Cooper - OUT

[markko]

I don't think we should go for Pep. He has not got a clue. Defence awful. He would not know what to do with Faes!

[Bilo]

8 minutes ago, Parafox said:

You're kidding, right?

 

Do you mean swapping Cooper for Santo?

 

Bizarre.

If NES had been in our dugout and Cooper in theirs, it's a different game.

[Parafox]

1 minute ago, Bilo said:

If NES had been in our dugout and Cooper in theirs, it's a different game.

 

Ah. Now I understand and agree.

[Parafox]

6 minutes ago, markko said:

I don't think we should go for Pep. He has not got a clue. Defence awful. He would not know what to do with Faes!

 

But we do. 

[Pliskin]

39 minutes ago, ceebeefox said:

Well I would swap squads (and yes managers because he is plainly not up to it) with every side in this league except Southampton, so unless we sign at least 3 top replacements in the new year even Pep wouldn’t keep this squad up.

Mate you’re talking bollocks…… the team isn’t great no…… but there’s enough experience and quality in it to navigate a comfortable survival. And by that I mean even 15th is comfortable…… they’re being mismanaged, and are being set up to fail by a bloke who’s completely out of his depth as a coach. 
 

Last season proves this group is adaptable, to just flippantly toss that off is feeble….. we’ve scored in all but one game, so we carry a threat, but there’s a lack of a plan which means the same turgid tactics are being deployed week in week out…. You can see the complete lack of enthusiasm on the pitch…. 
 

Time and time again it’s been proven that under good management and with decent coach, the most average of teams can survive comfortably…..

[Corky]

Getting away with proper scrutiny because of refereeing decisions and fortunate scorelines. We are a dreadful team under him.

[inckley fox]

26 minutes ago, Bilo said:

One thing I would say is that Cooper's replacement has to be someone whose preferred style matches what we had before Cooper.

 

A total switch-up would have made more sense in the summer where a decent manager could have had a whole summer and transfer window to rebuild. Even the January transfer window is going to give less than half that as it's traditionally a far quieter window.

 

Ideally therefore, we need a manager who wants possession players and can get the best out of Ricardo, Winks, Vardy, BEK and others. Graham Potter would have been a far better summer appointment but strikes me as a project manager more than a fixer. 

 

With the state we're in, I would say the most sensible pair would either be David Moyes (who isn't an advocate of exciting football but is an experienced pragmatist who's been in this situation before and knows how to play to a team's strengths) or the longer term option of RVN who was great at PSV, knows the league and is capable of producing a team that plays to our strengths.

I don't think Moyes is really renowned as a possession-based manager. If that's our priority - and it shouldn't be, given our squad - then Russell Martin might be available sometime soon. Like you, I'd prefer Moyes to that.

 

Also, I'm not sure getting the best out of Ricardo is going to be on the agenda if we're appointing a new manager anytime soon!

[fox_favourite]

9 minutes ago, J.Lisemore said:

He's just not very well liked here is he? I don't blame him for taking the job with us but his love for Forest certainly hasn't done him any favours with our fanbase. 

This mindset needs to stop. It's nothing to do with the Forest connection. For me, it never has. It's due to what I'm seeing game in and game out. 

[Bilo]

Just now, Corky said:

Getting away with proper scrutiny because of refereeing decisions and fortunate scorelines. We are a dreadful team under him.

I think anything less than three points from the next two games and he's toast.

[worthosoriginals]

44 minutes ago, markko said:

Is he? He would be a risk. If we were.to her the mext.one wrong we will go down. Moyes may keep us up but don't expect to be entertained.

If entertainment rather than winning and staying up is your priority, maybe you should go to the circus and laugh at the clowns car doors falling off.

[Kitchandro]

1 hour ago, Bilo said:

I'm not even bothered if the football is attractive to watch. Southampton are trying to play attractive possession football and they're rapidly being cut adrift. Burnley were the same last season.

 

What I am bothered about is being effective. If we play slightly agricultural football that gets results, that's fine for this season. We'd need to evolve in time, but needs must in the short run.

 

But right now the football is both honking AND ineffectual. We can do better and we should be.

I don’t understand why everyone uses terms like ‘attractive’ as a synonym possession football anyway. It’s the same with all new stadiums being ‘magnificent’. There’s no reasoning behind it, it’s just popular to say this about modern things.

 

Possession football is not attractive in itself, I don’t know why it’s got that reputation. Attractive football is based more on a combination of quality and speed with excitement (shots) at the end of it. i.e. when we won the league it was attractive despite low possession stats.

 

As far as I’m concerned, football that ends in lots goals is attractive by default, and yes, Cooper doesn’t care about goals until we are desperate and have already lost.

Edited 23 November 2024 by Kitchandro

[when_you're_smiling]

13 minutes ago, Bilo said:

Quite honestly, if you'd swapped managers for our game against Forest, I think we'd have won.

 

We aren't that far off.

Really? Which of our players do you think would get into Forest’s starting XI?

 

I was wondering this when we played them and struggled to come up with many. Hermansen maybe? 

[Wymsey]

What do Rudkin and Top talk about if they haven't discussed the current manager's situation, espacially after today?..

 

Shame that there's no fly on the wall to hear what they actually discuss.

 

Or do they rarely communicate with each other?

[Parafox]

Just now, Wymsey said:

What do Rudkin and Top talk about if they haven't discussed the current manager's situation, espacially after today?..

 

Shame that there's no fly on the wall to hear what they actually discuss.

 

Or do they rarely communicate with each other?

The quality of Sanga beer.

[Leicester_Loyal]

41 minutes ago, Gubbins said:

Maybe we could survive but I don't see it being 'comfortably' and regardless of manager the defenders we have really aren't very good. The only improvement over when we went down last time is the goalkeeper which is negated by being significantly weaker in midfield and upfront.

I agree tbf, comfortably for me is staying up with 5 or 6 games to go, we won't manage that, but I'd fancy us to be 4 or 5 above the drop zone come the end of the season. At the minute if we carry on we'll be 4 or 5 behind 17th.

[Bilo]

2 minutes ago, inckley fox said:

I don't think Moyes is really renowned as a possession-based manager. If that's our priority - and it shouldn't be, given our squad - then Russell Martin might be available sometime soon. Like you, I'd prefer Moyes to that.

 

Also, I'm not sure getting the best out of Ricardo is going to be on the agenda if we're appointing a new manager anytime soon!

The issue I'd have with Moyes is that he'd be a competent and pragmatic version of Cooper.

 

Dour football, but dour football that keeps our heads above water. 

 

The problem would be longevity. He'd probably, like Cooper, always feel like a lean five or six games away from the sack and that would come within a couple of years. I suspect his best days are behind him.

 

RVN would be a gamble, but I suspect his best days are ahead and he has a relatively high ceiling. 

[Rusko187]

1 hour ago, ozvaldo said:

I cba going anymore whilst he’s still in charge. 

Yep, seriously giving this some thought myself. There is no excitement anymore when it comes to this football club.. frankly it’s depressing.
 

37 minutes ago, Nolucklcfc said:

The plan is to give it till the new year apparently. 

Crazy if true, knowing our board we’ll give him Jan, lose1 game after Jan Transfer Window then pull the trigger.

 

Personally, if the guy isn’t a long-term plan and there’s thoughts about sacking him then really the club need to just pull the trigger and do it. Just wasting everyone’s time!

[Chelmofox]

Just now, Wymsey said:

What do Rudkin and Top talk about if they haven't discussed the current manager's situation, espacially after today?..

 

Shame that there's no fly on the wall to hear what they actually discuss.

 

Or do they rarely communicate with each other?

Because the job is to stay up, and competing with the top 8 won’t be seen as feasible. Chelsea subbed on more value than our entire squad cost. Whatever we want to think about today, we are in a different league to this lot. 

[lfu]

32 minutes ago, JimJams said:

Peps lost 5 on the bounce.

 

Writings on the wall.

 

We should get him in.

 

But I reckon deep down, he's past it.

 

Honest.

 

 

 

 

Pep Guardiola in the last 5 matches: 0 points

Steve Cooper in the last five matches: 1 point

That's infinite times better! #CooperIn

[FrankieADZ]

7 minutes ago, Corky said:

Getting away with proper scrutiny because of refereeing decisions and fortunate scorelines. We are a dreadful team under him.

cant get away with it, he can moan about the ref all he likes but it wont gloss over his shite tactics etc

[Parafox]

4 minutes ago, worthosoriginals said:

If entertainment rather than winning and staying up is your priority, maybe you should go to the circus and laugh at the clowns car doors falling off.

 

At the moment we have neither of these

[walkerleeds]

1 hour ago, murphy said:

While I agree that it was the worst relegation in history, it is not the fans' job to hire and fire managers.  It is the fans job to back the team on matchday and become the 12th man.  It is entirely a failing of the board that Rodgers was able to stumble on for so long and also their fault that so many players were not as invested as they might have been as their contracts were allowed to run down.

 

Yes I agree, it's the fans duty to hold the board accountable by airing their frustrations on matchdays. But they don't. Because they just aren't bothered.

 

It doesn't really matter if Cooper stays or goes, because those sat in the boardroom clearly have no plan or vision for this club whatsoever. Replacing Maresca with Cooper exemplifies that perfectly.

[Bilo]

4 minutes ago, when_you're_smiling said:

Really? Which of our players do you think would get into Forest’s starting XI?

 

I was wondering this when we played them and struggled to come up with many. Hermansen maybe? 

The man they depend on for goals wasn't good enough for us a decade ago and Ryan Yates is the captain.

 

Hermansen, Winks, Ricardo and an on-form Vardy would all get on their side if properly coached.

[FrankieADZ]

7 minutes ago, worthosoriginals said:

If entertainment rather than winning and staying up is your priority, maybe you should go to the circus and laugh at the clowns car doors falling off.

look at the league games we've won, to say we was lucky would be a massive understatement, 

and its not about entertainment, like that comment is the most stupid thing ive read this evening, and ive seen alot,

i think most on here can accept losing etc but in a manner of going down fighting, and thats nothing like we have had this season

 

Cooper is basically a make-a-wish manager

[James_lcfc]

We are as bad as I’ve ever seen us in the Premier League.

 

It’s just a case of when he goes now. He won’t turn this around.