Jeremy Monga

[OntarioFox]

To be fair, Luke Thomas is the cautionary tale against throwing academy products in at the deep end - after some early promise, the tail end of 21-22 and the debacle of the relegation season absolutely tanked his development.

 

That being said, I think the current situation is very different. There's a clear acknowledgement that the first team as a whole is terrible, and I think (or at least hope) the fanbase will be a lot more forgiving of youth players that come in even if they weren't to set the world on fire. I don't think even the blindest fan now expects the likes of Alves and Braybrook to drag us back to a top-6 position, we just want a new spine that has some energy and displays even a hint of being proud to wear the shirt.

[Noahfence]

9 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Is he?

Flashscore has him down on the bench. Didn’t come on. Obviously could be an error 

[lcfcsnow]

Since his appearance on the bench in the cup he seems to have gone back to u18's for some reason for a few games, whatever the clubs playing at this isn't the right way

[moore_94]

6 minutes ago, lcfcsnow said:

Since his appearance on the bench in the cup he seems to have gone back to u18's for some reason for a few games, whatever the clubs playing at this isn't the right way

He has usually played for the under 21s whenever available, just plays for both teams

 

Looks like he wasn’t actually in the under 18s today

Edited 8 March by moore_94

[Ric Flair]

36 minutes ago, OntarioFox said:

To be fair, Luke Thomas is the cautionary tale against throwing academy products in at the deep end - after some early promise, the tail end of 21-22 and the debacle of the relegation season absolutely tanked his development.

 

That being said, I think the current situation is very different. There's a clear acknowledgement that the first team as a whole is terrible, and I think (or at least hope) the fanbase will be a lot more forgiving of youth players that come in even if they weren't to set the world on fire. I don't think even the blindest fan now expects the likes of Alves and Braybrook to drag us back to a top-6 position, we just want a new spine that has some energy and displays even a hint of being proud to wear the shirt.

Don't think Luke Thomas's decline has anything to do with him being thrown in too early. He's mirrored pretty much the entire LCFC squad of players that have been here from 2021/22 onwards.

[Chelmofox]

1 hour ago, DezFox said:

Alves and Nelson should be in the team now. We also should have know more about Jakubs ability before ward gets anywhere near the team. 

Alves wasn’t ready. I think Nelson was very close but with a lot of cb options I think the loan was the right choice. 
 

Let’s not reinvent history. Jakub was injured. If fit Ward got nowhere near the team. 

Edited 8 March by Chelmofox

[Foxmeister]

1 hour ago, Noahfence said:

Flashscore has him down on the bench. Didn’t come on. Obviously could be an error 

Saving him for tomorrow 🤞

[DezFox]

3 hours ago, Chelmofox said:

Alves wasn’t ready. I think Nelson was very close but with a lot of cb options I think the loan was the right choice. 
 

Let’s not reinvent history. Jakub was injured. If fit Ward got nowhere near the team. 

I didn’t mean this year. I mean even at 21 we should have put him ahead of ward then. Im not talking about hindsight, I’m talking about giving academy players a chance, this would be one. 
 

nelson over Coady last year

jakub over ward year before

bassey given at least a chance

alves over Ayew and BDR this year. 
 

I’m not for one minute saying they would have all worked but it would IMO have built do momentum to convince others there might be a pathway. Thats all I’m saying. Reinventing nothing. 

[FrankieADZ]

tbf ill be surprised if he stays, all these younger players see the glitz and glamour of going to someone like Man City or Liverpool, but when push comes to shove many dont go on to be starters(after a good few years at said bigger club)

 

they get farmed out on loan etc then sold, 

If Monga had anything about him, he'd stay here, hes got more of a chance of getting in our first team compared to going somewhere like Man City(in the short term)even if it is in the Championship, and being first team ready after a season or 2 in the championship he's more likely to be a starter for a premier league team come the time he'd move on

 

but many of these young players dont think like that, they want the now, rather have the cash and the clout saying that are at Man City etc, even tho long term these moves arent always right for the player

[jammie82uk]

9 minutes ago, DezFox said:

there might be a pathway.

I keep seeing this and other variations about having no pathway to the first team, we clearly have a path way to the first team. 

 

“Leicester City maintained a remarkable streak of including at least one academy graduate in their matchday squad for 288 consecutive games, spanning nearly six years. This run began in December 2018 when Hamza Choudhury featured in a League Cup quarter-final against Manchester City. Unfortunately, the streak ended in October 2024 during a 1-0 victory over Bournemouth, primarily due to Choudhury’s absence caused by a dislocated shoulder.

 

Throughout this period, 24 academy players were involved in first-team squads, including notable talents like Ben Chilwell, Harvey Barnes, and Kiernan Dewsbury-Hall.”

[st albans fox]

3 minutes ago, jammie82uk said:

I keep seeing this and other variations about having no pathway to the first team, we clearly have a path way to the first team. 

 

“Leicester City maintained a remarkable streak of including at least one academy graduate in their matchday squad for 288 consecutive games, spanning nearly six years. This run began in December 2018 when Hamza Choudhury featured in a League Cup quarter-final against Manchester City. Unfortunately, the streak ended in October 2024 during a 1-0 victory over Bournemouth, primarily due to Choudhury’s absence caused by a dislocated shoulder.

 

Throughout this period, 24 academy players were involved in first-team squads, including notable talents like Ben Chilwell, Harvey Barnes, and Kiernan Dewsbury-Hall.”

It’s not the lack,of academy grads in the first team squad, it’s how long it takes for them to get there 

[HankMarvin]

11 minutes ago, jammie82uk said:

I keep seeing this and other variations about having no pathway to the first team, we clearly have a path way to the first team. 

 

“Leicester City maintained a remarkable streak of including at least one academy graduate in their matchday squad for 288 consecutive games, spanning nearly six years. This run began in December 2018 when Hamza Choudhury featured in a League Cup quarter-final against Manchester City. Unfortunately, the streak ended in October 2024 during a 1-0 victory over Bournemouth, primarily due to Choudhury’s absence caused by a dislocated shoulder.

 

Throughout this period, 24 academy players were involved in first-team squads, including notable talents like Ben Chilwell, Harvey Barnes, and Kiernan Dewsbury-Hall.”

Getting in a 24 man squad and breaking into the first team are worlds apart 

[indierich06]

26 minutes ago, FrankieADZ said:

tbf ill be surprised if he stays, all these younger players see the glitz and glamour of going to someone like Man City or Liverpool, but when push comes to shove many dont go on to be starters(after a good few years at said bigger club)

 

they get farmed out on loan etc then sold, 

If Monga had anything about him, he'd stay here, hes got more of a chance of getting in our first team compared to going somewhere like Man City(in the short term)even if it is in the Championship, and being first team ready after a season or 2 in the championship he's more likely to be a starter for a premier league team come the time he'd move on

 

but many of these young players dont think like that, they want the now, rather have the cash and the clout saying that are at Man City etc, even tho long term these moves arent always right for the player

They make a shit load of money, play for a good club under some of the best coaches in the world, and then - usually worst case scenario - they end up getting sold to a club that's probably bigger or similar size to us. 

[FrankieADZ]

Just now, indierich06 said:

They make a shit load of money, play for a good club under some of the best coaches in the world, and then - usually worst case scenario - they end up getting sold to a club that's probably bigger or similar size to us. 

yeah thats the other way to look at it, and it wouldnt be a shit load of money, it would be a good wage of course; and best coaches.....really, theyd be in the youth set up, so they wouldnt be always be under the best, as most would be first team managers.

but all depends on the player and doesnt always work out like that either, like Ben Woodburn at liverpool, they thought he was going to be a world beater....

so it doesnt always work out that way in regards players going to a bigger club than us, look at it this way if he stayed with us(which i doubt he will as i said) he'd certainly be on a good wage, be in the first team, and when it comes time for a move he'd get alot more all around sooner, but as i said, these players dont think like that now

its very much a double edge sword

[DezFox]

37 minutes ago, jammie82uk said:

I keep seeing this and other variations about having no pathway to the first team, we clearly have a path way to the first team. 

 

“Leicester City maintained a remarkable streak of including at least one academy graduate in their matchday squad for 288 consecutive games, spanning nearly six years. This run began in December 2018 when Hamza Choudhury featured in a League Cup quarter-final against Manchester City. Unfortunately, the streak ended in October 2024 during a 1-0 victory over Bournemouth, primarily due to Choudhury’s absence caused by a dislocated shoulder.

 

Throughout this period, 24 academy players were involved in first-team squads, including notable talents like Ben Chilwell, Harvey Barnes, and Kiernan Dewsbury-Hall.”

I’m not sure mentioning those 3 names is relevant. Ben chilwell made his debut about 10 years ago and is now 28. In the last 4 years, which coincides with our decline. I don’t think there has been an effective plan or strategy or clear pathway for our academy. If you’re happy with it, that’s fine. I think it could be better, much better. Taking a few more risks and a few more chances would be a start. 

Edited 8 March by DezFox

[Foxmeister]

36 minutes ago, FrankieADZ said:

tbf ill be surprised if he stays, all these younger players see the glitz and glamour of going to someone like Man City or Liverpool, but when push comes to shove many dont go on to be starters(after a good few years at said bigger club)

 

they get farmed out on loan etc then sold, 

If Monga had anything about him, he'd stay here, hes got more of a chance of getting in our first team compared to going somewhere like Man City(in the short term)even if it is in the Championship, and being first team ready after a season or 2 in the championship he's more likely to be a starter for a premier league team come the time he'd move on

 

but many of these young players dont think like that, they want the now, rather have the cash and the clout saying that are at Man City etc, even tho long term these moves arent always right for the player

There's a couple of things here, every player will back themselves to achieve, they've all beaten the odds just getting to be professionals.

 

Secondly, we're going to be a Championship club next season who, most probably, won't give him a chance and the best he can really hope is he gets a loan at L1 or L2 level which is likely to be available to him at Man City.

 

Man City don't necessarily see him as ever being in their 1st XI but more a Harwood-Bellis/James Trafford sort where they can sell him, along with a couple of others, for £15-20m each, and buy a played to slot straight in to their first team. 

 

My prediction is, by the time he's 21, he'll be at a Crystal Palace type club.

[FrankieADZ]

31 minutes ago, Foxmeister said:

There's a couple of things here, every player will back themselves to achieve, they've all beaten the odds just getting to be professionals.

 

Secondly, we're going to be a Championship club next season who, most probably, won't give him a chance and the best he can really hope is he gets a loan at L1 or L2 level which is likely to be available to him at Man City.

 

Man City don't necessarily see him as ever being in their 1st XI but more a Harwood-Bellis/James Trafford sort where they can sell him, along with a couple of others, for £15-20m each, and buy a played to slot straight in to their first team. 

 

My prediction is, by the time he's 21, he'll be at a Crystal Palace type club.

well lets not beat around the bush, hes more than likely to be if the EFL get their way with us

[dannythefox]

He’ll be gone. It’s an opportunity you can’t turn down.

[baldeagle]

12 hours ago, OntarioFox said:

To be fair, Luke Thomas is the cautionary tale against throwing academy products in at the deep end - after some early promise, the tail end of 21-22 and the debacle of the relegation season absolutely tanked his development.

 

That being said, I think the current situation is very different. There's a clear acknowledgement that the first team as a whole is terrible, and I think (or at least hope) the fanbase will be a lot more forgiving of youth players that come in even if they weren't to set the world on fire. I don't think even the blindest fan now expects the likes of Alves and Braybrook to drag us back to a top-6 position, we just want a new spine that has some energy and displays even a hint of being proud to wear the shirt.

Nah down to liking the pop too much  and being a limited player 

[Leeds Fox]

Seriously, fxck this guy. If he’s going, I don’t blame him. The system is broken, it’ll never be not broken. Move on, close the academy (as all smaller clubs should) and let them develop everyone themselves. I’m tired of this nonsense 

[Leeds Fox]

I’ll take £200 with anyone that he won’t have played 150 PL games (90s) by 2035. 
 

 

[murphy]

2 hours ago, HankMarvin said:

Getting in a 24 man squad and breaking into the first team are worlds apart 

 

Barnes, Chilwell, Thomas, Hamza and KDH have made 500 appearances for us so we are not talking about youth players making squads and never getting on to the pitch and you know it.

 

I feel some people are so bitter that they are queuing up to beat the club up for problems that don't even exist.  Boo hoo.  We never develop our youth players, except for the academy graduates that have come through and continue to com through but don't count for some reason.

 

I have a challenge for these people:

 

1 - Find me a similar size club that has a better recent record on bringing through youth than we do.

 

or 

 

2 - Find me another era in living memory in which LCFC has developed as many youth players as we have recently

 

or 

 

3 - If you have to be outraged, focus that bitterness on the many, many, many failings of this club that actually exist.

 

[Claudio Fannieri]

15 minutes ago, murphy said:

 

Barnes, Chilwell, Thomas, Hamza and KDH have made 500 appearances for us so we are not talking about youth players making squads and never getting on to the pitch and you know it.

 

I feel some people are so bitter that they are queuing up to beat the club up for problems that don't even exist.  Boo hoo.  We never develop our youth players, except for the academy graduates that have come through and continue to com through but don't count for some reason.

 

I have a challenge for these people:

 

1 - Find me a similar size club that has a better recent record on bringing through youth than we do.

 

or 

 

2 - Find me another era in living memory in which LCFC has developed as many youth players as we have recently

 

or 

 

3 - If you have to be outraged, focus that bitterness on the many, many, many failings of this club that actually exist.

 

I think the issue is we are way too cautious about giving our better academy prospects opportunities a lot earlier, we seem to be immune to bringing players into regular first team involvement before they are 20. 
 

Would be good to see players like Evans, Monga et al given the opportunity in the 1st team before they hit 18 as that would be a real statement of intent from the club that if you are good enough then you are old enough. We have to make it a clear strategy that sets us apart from other clubs that we will give our most talented players 1st team exposure at a young age, otherwise we will continue to lose our brightest talents to others clubs. 

[LCFCJohn]

5 minutes ago, murphy said:

 

Barnes, Chilwell, Thomas, Hamza and KDH have made 500 appearances for us so we are not talking about youth players making squads and never getting on to the pitch and you know it.

 

I feel some people are so bitter that they are queuing up to beat the club up for problems that don't even exist.  Boo hoo.  We never develop our youth players, except for the academy graduates that have come through and continue to com through but don't count for some reason.

 

I have a challenge for these people:

 

1 - Find me a similar size club that has a better recent record on bringing through youth than we do.

 

or 

 

2 - Find me another era in living memory in which LCFC has developed as many youth players as we have recently

 

or 

 

3 - If you have to be outraged, focus that bitterness on the many, many, many failings of this club that actually exist.

 

The minutes have been good. The fees for Chilwell, Barnes and KDH also. 
 

I think you can appreciate that whilst identifying that there are a couple of areas that could be improved.

 

1. Other, lower key sales to keep things ticking over. Man City make a fortune doing this. We are obviously dealing at a much different level and if we are selling down the pyramid based on them not making the grade here, we are not talking large fees as such. Hirst may be a good example, although he’d probably be good enough for us next season. Cannon as well although from a PSR point it wasn’t as good as we owed a fair bit but purely in terms of the fee.

 

2. Loans. We seem slow at this and even this was the case with KDH. Perhaps even Barnes and Chilwell could have been slightly earlier although that might be picky. A lot of the loans we do send out don’t succeed since the over 3 either. There’s factor such as injury on loan (Nelson) or injury putting back going out and getting first team experience (Alves) so those factors need noting. 
 

So it’s not about chucking them in too young. But improving the second points might increase the first team appearances from academy graduate but them starting a bit younger and help PSR but putting others in the shop windows and making tidy bits of profit, even if small individually.

[FoxOnWheels]

Play him today let him see he’s not ready yet to be playing premier league football week in week out and will be better being big player for us in championship first before getting a big move