Cooper - OUT

[Muzzy_no7]

1 hour ago, Aus Fox said:

Or maybe, some supporters have a different opinion to you? 

Naaah.

 

This club could get taken right to the precipice and I don’t think anymore than dozens, a hundred at a push would form any kind of board protest at the stadium etc whereas you just know similar sized clubs around us would muster thousands for something similar. 

[justfoxes]

Why the Fuch did Cooper allow Cannon to go out on loan when now looks like we’re down on Striking options can we recall him back from his loan spell, scoring 6 goals in his first 11 games he certainly is growing in Stoke?

what options do we have JV looks like he’s on the mend could play Saturday Mavididi could play more Central as a striking option or does Cooper bring in one of the young foxes from the u21’s?

Dont think we’re going to get anything from Enzo’s pond life scum sucking Chelsea so if we get 7 shades kicked out of us will that be the final nail in Coopers reign at the KP  can we learn from our mistakes in hanging onto a failing manager who took us down surely hope City do the right thing before we don’t have a chance of staying up ?

[Claudio Fannieri]

Cooper’s record to so far - 

 

Prem

W2 (18.18%) D4 (36.36%) L5 (45.45%) In addition we are conceding on average 2 goals per game. 
 

Cup

W1 (33.33%) D1 (33.33%) L1 (33.33%) that includes 2 matches vs league 2 opposition 

 

Total 

W3 (21.43%) D5 (23.81%) L6 (42.86%) this is nowhere near good enough especially when you take into account the run of fixtures we have and even with cup fixtures we have conceded 26 goals in 14 games. 
 

Even if you are kind and add in preseason his win percentage only increases to 26.32% however his loss rate also increases to 47.37%. Every game we give him is a lost opportunity he is not a premier league level manager/coach and that extends to his appointed backroom staff, he is league one and championship level at best, however I would argue at even Championship and top level he is a busted flush. 
 

We concede goals and chances at will, and only look effective when the game turns chaotic and we have nothing to lose when trying to rescue a result. Incapable of stringing together a single 90 minute performance and a game plan devoid of any real tactical identity except the fact we don’t appear to have one. 
 

There really are zero redeeming features to this appointment, and the sooner a change is made the better. 

[Sly]

50 minutes ago, justfoxes said:

Why the Fuch did Cooper allow Cannon to go out on loan when now looks like we’re down on Striking options can we recall him back from his loan spell, scoring 6 goals in his first 11 games he certainly is growing in Stoke?

what options do we have JV looks like he’s on the mend could play Saturday Mavididi could play more Central as a striking option or does Cooper bring in one of the young foxes from the u21’s?

Dont think we’re going to get anything from Enzo’s pond life scum sucking Chelsea so if we get 7 shades kicked out of us will that be the final nail in Coopers reign at the KP  can we learn from our mistakes in hanging onto a failing manager who took us down surely hope City do the right thing before we don’t have a chance of staying up ?

We’ll likely play Edouard …. 

[CrazyKopCorner]

1 hour ago, justfoxes said:

Why the Fuch did Cooper allow Cannon to go out on loan when now looks like we’re down on Striking options can we recall him back from his loan spell, scoring 6 goals in his first 11 games he certainly is growing in Stoke?

what options do we have JV looks like he’s on the mend could play Saturday Mavididi could play more Central as a striking option or does Cooper bring in one of the young foxes from the u21’s?

Dont think we’re going to get anything from Enzo’s pond life scum sucking Chelsea so if we get 7 shades kicked out of us will that be the final nail in Coopers reign at the KP  can we learn from our mistakes in hanging onto a failing manager who took us down surely hope City do the right thing before we don’t have a chance of staying up ?

I think we know why ....... he's not the brightest bless him - You'd not want him in your pub quiz team would you 

[Frankel1981]

Now third favourite in next manager to go betting behind West Ham and Southampton.

 

the end is near 

[Aus Fox]

1 hour ago, justfoxes said:

Why the Fuch did Cooper allow Cannon to go out on loan when now looks like we’re down on Striking options can we recall him back from his loan spell, scoring 6 goals in his first 11 games he certainly is growing in Stoke?

what options do we have JV looks like he’s on the mend could play Saturday Mavididi could play more Central as a striking option or does Cooper bring in one of the young foxes from the u21’s?

Dont think we’re going to get anything from Enzo’s pond life scum sucking Chelsea so if we get 7 shades kicked out of us will that be the final nail in Coopers reign at the KP  can we learn from our mistakes in hanging onto a failing manager who took us down surely hope City do the right thing before we don’t have a chance of staying up ?

To be fair, 4 of those goals came in one game. I think he’s only scored in 2 games this season. One for the future perhaps, but I don’t think he’s one for now.

Having said that, we have no alternatives. I really think the Skipp money should have been spent on a decent striker, we can’t rely on Vardy scoring all season, and if we do, I think we’ll struggle to survive.

[Gamble92]

1 hour ago, Aus Fox said:

To be fair, 4 of those goals came in one game. I think he’s only scored in 2 games this season. One for the future perhaps, but I don’t think he’s one for now.

Having said that, we have no alternatives. I really think the Skipp money should have been spent on a decent striker, we can’t rely on Vardy scoring all season, and if we do, I think we’ll struggle to survive.

I was going to point this out too. 2 in the other 10.

 

But to play devil's advocate, giving him games instead of Edouard would only benefit us long term. I certainly don't think Edouard offers any more short term. Suppose Cooper didn't know he'd be this bad but it still just looks like a massive panic signing on deadline day. 

[winteriscoming]

Just now, Gamble92 said:

I was going to point this out too. 2 in the other 10.

 

But to play devil's advocate, giving him games instead of Edouard would only benefit us long term. I certainly don't think Edouard offers any more short term. Suppose Cooper didn't know he'd be this bad but it still just looks like a massive panic signing on deadline day. 

The only reason we signed Edourd is imo Coopers strange obsession with getting pl experienced players in. Doesn’t matter if there shit. The sooner he goes the better. 

[Pliskin]

Bad result on Saturday could see the end I think. Enzo giving him a hiding (even though it is Chelsea who are most definitely better than us) might be the tipping point.

 

 

The major issue I have with Cooper, is I just don’t think collectively the group are buying into him, from what I’ve heard it just seems like he’s very airyfairy with his approach, and isn’t the firm figure the group needs. It’s the wrong job for him, the group needs motivating, not mollycoddling and I think it’s why we’ve not seen anywhere near what this group can do.  
 

When he was appointed it made sense, but the goalposts have moved since then, and in those changing circumstances it’s just not the right job for him. We’re going nowhere under him, and the longer he stays the worse it will get. 

[Aus Fox]

22 minutes ago, winteriscoming said:

The only reason we signed Edourd is imo Coopers strange obsession with getting pl experienced players in. Doesn’t matter if there shit. The sooner he goes the better. 

To be fair, of the 6 permanent signings in the summer 3 had never played in the PL. technically, one of those definitely wasn’t a Cooper signing. But I think it’s a bit of a myth that he only wanted PL experience.

[Aus Fox]

5 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

Bad result on Saturday could see the end I think. Enzo giving him a hiding (even though it is Chelsea who are most definitely better than us) might be the tipping point.

 

 

The major issue I have with Cooper, is I just don’t think collectively the group are buying into him, from what I’ve heard it just seems like he’s very airyfairy with his approach, and isn’t the firm figure the group needs. It’s the wrong job for him, the group needs motivating, not mollycoddling and I think it’s why we’ve not seen anywhere near what this group can do.  
 

When he was appointed it made sense, but the goalposts have moved since then, and in those changing circumstances it’s just not the right job for him. We’re going nowhere under him, and the longer he stays the worse it will get. 

I think that would be incredibly short sighted and a shocking decision from the club. 
Given we’ve just had two weeks off for the international break, if they then pull the trigger after the first game back, in a game we’re realistically expected to lose. It would be make absolutely no sense at all.

The three after Chelsea are huge, and we should be looking for a minimum of 4 points from those three to keep us clear.

[filbertway]

Enzo will pull off a master stroke of being in full control of the situation and running out 2-0 winners, but making it look like we've played well. 

 

They get the 3 points and he tricks our very special DOF/Board into thinking Coopers doing a tidy job.

[Pliskin]

7 minutes ago, Aus Fox said:

I think that would be incredibly short sighted and a shocking decision from the club. 
Given we’ve just had two weeks off for the international break, if they then pull the trigger after the first game back, in a game we’re realistically expected to lose. It would be make absolutely no sense at all.

The three after Chelsea are huge, and we should be looking for a minimum of 4 points from those three to keep us clear.

It would, but would it surprise me! Cooper 100% should have gone over the last two weeks, it’s a slowly sinking ship that is probably going to intensify over the next few weeks. We will get comfortably seen off on Saturday, and judging by the last two performances the confidence is about to hit rock bottom. Can’t see anything improving for Cooper, so it wouldn’t surprise me if they did pull the trigger after a really bad result….. just the way Leicester roll, one chaotic decision to the next. 
 

I can’t see us picking up any points over the next few games, I think he’s done. 

[dmayne7]

15 minutes ago, Aus Fox said:

I think that would be incredibly short sighted and a shocking decision from the club. 
Given we’ve just had two weeks off for the international break, if they then pull the trigger after the first game back, in a game we’re realistically expected to lose. It would be make absolutely no sense at all.

The three after Chelsea are huge, and we should be looking for a minimum of 4 points from those three to keep us clear.

We did exactly this with Rodgers when things were even more dire with much higher expectations. The leadership group at the club are absolute morons and no idea why anyone would think differently.

[Aus Fox]

5 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

It would, but would it surprise me! Cooper 100% should have gone over the last two weeks, it’s a slowly sinking ship that is probably going to intensify over the next few weeks. We will get comfortably seen off on Saturday, and judging by the last two performances the confidence is about to hit rock bottom. Can’t see anything improving for Cooper, so it wouldn’t surprise me if they did pull the trigger after a really bad result….. just the way Leicester roll, one chaotic decision to the next. 
 

I can’t see us picking up any points over the next few games, I think he’s done. 

Having just read the article about BC Game going tits up, it wouldn’t actually surprise me now if they sack him in the next few days, to take that decision and that news out of circulation and bring a focus onto the football side of things.

 

Nothing to see here, no dodgy deals before you look over there, we are sacking the manager over here.

[foxfanazer]

The scary thing is they'll probably see him as a decent manager for the championship and keep him

[ClaphamFox]

43 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

The scary thing is they'll probably see him as a decent manager for the championship and keep him

The club is not planning on returning to the Championship any time soon and if it looks like Cooper is taking us there, he will be sacked.

[foxfanazer]

1 minute ago, ClaphamFox said:

The club is not planning on returning to the Championship any time soon and if it looks like Cooper is taking us there, he will be sacked.

You have more faith than me

[ClaphamFox]

11 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

You have more faith than me

It's not faith. Getting relegated brings a significant amount of jeopardy, and in our case the jeopardy is significantly greater because the EFL cannot wait to get its teeth into us for our perceived 'escape' from a points deduction for 2020-23. The people who run our club will understand the potential implications of going down. They will not regard relegation as just a blip as part of a long-term plan. They will also be mindful of what happened when they let Rodgers stay for too long.

 

The only way Cooper stays will be if it looks like he's going to keep us up. The moment that changes, he's gone.

Edited 20 November 2024 by ClaphamFox

[foxfanazer]

3 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

It's not faith. Getting relegated brings a significant amount of jeopardy, and in our case the jeopardy is significantly greater because the EFL cannot wait to get its teeth into us for our perceived 'escape' from a points deduction for 2020-23. The people who run our club will understand the potential implications of going down. They will not regard relegation as just a blip as part of a long-term plan. They will also be mindful of what happened when they let Rodgers stay for too long.

 

The only way Cooper stays will be if it looks like he's going to keep us up. The moment that changes, he's gone.

This is where I don't have faith in them to realise when is the right time. Granted it would be ballsy to get rid of him now and might raise a few eyebrows amongst the footballing community but this time I'd like us to realise we're in a fire before the flames are up to our knees 

[Claudio Fannieri]

10 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

This is where I don't have faith in them to realise when is the right time. Granted it would be ballsy to get rid of him now and might raise a few eyebrows amongst the footballing community but this time I'd like us to realise we're in a fire before the flames are up to our knees 

I actually think in this instance they already have sufficient doubt, however given our current position and the fact he has only been in position for a number of months, I think they are giving him a prescribed timeframe to either sort it out or during this period at any time the club will cut him loose. 
 

I am not defending the club regards Rodgers as they held onto him way too long but as others have said he had a proven track record at the club and had a some credit in the bank. Cooper has none of this and therefore he is being judged on his current performance. I honestly believe there will be a parting of the ways in the next 6 weeks and how quickly that happens is very much dependent on each result and performance. Another honker on Saturday and I think enough will be enough.  

[markko]

9 hours ago, winteriscoming said:

The only reason we signed Edourd is imo Coopers strange obsession with getting pl experienced players in. Doesn’t matter if there shit. The sooner he goes the better. 

Yawn yawn!!

[markko]

8 hours ago, foxfanazer said:

The scary thing is they'll probably see him as a decent manager for the championship and keep him

Probably and then we will slip through the leagues into administration and everyone will leave bar Danny Ward. We are doomed I tell ya!

[Gav_LCFC14]

He inevitably going to get sacked in the coming weeks. The club sat idlely and wasted these two weeks and that's unforgivable. Weak leadership from the top down.