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Cooper - OUT

By Sly, in Leicester City Forum

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FOXSE

FOXSE

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15 minutes ago, Fox1norfolk said:

Lose 5.0 against Man U, 3.0 against Ipswich , it’s goodby Mr Cooper 

If they were the results in the next 2 games, I would be more understanding of the out position.

FOXSE

FOXSE

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2 hours ago, Koke said:

We've got 3rd worst defence in the league. Only Ipswich and Wolves let in more. 

And we are one of only two teams who have scored in every game and we are in 14th. Crazy.....

reynard

reynard

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9 hours ago, FOXSE said:

My expectation is that we can stay up. 17th is acceptable. 

 

I think my point is really this: if we had 11 or 12 points now, that would have been a really good start to the season and surpassed most people's expectations (surely!). It seems an over reaction to call for someone to be sacked because they didn't achieve this by 2 or 3 points. People are reacting like we are one of the teams without a win and we are on 3 points. If that was the case,I could understand the point. But this just seems like a massive over reaction.

Whilst I don't disagree with the thread of what you are saying, when I looked at the fixture list I had in my mind 12 point after the first ten games. This was given who we were playing and where. Let's see if we achieve that, we still have a chance. I don't think that points total was anything that could be considered unachievable given our fixture list.

I'm not a great one for stats as the only one that really matters is the total points any team gets. However, I acknowledge some of the underlying stats appear to be of some concern. We concede a lot of shots, we could have conceded a lot more goals by now, and the flip side is we don't create a lot of clear cut opportunities. Right now I'm guessing our goal conversion from shots is quite high? I'm sure someone will either confirm or put me right. Over the course of a season I believe we'd have to be very very lucky to continue to pick up points playing the way we have done so far. There will come a period where are goal conversion drops to zero if we continue to create so little whilst out goals conceded total rises too.

Also I think it is quite clear that Cooper doesn't really have much of a clue what his best team is. He also doesn't seem able to get the team to play well for two halves of the same match.

 

I think too that the league is a bit strange this season with 4 teams failing to pick up a win and this is clearly helping us right now.  This won't continue indefinitely though and, though Southampton look pretty nailed on to go down, I don't think anyone else is.  We will need this luck to continue for a while yet. 

 

I also don't think those wishing for Cooper's dismissal anytime soon are going to be rewarded with the positive news they want. The scores in each match and the table do however, give a false sense of security, one which could very rapidly unravel. At that point will Cooper be the manager to get us to safety? I have to say I'm not confident.

I think he's safe until Christmas. Then will be the acid test for the board. Depending upon where we are will they entrust him with another transfer window, in which we clearly need to bring in a couple of players, or try someone else?

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CUJimmy

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Most of the board have an accountancy/business background so from that perspective a point a game is fine.  Don’t get me wrong, we need a balance of experience otherwise we get stuffed by PSR and rightly so but we need people at the head of the organisation that really understand the game on the pitch as well.

 

Rudkin has a football background but it’s not at a high enough level so he is easily swayed by the likes of Rodgers into believing what he is told.

 

How many of the squad now have the ear of Top/Susan etc?  In the past Kasper, Wes, Vards, Kingy etc who knew things weren’t right could intervene before it was too late.  Who can do that now?  Vards?  Yes.  Winks?  Maybe but does he have a dog in the fight?  After that I am struggling.  Player power can be dangerous but at the moment the manager tells the DoF everything is fine, he repeats that to the board and nothing changes as we found out 2 seasons ago.

 

The first priority for me is a DoF with the knowledge and experience to hold the manager to account.  That is why I didn’t like the idea of Potter wanting to bring his own person in.

 

So Cooper out, absolutely but until Rudkin goes as well we are not going to progress.

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The Doctor

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1 hour ago, Dahnsouff said:

So they did say it?

there's a huge difference between saying "oh just **** off you bald twat" in the heat of the moment following a defeat and actually seriously wanting him sacked. 

Happy Fox

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https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/steve-cooper-opens-up-what-9666979
 

Remit of King Power from Cooper’s own words…


 

“I can see why this club has had the success it’s had with this ownership, because they make you feel like you want to do well,” Cooper said. “They do that through kindness, support and encouragement.

 

“When you engage with him (Top) and meet him, he’s kind-natured. You feel comfortable around him, there’s definitely no fear, but a lot of respect. He’s got a big aura. You can be yourself.

“It’s full of support. I felt that even before I accepted the job. That was going to be really important to me on my next job, which ended up being this one.

 

They’re rational. They’re understanding. They have good knowledge. They’ve seen a lot now, in terms of performance and results and how seasons can pan out. They understand the challenge.

 

“The caveat is that there’s an expectation. I’m very clear of the objectives and the expectations that have been set, and they’re not just on the pitch but off it as well. I live and breathe that every day.”

 

 

It’s support and goodwill and you feel like someone is behind you and we’re definitely behind him in what he wants to do as well. But we’re under no illusions we’ve got to win games and we’ve got to play well and we’ve got to reach objectives.”

 

 

 

Steve we aren’t doing that you fool lol

 

 

 

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Dahnsouff

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53 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

there's a huge difference between saying "oh just **** off you bald twat" in the heat of the moment following a defeat and actually seriously wanting him sacked. 

On a forum? Often lost in the intonation. :P Seriously I do take the point, as long as people don’t that state the volume of negative posts as justification for their opinion!

 

In all honesty, what Nuno did at half time, how he undid a positive first half so simply, and worse, how we did not react- that is a huge thumbs down.

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Walshy5

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I hate myself for this but I'm thinking I want us to get a good hiding in the next 2 games just to give us a chance of getting rid of him!

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SafewayFox

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4 hours ago, Fox92 said:

If he’s the most inept at this level why have three other managers not won a single game yet? Ipswich and Southampton are the worse teams in the league. 

I mean, you could argue that we’re more prepared for the PL than both Ipswich and Southampton too or do we gloss over that?

The Doctor

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1 hour ago, Dahnsouff said:

On a forum? Often lost in the intonation. :P Seriously I do take the point, as long as people don’t that state the volume of negative posts as justification for their opinion!

 

In all honesty, what Nuno did at half time, how he undid a positive first half so simply, and worse, how we did not react- that is a huge thumbs down.

eh, I'd say if the sole post someone makes saying to sack a manager is in the hour or two after a defeat, that's probably not a seriously held position but an emotional reaction (it's why I think the match rating posts shouldn't go up until the following morning, think you'd see far less variability in manager confidence with that).

 

100% on that thumbs down, and that's because while he adopted enzos system first half with the inverting full back, he doesn't understand that system or how to manage it, so he can't do tactical adjustments to it.

 

It's why a properly run club should have a consistent idea of a stylistic identity and identify managers to fit that - we recruited Souttar under Rodgers who immediately then didn't fit Enzo ball. We re-signed Vestergaard for Enzo but he doesn't fit Cooper's ideas. When cooper inevitably goes, is the next manager going to look at Ayew as useful to his plans? probably not. Much as Cooperball is absolutely hideous to watch (I'm still fuming at not attacking Ashley Young at home once), and he's not a particularly good coach, it's a symptom of the fact that the higher ups are inept.

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Dahnsouff

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8 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

eh, I'd say if the sole post someone makes saying to sack a manager is in the hour or two after a defeat, that's probably not a seriously held position but an emotional reaction (it's why I think the match rating posts shouldn't go up until the following morning, think you'd see far less variability in manager confidence with that).

 

100% on that thumbs down, and that's because while he adopted enzos system first half with the inverting full back, he doesn't understand that system or how to manage it, so he can't do tactical adjustments to it.

 

It's why a properly run club should have a consistent idea of a stylistic identity and identify managers to fit that - we recruited Souttar under Rodgers who immediately then didn't fit Enzo ball. We re-signed Vestergaard for Enzo but he doesn't fit Cooper's ideas. When cooper inevitably goes, is the next manager going to look at Ayew as useful to his plans? probably not. Much as Cooperball is absolutely hideous to watch (I'm still fuming at not attacking Ashley Young at home once), and he's not a particularly good coach, it's a symptom of the fact that the higher ups are inept.

As much as a dedicated, knowledgable Director of Football  is what we are crying out for, it does feel like turkeys voting for Christmas.

Number 6

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I think people need to remember that changing a manager isn't risk free. Obviously it could prove to be great but no guarantees that it's not worse.

 

A month or so ago many were saying it was a terrible decision to not get Corberan in, and yet West Brom have just gone LLDDDD, having three 0-0s in their last 4.

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FOXSE

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10 minutes ago, Number 6 said:

I think people need to remember that changing a manager isn't risk free. Obviously it could prove to be great but no guarantees that it's not worse.

 

A month or so ago many were saying it was a terrible decision to not get Corberan in, and yet West Brom have just gone LLDDDD, having three 0-0s in their last 4.

I am sure the fans who wanted him in wouldn't already be demanding his sacking after a run like that even in this league, let alone the championship!

orangecity23

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5 hours ago, Mon.is.a.god said:

This is it. As I showed a few pages back, the most vocal in here wanting Cooper out also wanted Enzo out last season as we sat top of the championship. No matter who we bring in, we’ll have a “(insert manager name in here) out” thread after a defeat of two. It’s engrained in their mindset.

You've shown that some people in here wanted Enzo out last year. There are plenty more of us, myself included, who never wanted Enzo out. Equally, one could make an argument that a large contigent of the Cooper In posters are pro Cooper because they convinced themselves that possession football is "tippy tappy shit" and Cooper will have us playing "proper" football. Let's dig up some old posts shall we, to see if my baseless conjecture is on the money?

 

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Dare I say it, today was more entertaining than any game under Enzo last season, even when we won big. I was bored every game under Enzo, constantly distracted by my phone checking other scores to pass the time. Yesterday not once did I get my phone out and was gripped to the match throughout. Even though the atmosphere was still below sub par, I can’t remember one game last season where we had as much noise from all stands. Most fans were still all upbeat despite the loss.

 

I beg anyone to watch the highlights from Brentford vs Southampton and you’ll see what playing out from the back achieves in this league as a newly promoted team and that’s ignoring Burnley's stubborn approach last season which ultimately decided their fate. I appreciate we still play out from the back on occasions but not to the level as we did last season with Mads so nonchalant on the ball and our defenders playing fancy triangles in our own box.

 

You can shove your Maresca ball where the sun don’t shine, Cooper in!!

 

You only joined the forum at the start of the season, so we'll just have to take your word for what your opinions were when times were tough last season in the run in.

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Clever Fox

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How could Cooper not anticapte that Forest would change something in the second half.

 

I know you cant legislate for individual errors. But you have to assume they would change something and try and alter your Tactics to nulify them.

 

Especially when your second half instructions are not working as planned.

 

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rugbyblue

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6 hours ago, Dahnsouff said:

Show some acknowledgement of free speech and lock this please. Either that or post the hymn sheet at the top.

 

Or even more controversially, reopen the Cooper In thread. (And I want him out)

 

Disgusting behaviour.

Agree.  Pathetic.  Spoilt kid behaviour at best.  Its my ball and you cant play unless i can win!!!

 

And i too am not pro cooper.  

 

 

Dahnsouff

Dahnsouff

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Just now, rugbyblue said:

Agree.  Pathetic.  Spoilt kid behaviour at best.  Its my ball and you cant play unless i can win!!!

 

And i too am not pro cooper.  

 

 

To be fair, @Mark listened to the complaint, and he pointed out there are far too many Cooper threads, which is fair enough and did reopen the In to provide some balance 

rugbyblue

rugbyblue

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1 minute ago, Dahnsouff said:

To be fair, @Mark listened to the complaint, and he pointed out there are far too many Cooper threads, which is fair enough and did reopen the In to provide some balance 

Oh ok.  Fair enough then if you were listened to.  

Its only right on a discussion forum that everyone is allowed their say, even if others , including those than run it, disagree.

 

Alls well that ends well in that case 👍

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Mickyblueeyes

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The problem I have with Cooper is he is punching well above his weight. Hopefully we can get a result v Ipswich but I’m worried because I think McKenna is a far better in game manager then him. After that, we are about to hit a very poor run with little wins. Is he someone who can get us out of that for the second half of the season ? I’m certain he can’t. 

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