Cooper - OUT

[ScotFox1]

Seriously, in any other business where performance and results have been so consistently poor, you'd be collecting your personal effects and be escorted out the door.

 

More than anything, the worrying trend for me is the repeated delivery the same old excuses time after time.  Surely, after 11 games, its time to say that these inane comments simply wont wash.  Enough time has been spent and we can all see that its not working, so why of why does he persist in this destructive relegation-headed anti-football nonsense?

 

Its not working so what you're going to do about it Mr Cooper??

 

ps.. Cooper Out!!

 

 

[justfoxes]

Has the Ginger haired Welsh fucher who makes us look like a conference league side GONE YET ??

[Fox 4 Life]

This is the same board that stuck with Brendan until it was too late. I have zero faith that they will do the right thing. Potter, Moyes or RVN would be an upgrade. International break just get it done.

[lcfcbluearmy]

The fact that he is still here is a disgrace

[Happy Fox]

https://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/Serie-A/Roma/11-11-2024/roma-nuovo-allenatore-dopo-juric-mancini-e-garcia-in-prima-fila-no-friedkin-a-de-rossi.shtml

 

Edin Terzic is in England? wonder if he is on our radar..

Edited 12 November 2024 by Happy Fox

[Les-TA-Jon]

For all the calls for X, Y or Z random/upcoming name from the continent - Note that this ownership has never appointed anyone who didn't already have previous managerial experience in English Football...

[Les-TA-Jon]

15 minutes ago, ScotFox1 said:

Seriously, in any other business where performance and results have been so consistently poor, you'd be collecting your personal effects and be escorted out the door.

 

More than anything, the worrying trend for me is the repeated delivery the same old excuses time after time.  Surely, after 11 games, its time to say that these inane comments simply wont wash.  Enough time has been spent and we can all see that its not working, so why of why does he persist in this destructive relegation-headed anti-football nonsense?

 

Its not working so what you're going to do about it Mr Cooper??

 

ps.. Cooper Out!!

 

 

I'm pretty much Cooper Out - and I think he's not a good coach, manager or tactician. And we're (slightly) underperforming under him 

 

However, we've averaged around a point per game - are 3 points above the relegation zone and there are 5 teams doing 'worse' than us - is it really a surprise that he's still in a job? 

 

As much we may or may not want him gone, it seems unlikely they will make a change whilst the above is true...

[Happy Fox]

1 minute ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

For all the calls for X, Y or Z random/upcoming name from the continent - Note that this ownership has never appointed anyone who didn't already have previous managerial experience in English Football...

 

Did Enzo? yes he managed Manchester City Under 21s, and was assistant at Manchester City under Pep, Terzic was one of the assistant coaches at West Ham when Bilic was the manager.

 

Terzic is a fairly reputable coach and would be an upgrade on Cooper!

[Stadt]

52 minutes ago, RoboFox said:

Is it believed that the Skipp signing came via Cooper? 

 

If so it's bizarre that he seems to have been ostracised in recent weeks. 

 

Playing Soumare over Skipp? Weird. It's almost as if Cooper doesn't really know what he's doing. 

He knows him from the England youth set up which is a classic Cooper hallmark. 

[Les-TA-Jon]

5 minutes ago, Happy Fox said:

 

Did Enzo? yes he managed Manchester City Under 21s, and was assistant at Manchester City under Pep, Terzic was one of the assistant coaches at West Ham when Bilic was the manager.

 

Terzic is a fairly reputable coach and would be an upgrade on Cooper!

I think you answered your own question and agreed with my point. 

Edited 12 November 2024 by Les-TA-Jon

[Stadt]

6 minutes ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

I'm pretty much Cooper Out - and I think he's not a good coach, manager or tactician. And we're (slightly) underperforming under him 

 

However, we've averaged around a point per game - are 3 points above the relegation zone and there are 5 teams doing 'worse' than us - is it really a surprise that he's still in a job? 

 

As much we may or may not want him gone, it seems unlikely they will make a change whilst the above is true...

I think a smart club would sack him looking at the performance data. We won’t because we’ve been left behind in that regard.

 

Brighton binned off their ‘pragmatic’’ manager in Hughton when they were broadly fine and never looked back.

 

However we won’t sack him until we’re slightly adrift because we don’t operate on trajectories - only on what is happening under our nose.

[Happy Fox]

6 minutes ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

I think you answered your own question and agreed with my point. 

 

Terzic is hardly a nobody, managing Dortmund is a big coup, but I guess the board will never have heard of him though he was linked with us back in June, so maybe he is on the shortlist still..

Edited 12 November 2024 by Happy Fox

[ScotFox1]

16 minutes ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

I'm pretty much Cooper Out - and I think he's not a good coach, manager or tactician. And we're (slightly) underperforming under him 

 

However, we've averaged around a point per game - are 3 points above the relegation zone and there are 5 teams doing 'worse' than us - is it really a surprise that he's still in a job? 

 

As much we may or may not want him gone, it seems unlikely they will make a change whilst the above is true...

We have been in this situation before, most recently with Rodgers.

 

I have it on very very good authority that over the Xmas period of that relegation season, the Board wanted to remove Rodgers, but Top stalled citing that the appointment was made by his father and it would be a dishonour to sack Rodgers at that time.  If we had done so, we may have saved our season.

 

We find ourselves in a similar situation now, and I hope that we have learned the lessons of history!!  I'm not optimistic that time will tell, so you may be right!

 

 

[DezFox]

14 minutes ago, Stadt said:

I think a smart club would sack him looking at the performance data. We won’t because we’ve been left behind in that regard.

 

Brighton binned off their ‘pragmatic’’ manager in Hughton when they were broadly fine and never looked back.

 

However we won’t sack him until we’re slightly adrift because we don’t operate on trajectories - only on what is happening under our nose.

This is so right and until major changes happen at the club it will be like this. 

[Wymsey]

Reckon this thread needs locking, unless there's new developments etc and re-open a few days before the next game - no?

[ClaphamFox]

1 hour ago, Jattdogg said:

When we are bottom 3 in the championship next season with maybe 10 games to go or so?

Don't be so cynical!

 

 

 

It'll probably be with 15 games to go 

[Les-TA-Jon]

41 minutes ago, Stadt said:

I think a smart club would sack him looking at the performance data. We won’t because we’ve been left behind in that regard.

 

Brighton binned off their ‘pragmatic’’ manager in Hughton when they were broadly fine and never looked back.

 

However we won’t sack him until we’re slightly adrift because we don’t operate on trajectories - only on what is happening under our nose.

Just to be clear, I totally agree with you - just explaining why I think it's unlikely the club will sack him under current status quo

[Stevosevic]

35 minutes ago, ScotFox1 said:

We have been in this situation before, most recently with Rodgers.

 

I have it on very very good authority that over the Xmas period of that relegation season, the Board wanted to remove Rodgers, but Top stalled citing that the appointment was made by his father and it would be a dishonour to sack Rodgers at that time.  If we had done so, we may have saved our season.

 

We find ourselves in a similar situation now, and I hope that we have learned the lessons of history!!  I'm not optimistic that time will tell, so you may be right!

 

 

Top appointed Rodgers though  

[Wymsey]

How long was the 'Rodgers Out' thread, in contrast to this?..

[Stadt]

51 minutes ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

Just to be clear, I totally agree with you - just explaining why I think it's unlikely the club will sack him under current status quo

I think what happens is, we don't sack Cooper until the new year as we're not in the relegation zone,  we're 2 points above it, 1 point, above the 18th on GD, only a point behind 17th, 2 points, 3 points  4 points behind. Perhaps just after the window closes for maximum ineptitude. 

 

We'll then draw up any replacements *after * he's sacked and look to the available pool of managers that have PL Experience (obviously absolutely mandatory). Potter will have been appointed elsewhere by then. Moyes turns us down because he's not interested. 

 

Then we have the invariable Oscar Garcia link. We're excited by a tenuous link to a Terzic type before... Lampard 2026.

Edited 12 November 2024 by Stadt

[The Doctor]

44 minutes ago, ScotFox1 said:

We have been in this situation before, most recently with Rodgers.

 

I have it on very very good authority that over the Xmas period of that relegation season, the Board wanted to remove Rodgers, but Top stalled citing that the appointment was made by his father and it would be a dishonour to sack Rodgers at that time.  If we had done so, we may have saved our season.

 

We find ourselves in a similar situation now, and I hope that we have learned the lessons of history!!  I'm not optimistic that time will tell, so you may be right!

 

 

The Rodgers who was appointed over 120 days after Vichai died?

[Thefox81]

57 minutes ago, ScotFox1 said:

We have been in this situation before, most recently with Rodgers.

 

I have it on very very good authority that over the Xmas period of that relegation season, the Board wanted to remove Rodgers, but Top stalled citing that the appointment was made by his father and it would be a dishonour to sack Rodgers at that time.  If we had done so, we may have saved our season.

 

We find ourselves in a similar situation now, and I hope that we have learned the lessons of history!!  I'm not optimistic that time will tell, so you may be right!

 

 

Had it on very good authority ay? Think you might want to change your source of info.

[sylofox]

4 hours ago, filbertway said:

I'd genuinely be happier to see Rudkin has been sacked before Cooper. Cooper is a symptom, Rudkin is the disease.

More chance Top cuts his own cock off than sacking foreskin.

[Winstonthedog]

8 hours ago, Sly said:

Sadly, I’m not far off myself. 
 

It’s just football in general. 

The passion has gone from the club the team and now the fans are going the same way .... I honestly believe the club think the fans and the fans money will go on forever  ... enough to say if we do get relegated again I can see season ticket sales falling ... and the guess who the club will blame  having no revenue to play with ...  Us the fans 

[ScotFox1]

18 minutes ago, Thefox81 said:

Had it on very good authority ay? Think you might want to change your source of info.

This is a lesson to always check the facts before posting!!  I stand humiliated and corrected in equal measure and I will have a word with the source who is usually most reliable!!

 

Nevertheless.. Cooper Out!!