Cooper - OUT

[st albans fox]

2 minutes ago, Gazza M said:

I don't think any manager can legislate for such poor defending and mistakes. Faes needs shooting after today. We were in the ascendancy going in to the break. Just to concede so early 2nd half knocked the stuffing out of them. 

Their second goal wasn’t faes’ fault ?

 

very strange to bring Ricky in and play an inverted full back - has cooper ever done that before ?  It was almost as if he said to the players - ‘ok, you’ve moaned about not being allowed to play enzo’s formation from last season so go ahead and show me’. whilst we looked competent in the first half, they created marginally the better openings.    to play an inverted full back against such a decent winger was odd indeed.  Last season we’d play the settled full back on the side where the opposition had their best winger. Problem tonight is that forest have two v good wingers.  

[UniFox21]

4 minutes ago, fox_favourite said:

Frustration with him tonight isn't with the goals, that's on the players. He didn't know how to manage the system. The players that came on made it worse and killed it. Game management was so poor hence why we can only play for 45. The 1st half was even, and we had Forest rattled. 2nd goal so early was sheer unforgiving. Like I say that's on the players. Difference in the two teams, one changed it, the other didn't know what to do. It was clear which is which. 

Admitted himself that he brought on too many attackers and lost all rhythm 

[fox_favourite]

Just now, UniFox21 said:

Admitted himself that he brought on too many attackers and lost all rhythm 

He's quick to put his hands up, but he's not learning and that shows he's tactically out his depth. 

[funkyrobot]

11 minutes ago, inckley fox said:

Maybe Ricardo just isn't good enough as a PL right back.

Maybe he isn’t, but I think it reflects badly on the manager who has shown zero trust in him (zero minutes) this season but then expects him to come straight in and perform a complex role that until that point Cooper hadn’t tried once since the season has started. It’s really poor people management in my opinion. I’d also argue that based on what we’ve seen this season and today, he’s definitely no worse than Justin irrespective of whether he’s good enough for the prem or not. 
 

I think there’s at least as much evidence that Cooper isn’t good enough as a PL manager. 

[Lako42]

Should never have been hired in the first place. 

 

What a ****tarded appointment on multiple levels. 

 

Forest fans love him more than ever tonight 

[orangecity23]

If it's all of our fault for picking the team with Fatawu and Ricardo in that's to blame, even though that starting 11 was completely fine for the entire first half, can I have all the credit for subbing Fatawu on last weekend as well please? I've always said Buonanotte is good too, so I'll take all that credit for the Bournemouth win too, ta.

 

[funkyrobot]

39 minutes ago, Webbo said:

I see the Cooper in thread has been locked. If it ain't hate you can't post it on foxestalk. 

What’s the point of unlocking it? There’s surely no positive comments about Cooper’s management of the game tonight.  His name was being chanted with glee by the Notts Forest fans at the end and that should tell you how bad he was. 

[Webbo]

Just now, funkyrobot said:

What’s the point of unlocking it? There’s surely no positive comments about Cooper’s management of the game tonight.  His name was being chanted with glee by the Notts Forest fans at the end and that should tell you how bad he was. 

What's the point of locking it? Why wasn't this thread locked when we beat Southampton?

[Hirsty The Blue 94]

That gutless 2nd half was similar to the Forest away game in the cup, which should have been the day Brendan got the bullet.

I genuinely don't understand the obsession with not playing a traditional back 4 with normal full backs, instead either playing 1 high up the pitch leaving us unbalanced or inverting one to leave us equally unbalanced. The centre halves are not good enough to defend one on one so need all the cover they can get.

Think the first half was pretty balanced as many have said, but 2nd half showed the difference between a proper coach and a bloke who is essentially a PE teacher on the sideline, they made tweaks to their shape to stop us playing and had a style of play however unattractive that worked a treat for them, we just looked like 11 blokes chucked on there hoping for the best. 

If we lose next week against Ipswich I would like to see him replaced before Southampton, Palace & West Ham are all in the market for new managers potentially. If we're being honest our 9 points on the board is flaterring to say the least, I can't think of a game where we couldn't have easily conceded 3 and there haven't been many if any games where we have created multiple chances to score. 

[Analysethis]

Im not a fan of not giving people a chance, whether its those slating new signings and putting them in the bin after a few games or even the manager. But lets be fair here, Cooper was on a hiding to nothing when he joined. It seemed like a desperation appointment, most of the signings seem desperate, and all in all there is zero feel good factor for us and I cant see it getting any better.

 

I think we need to make a move now and get him out but I am not sure who will want to come to us who is as good as the manager we all want. We arent the Leicester of even 2 years ago in our relegation season so I am not overly convinced we will have many managers to choose from.

Edited 25 October 2024 by Analysethis

[funkyrobot]

1 minute ago, Webbo said:

What's the point of locking it? Why wasn't this thread locked when we beat Southampton?

Because we conceded two soft goals against Southampton and because the team we beat was Southampton. 

[Webbo]

Just now, funkyrobot said:

Because we conceded two soft goals against Southampton and because the team we beat was Southampton. 

You've still not told me the point of locking the thread. Nobody is making you read it.

[moore_94]

Wanting to put Soumare onto the pitch in 3 different games should genuinely be a sackable offence itself

[Tuna]

15 minutes ago, Lako42 said:

Should never have been hired in the first place.

We have a winner

[Nolucklcfc]

It’s getting irritating how much he tries to talk up performances 

[funkyrobot]

Just now, Webbo said:

You've still not told me the point of locking the thread. Nobody is making you read it.

You can post comments on why you’d want Cooper in on this thread to be fair and you’ll get a much bigger audience than you would if you posted on a ‘Cooper In’ thread. You’d probably be the only one in it after tonight’s performance. 

[Guest]

Just now, Analysethis said:

Im not a fan of not giving people a chance, whether its those slating new signings and putting them in the bin after a few games or even the manager. But lets be fair here, Cooper was on a hiding to nothing when he joined. It seemed like a desperation appointment, most of the signings seem desperate, and all in all there is zero feel good factor for us and I cant see it getting any better.

 

I think we need to make a move now and get him out but I am not sure who will want to come to us who is as good as the manager we all want. We arent the Leicester of even 2 years ago in our relegation season so I am not overly convinced we will have manager managers to choose from.

However slim the current pool of candidates is, it will be slimmer still after another month or two of Cooper working his magic. It might not be the plummest of jobs but I'm fairly confident it is a big enough draw that we could reasonably expect to improve on the present incumbent, provided we don't wait so long that whoever arrives does so needing to perform a miracle.

[Number 6]

I reckon the first sacking will be this weekend. Wouldn't be surprised if Southampton have been lining someone up all week and will let Martin go after a pasting against Man City. Be interesting to see if that forces the hand of any others.

[Tuna]

2 minutes ago, Number 6 said:

I reckon the first sacking will be this weekend. Wouldn't be surprised if Southampton have been lining someone up all week and will let Martin go after a pasting against Man City. Be interesting to see if that forces the hand of any others.

West Ham

[Analysethis]

3 minutes ago, Guest said:

However slim the current pool of candidates is, it will be slimmer still after another month or two of Cooper working his magic. It might not be the plummest of jobs but I'm fairly confident it is a big enough draw that we could reasonably expect to improve on the present incumbent, provided we don't wait so long that whoever arrives does so needing to perform a miracle.

I know he looks like the love child of Tevez and Ribery, but Cooper is just 44. Within that time, he has managed Liverpool Youths, England U16/17s, Swansea and even Prem Forest. How many managers out there have a better pedigree at that type of age who want to come here at the moments? I cant think of many bright up and coming ones who would.You could argue we are in a better position now with our points haul and no points deduction but it was slim pickings before, I dont know why now we would have a big pool of quality to choose through/

[Lako42]

Just now, Analysethis said:

I know he looks like the love child of Tevez and Ribery, but Cooper is just 44. Within that time, he has managed Liverpool Youths, England U16/17s, Swansea and even Prem Forest. How many managers out there have a better pedigree at that type of age who want to come here at the moments? I cant think of many bright up and coming ones who would.You could argue we are in a better position now with our points haul and no points deduction but it was slim pickings before, I dont know why now we would have a big pool of quality to choose through/

Who did Peter Taylor manage? 

 

[Hamilton Fox]

11 minutes ago, Nolucklcfc said:

It’s getting irritating how much he tries to talk up performances 

He’s trying not to pan the players for the shit mistakes etc (that everyone can see) and knock the confidence I guess… Rodgers gets panned all the time especially the forest cup game was the first time he really threw them under the bus but he’d tried everything else before defending rubbish crap - part of management (from what I remember anyway! Sometimes you can’t win that side of things 

[Russell sprout]

4 defeats against teams in the current top 8,

9 points achieved,

we’re not the Leicester of old and have had to start again ,

think some perspective is needed and there’s another 5-6 teams who would rather be in our position atm

[MattFox]

He’s finished here let’s face it it might not be over the next few weeks but it’s inevitable 

 

 

[DezFox]

1 hour ago, Blue-fox said:

I think it’s safe to to say whatever he does not many people want him. He plays a team that most people have been saying needs to be the 11 and we get beat, then moan about it. 
 

a couple of terrible mistakes by players and that’s also his fault. Let’s just have a sense of realism for the love of god 😂. 

No one wants him because he was the wrong choice and is proving exactly that. Agreed, he can’t make up for the defensive mistakes but he can make up for 1 shot on target and the players clearly having no idea what to do. There is no patterns in play, no obvious strategy and quite frankly nothing gaining momentum or building in any way whatsoever. We are a different team every time we take to the pitch and it’s a complete lottery every time. 
 

There is zero….. I mean completely nothing at all to build on or cling on to. We have won 2 games and we were truly dreadful for large majority of both games. 
 

Tonight selection was correct , they are our best players we have but should be well drilled and cohesive at this point. Having not been selected before collectively,  Unfortunately they are not and have zero clarity on anything they are trying to do.

 

many of these problems fall in Steve cooper and he is never going to build anything here because he is simply not good enough and proved exactly that at forest and his time here.