t describe yourselves as punching above your weight. Your infrastructure and foundations set mean that you are very rightfully in your place. Villa are punching above their weight - if Emery left they’d slide back down the league where they belong. Your lot have proven a sustainable model over time.

Fair point I guess, but when I say punching above our weight I mean that we are acutely aware that when Bloom departs from running the club for whatever reason, we will possibly or even probably slide back down the league pyramid within a decade.  Perhaps not ever to Withdean levels and gates of 6,000 (and that will be Bloom's real legacy), but the relative doldrums of being uncompetitive in the Championship like Cardiff, Derby, Stoke & the scummy skates, or worse like Reading, Charlton & Bolton.

 

As far as I'm concerned there are about a dozen clubs that will feel they are below where they should be when not in the top division (Leeds and Sunderland right now), but literally half the football league pyramid is made up of clubs that could sustain a few seasons in the top-flight but equally don't look horrifically out of place in league one.  That's the real strength behind English football IMO.

[SecretPro]

Still can't believe Brighton loaned him out. Our best player again so far by a mile.