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Adam Hložek - signed for Hoffenheim

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Jimbo

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43 minutes ago, DJ Barry Hammond said:


Last season was an easier sell - Enzo was an interesting appointment and of course he’s going to speak to incoming players about what he wants from them.

 

I can’t imagine the same sort of chat with Steve is going to go down the same.

 

There might also be a clue here as to why Fawatu took so long to announce too - because whilst the fee was an obligation I guess you still need to finalise and agree personal terms at that point. Maybe he/his agent wanted different terms to what was provisionally agreed at the start of the loan? 

A loan with an obligation to buy is all sorted before the loan is agreed. The player has to agree personal terms and contract statuses because if the obligation is triggered, as was with Fatawu, then the player has to join.

 

If wages, contract length, clauses etc aren't agreed prior to the loan being agreed then the buying club could find their way out of the "obligation" should they want to by offering stupidly low wages to player knowing he'll turn it down and thus backing out of the deal 

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dannythefox

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20 minutes ago, DJ Barry Hammond said:


I’m going to say Cooper has a small part to play in this.

 

Clearly our ‘project’ is a dubious one - trying to survive with a point deduction hanging over us - and Cooper isn’t exactly a manager players are going to be excited to play for. 

 

That meant he really needed to show something with the players he had in pre-season to make the idea of joining us that bit more exciting.

 

If we had a couple of 2 or 3 nil wins, we at least look that bit more attractive for anyone looking to come in - and so perhaps should have treated the games as a bit more than just a run out.

No for me the lad won’t have even looked at pre season, last season maybe but pre season means nothing. We’re just a club in a sorry state. Can’t blame Cooper for this mess. 

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FoxesWalk

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Just now, FoxinNotts said:

I wonder at what point (how long ago) we knew he wasn’t coming. And I wonder who we’ve put a bid in for, the next target, since we knew?

Given the level of competence we operate with, probably about 3 hours after that tweet went out. 

FoxinNotts

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1 minute ago, FoxesWalk said:

Given the level of competence we operate with, probably about 3 hours after that tweet went out. 

I know they are a shambles, but even a shambles has a long long list to work down

st albans fox

st albans fox

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25 minutes ago, DJ Barry Hammond said:


I’m going to say Cooper has a small part to play in this.

 

Clearly our ‘project’ is a dubious one - trying to survive with a point deduction hanging over us - and Cooper isn’t exactly a manager players are going to be excited to play for. 

 

That meant he really needed to show something with the players he had in pre-season to make the idea of joining us that bit more exciting.

 

If we had a couple of 2 or 3 nil wins, we at least look that bit more attractive for anyone looking to come in - and so perhaps should have treated the games as a bit more than just a run out.

Yeah - forest struggled to get anyone to sign for them ……

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Lillehamring

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3 hours ago, CosbehFox said:

 

Just prove everyone here isn't some raving disillusioned loony including Steve Cooper whom has literally said it three times that new players are needed!

 

Season predictions from neutral parties 

 

Guardian 19th - https://www.theguardian.com/football/article/2024/aug/12/premier-league-2024-25-preview-no-11-leicester-city

 

Business has been somewhat light, with the centre-back Caleb Okoli joining from Atalanta after last season’s loan with Frosinone and Bobby De Cordova-Reid arriving on a free from Fulham. The teenage midfielder Michael Golding has come from Chelsea and winger Abdul Fatawu made his loan from Sporting permanent but it has been quiet for a side who need to step up a level, although the financial issues explain that. The De Cordova-Reid signing is an indication of what Cooper wants because he likes having experienced Premier League players.

 

BBC 19th - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cdrlyg088r5o 

 

Cooper and Leicester could defy the odds but it may well be a steep uphill struggle.

 

Telegraph - Relegated - https://archive.ph/cgH6V

 

It looks tough for Leicester, especially with the threat of a points deduction

 

Independent - Relegated - https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league-predictions-2024-25-preview-tips-b2596181.html

 

5 out of their 6 journalists have us down as relegated. 

 

Alan Shearer - 20th - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13746109/Alan-Shearer-predictions-Man-United-Champions-League.html

 

Opta - 18th https://theanalyst.com/2024/08/premier-league-predictions-2024-25-opta-supercomputer/

 

 

I have said my piece, so I will back off replying to the Norwegian Tourist fan 

 

Calm down.

 

Firstly, i've never denied we need signings, just pointed out that we, erm, have actually made some and aren't really performing that badly in the market, all things considered.  I certainly haven't accused anyone let alone everyone of being 'raving disillusioned loonies' - entitled, yes, sheep, yes, some other stuff, but not that - i just couldn't let such a false opinion, repeatedly stated, go by without comment.  

 

Thanks for sharing these predictions - but i have no interest in reading speculation of this kind and no idea what relevance it has to anything i've posted in this thread.

 

Oh, and "Norwegian Tourist Fan" - ha ha - cause i'm the only fan on here who doesn't live in leicester.  You know **** all about me or my connection to this club, so save you snide petty name-calling for someone you actually know the first thing about.

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DJ Barry Hammond

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5 minutes ago, Jimbo said:

A loan with an obligation to buy is all sorted before the loan is agreed. The player has to agree personal terms and contract statuses because of the obligation is triggered, as was with Fatawu, then the player has to join.

 

If wages, contract length, clauses etc aren't agreed prior to the loan being agreed then the buying club could find there way out of the "obligation" should they want to by offering stupidly low wages to player knowing he'll turn it down and thus backing out of the deal 


Whilst I agree - I would assume the concluding conditional transfer would still need to be formalised and relevant paperwork confirming the deal at that point signed - and that a player could potentially hold out their signature (not withstanding at the risk of being in breach of contract).

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VLC86

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1 minute ago, FoxinNotts said:

Enough time to have put in a solid bid for Cameron Puretas? 👀

Im hearing we accidentally contacted Dignitas instead which coincidentally would be the best move of the window.

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DJ Barry Hammond

DJ Barry Hammond

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1 minute ago, st albans fox said:

Yeah - forest struggled to get anyone to sign for them ……


Forest were paying inflated wages to get those deals done - and didn’t they have a super agent involved with a lot of their deals? 

Jimbo

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1 minute ago, DJ Barry Hammond said:


Whilst I agree - I would assume the concluding conditional transfer would still need to be formalised and relevant paperwork confirming the deal at that point signed - and that a player could potentially hold out their signature (not withstanding at the risk of being in breach of contract).

The paperwork would be signed and it would be formalised as soon as the conditions are met to make the loan a permanent under the terms of the obligation. 

 

The player has already put his name to the deal. It would appear that Hlozek hadn't signed the deal with us yet because he was contemplating the terms of our offer because it could have become permanent if the terms were met. 

walkerleeds

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6 minutes ago, Lillehamring said:

Calm down.

 

Firstly, i've never denied we need signings, just pointed out that we, erm, have actually made some and aren't really performing that badly in the market, all things considered.  I certainly haven't accused anyone let alone everyone of being 'raving disillusioned loonies' - entitled, yes, sheep, yes, some other stuff, but not that - i just couldn't let such a false opinion, repeatedly stated, go by without comment.  

 

Thanks for sharing these predictions - but i have no interest in reading speculation of this kind and no idea what relevance it has to anything i've posted in this thread.

 

Oh, and "Norwegian Tourist Fan" - ha ha - cause i'm the only fan on here who doesn't live in leicester.  You know **** all about me or my connection to this club, so save you snide petty name-calling for someone you actually know the first thing about.

 

What's your connection with the club? You're surely on the payroll in some capacity aren't you? 

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Pliskin

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7 hours ago, dannythefox said:

No for me the lad won’t have even looked at pre season, last season maybe but pre season means nothing. We’re just a club in a sorry state. Can’t blame Cooper for this mess. 

Problem is…. We were in a mess last season, but the difference between Enzo and Cooper is, Enzo came in and said “this how I do things, this is how it’s happening, if you don’t like it then I’ll be on my way”…. 
 

This sets a completely different tone. We were decisive, we went out and got our targets, the scouting was specific….. Enzo was very sure about what he wanted to do, and he demanded things were done his way…. And for an inexperienced manager this was quite remarkable. 
 

And the other thing was his ideas were clear to see from the off….. I can remember the first pre season friendly you could see the plan, even in its infancy…..

 

Cooper, seemingly has no plan, he’s given us a wet response “I’m not changing much” yet we’re unrecognisable….. we look lost, like they’ve never played together before….. 

 

Whereas Cooper cant control what goes on above him, I feel he could have been a bit more assertive…. He looks a bit like a rabbit in headlights, a bit like he’s the substitute to the classes favourite teacher. 
 

I agree he’s not to blame for the mess, but I don’t think he’s come in and taken control of the situation either, not like Enzo did….

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The Doctor

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Just now, Grebfromgrebland said:

Happens all the time at the end of transfer windows 

not at Leicester it doesn't. Rudkins keeps getting his tie trapped in the fax machine

5waller5

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1 hour ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

We are used as a tool by select agents. We agree to bid and generate interest from proper clubs and we are promised crumbs towards the end of a window in return. That’s what they’ve made us into. When you have a lazy chairman, DOF and CEO, all who have been handed a life by a maverick entrepreneur billionaire and earned nothing on merit, it’s what you get. Anyone who wants to act sensible and suggest this is normal, have a night off. This is embarrassing and the second time we’ve been the embarrassment of the PL window, I’m sorry my club is worth more than this. 

Absolutely nailed it 👍

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Lesta Legend

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42 minutes ago, StanSP said:

At what point does Top actually realise Rudkin hasn't done his job this summer and that we've fvcked ourselves over for this season (in isolation)? 

 

When does he actually get a fvcking grip on proceedings and make some ruthless calls? 

I don’t care about the opinion of those that defend the club now, I’ve tried to be balanced and give the club a chance. How many times can we blame variables we can’t control when it’s blatantly obvious this is just incompetence. 
 

We’ve had since the end of April early may to start work and yet again there appears to be no coherent plan and a scatter gun approach with pitiful outcomes. It’s amateur at best. 
 

And we watch our relegation rivals strengthen and we’re the ones with the likely handicap of a point deduction. 
 

While other teams have teams likely working throughout the summer our DOF was larking about on a boat and celebrating with Top. 

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