Jeremy Monga

[LFEFox23]

I cant believe there isn't clauses/laws built into sections of football across the world stopping this type of 'Theft' .... I get it kids cant sign pro contracts until they're 17 and they are just a child, but surely any parent club (that has trained & looked after the player for xxx amount of years) should get say 10% of every transfer fee that player is involved in through out their career.

 

Just an idea, I'm not just talking about Monga but any club across the world who has put a lot of time, effort and expense into a kid and developed them into prospect, can just be snatched by one of the big boys.

 

The tribunal fee's seem to be abysmal, but to be fair how can a board of people know how big a player is going to become?

 

Generally a players transfer fee will be dependant on how good they are, so the parent club are rewarded appropriately if they get say 10% of the fee. 

 

Really grinds my gears!!!

Edited 31 March by LFEFox23

[Chelmofox]

3 hours ago, AKCJ said:

We can't make Trey Nyoni the norm. We've invested so heavily in the training ground and academy that we need to see players coming through.

 

When was the last time a player came through our academy and straight into our first team? I know Wanya Marcal played a bit last season but who was the last player to come through the academy and get decent game time before needing to go on loan for 2/3 years?

Nyoni gets talked about on here like hes been a rip roaring success at Liverpool.  But even with the additional opportunities for starting at Liverpool, he has 0 PL minutes and his start in the FA Cup against Plymouth saw Liverpool lose and i dont remember seeing much from him in that game. He's been on the bench a few times, and that's part and parcel of Liverpool being in so many competitions. But i still think being sat on the bench isn't a guide to success when blooding new talent. 

 

With the youngsters, time will tell. No matter what route Monga takes its a risk, but im not convinced the decision will be made based on a few games on the bench next season, plus a start against a lower league club in the cups.  

[moore_94]

21 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

Is he in the 14 to 15 years old school year or 15 to 16?

 

I'd imagine there's no way he'll play much if he's still going to be at secondary school during next season.

15 to 16

 

Needs to bin off his GCSE’s and be playing for us the rest of the season instead in my opinion 

[AKCJ]

19 minutes ago, Chelmofox said:

Nyoni gets talked about on here like hes been a rip roaring success at Liverpool.  But even with the additional opportunities for starting at Liverpool, he has 0 PL minutes and his start in the FA Cup against Plymouth saw Liverpool lose and i dont remember seeing much from him in that game. He's been on the bench a few times, and that's part and parcel of Liverpool being in so many competitions. But i still think being sat on the bench isn't a guide to success when blooding new talent. 

 

With the youngsters, time will tell. No matter what route Monga takes its a risk, but im not convinced the decision will be made based on a few games on the bench next season, plus a start against a lower league club in the cups.  

He's 17 and has already played 8 times for Liverpool after they paid nothing for him (yet).

 

Not really about him tearing it up for them but more that he's clearly a very talented lad and we don't own him.

[Foxdiamond]

19 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

He's 17 and has already played 8 times for Liverpool after they paid nothing for him (yet).

 

Not really about him tearing it up for them but more that he's clearly a very talented lad and we don't own him.

How long is the compensation supposed to take? A club should not be able to give a player a first team debut until all sorted in my view. It seems yet again the system favours so called bigger clubs. 

[FOXYTALK]

56 minutes ago, LFEFox23 said:

I cant believe there isn't clauses/laws built into sections of football across the world stopping this type of 'Theft' .... I get it kids cant sign pro contracts until they're 17 and they are just a child, but surely any parent club (that has trained & looked after the player for xxx amount of years) should get say 10% of every transfer fee that player is involved in through out their career.

 

Just an idea, I'm not just talking about Monga but any club across the world who has put a lot of time, effort and expense into a kid and developed them into prospect, can just be snatched by one of the big boys.

 

The tribunal fee's seem to be abysmal, but to be fair how can a board of people know how big a player is going to become?

 

Generally a players transfer fee will be dependant on how good they are, so the parent club are rewarded appropriately if they get say 10% of the fee. 

 

Really grinds my gears!!!

Should be 20% plus a fee for taking the player from his club. 

[Royston.]

49 minutes ago, Chelmofox said:

Nyoni gets talked about on here like hes been a rip roaring success at Liverpool.  But even with the additional opportunities for starting at Liverpool, he has 0 PL minutes and his start in the FA Cup against Plymouth saw Liverpool lose and i dont remember seeing much from him in that game. He's been on the bench a few times, and that's part and parcel of Liverpool being in so many competitions. But i still think being sat on the bench isn't a guide to success when blooding new talent. 

 

With the youngsters, time will tell. No matter what route Monga takes its a risk, but im not convinced the decision will be made based on a few games on the bench next season, plus a start against a lower league club in the cups.  

Liverpool just snapped him up before anyone else.

Probably got an eye on a decent fee for him rather than being a liverpool regular

 

 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

1 minute ago, FOXYTALK said:

Should be 20% plus a fee for taking the player from his club. 

At what point do you define "his club"? 16? But what about the aggrieved club that we took him from? And what about the one before that? Are we suggesting just to draw the line where is suits us in this instance? 

[Royston.]

1 minute ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

At what point do you define "his club"? 16? But what about the aggrieved club that we took him from? And what about the one before that? Are we suggesting just to draw the line where is suits us in this instance? 

Yes

[murphy]

2 hours ago, dooflip said:

The young lads couldn’t look more lost than the players we’ve had to watch all season.

That's true, it seems at times a set of traffic cones might be more useful than them, but that's not the point.  The point is those players' development.  Chucking them into this dysfunctional team might well impede their development.  We don't want to break them.  Take a broom to the squad in the summer and rebuild the team next year, in The Championship, around the academy graduates

[Stadt]

There’s never a perfect time to play youngsters. 15 minutes here and there will have be far more beneficial than protecting them from a negative environment.

 

If we had Lamine Yamal on our books we wouldn’t play him and he’d leave. 

[Foxdiamond]

1 hour ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

At what point do you define "his club"? 16? But what about the aggrieved club that we took him from? And what about the one before that? Are we suggesting just to draw the line where is suits us in this instance? 

Perhaps Academy Scholarship age at 14?

[Ric Flair]

If anyone thinks we shouldn't blood our academy players whilst we're crap, have a look at Sheffield Utd. They played a handful in the latter part of the season and thrn built the team around them this year and they've prospered.

[winteriscoming]

The youngsters can’t be any worse than what we witnessed majority of the season. I know the bar is extremely low but scoring 1 goal would be an improvement. As I say that’s how low the bar is. Give them a go asap. 

[LCFCJohn]

3 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

If anyone thinks we shouldn't blood our academy players whilst we're crap, have a look at Sheffield Utd. They played a handful in the latter part of the season and thrn built the team around them this year and they've prospered.

I have cited them numerous times as an example. Arblaster as captain until injury too. Peck is playing. Even had a kid GK on the bench regularly in Faxon. Could you imagine us trusting such a young keeper to come in if needed?

[cityfanlee23]

5 hours ago, LFEFox23 said:

I cant believe there isn't clauses/laws built into sections of football across the world stopping this type of 'Theft' .... I get it kids cant sign pro contracts until they're 17 and they are just a child, but surely any parent club (that has trained & looked after the player for xxx amount of years) should get say 10% of every transfer fee that player is involved in through out their career.

 

Just an idea, I'm not just talking about Monga but any club across the world who has put a lot of time, effort and expense into a kid and developed them into prospect, can just be snatched by one of the big boys.

 

The tribunal fee's seem to be abysmal, but to be fair how can a board of people know how big a player is going to become?

 

Generally a players transfer fee will be dependant on how good they are, so the parent club are rewarded appropriately if they get say 10% of the fee. 

 

Really grinds my gears!!!

This, you'd maybe have to have a sliding scale, say for example a player is at an academy for 3 years prior to leaving, the future fee could be 5-10%, if the player had been there for 5-6 years, the fee could be 10-20%. 
 

[FOXYTALK]

6 hours ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

At what point do you define "his club"? 16? But what about the aggrieved club that we took him from? And what about the one before that? Are we suggesting just to draw the line where is suits us in this instance? 

Possibly at 16. Or when they signed a scholarship with a club. Agree with the previous posts that it should be higher based on the years at the club. 

[Smooch85]

Only decent option for us would be him signing for PSG or Barcelona, because correct me if I’m wrong he wouldn’t be able to move until he’s 18. Therefore getting a good few years service out of him before losing him for peanuts wouldn’t be the worst scenario? 

[davieG]

7 hours ago, Foxdiamond said:

How long is the compensation supposed to take? A club should not be able to give a player a first team debut until all sorted in my view. It seems yet again the system favours so called bigger clubs. 

We're a bigger club to many and I'm sure if we actually played academy juniors we'd do the same.

[st albans fox]

15 minutes ago, Smooch85 said:

Only decent option for us would be him signing for PSG or Barcelona, because correct me if I’m wrong he wouldn’t be able to move until he’s 18. Therefore getting a good few years service out of him before losing him for peanuts wouldn’t be the worst scenario? 

Correct

selling him at 18 would net us a reasonable fee.  But if the family decided to go that route then perhaps would be on the basis that a suppressed fee was agreed in advance.   Say £15m.  We’d not get anything like that in compo at 16 and we’d not get a couple  seasons from him either. 

[Smooch85]

I guess it all boils down to how your parents work this. Are they in the Bellingham category of Brains or are they after a quick buck and not looking at the long term.
 

You could arguably put him in that category already of potential as Jude. He seams to have that generational hype outside the club. So rack up 50 championship/prem games with us, quick few years somewhere in Europe and then your playing week in a Real Madrid earring life changing money for life. Personally I think the way Jude was managed should be a blue print for players/family's that genuinely have the determination to make it to the top 1%

[Sly]

I’m not dismissing his ability, as he’s clearly talented. 
 

However, the reason many players will take a quick fix to money is football is ruthless. 
 

For every Bellingham, we can all name players that have fallen after being hailed as Wonderkids and generational talents. 
 

Sonny Pike, Alan Halilovic, Keirrison, Gai Assulin, Kerlon, Sebastian Deisler, Sergi Samper, Josh McEachran, Michael Johnson, Denilson, Bojan, Hachim Mastour, John Bostock, Ravel Morrison, Adriano, Freddy Adu. Every academy will have players that are special, before we had Monga, we had Nyoni.

 

Football has levels and ability is only a fraction of what gets you to a level. The standard at Championship standard alone is  in the top 10 divisions in the world. So if you’re playing in that, you’re most likely in the top 20,000 players in the world. 
 

You also need the right attitude, drive and network around you to be a success.

 

What made Bellingham special is a mix of the above. If you read his story, the sacrifices his parents made for both Jobe and Jude is unique. They’re grounded players and those types of players are old school but generally more relatable. 
 

You can’t blame any player for leaving this dumpster fire of a club in its current state if he can make life changing money elsewhere, in a better working environment. He could get injured like Alves or Braybrooke did tomorrow and never play again. 
 

Football is short and even dropping 1% puts you so, so far behind. 

[Royston.]

15 hours ago, Stadt said:

There’s never a perfect time to play with youngsters. 15 minutes here and there will have be far more beneficial than protecting them from a negative environment.

 

If we had Lamine Yamal on our books we wouldn’t play with him and he’d leave. 

Edited 1 April by Royston.

[st albans fox]

5 hours ago, Sly said:

I’m not dismissing his ability, as he’s clearly talented. 
 

However, the reason many players will take a quick fix to money is football is ruthless. 
 

For every Bellingham, we can all name players that have fallen after being hailed as Wonderkids and generational talents. 
 

Sonny Pike, Alan Halilovic, Keirrison, Gai Assulin, Kerlon, Sebastian Deisler, Sergi Samper, Josh McEachran, Michael Johnson, Denilson, Bojan, Hachim Mastour, John Bostock, Ravel Morrison, Adriano, Freddy Adu. Every academy will have players that are special, before we had Monga, we had Nyoni.

 

Football has levels and ability is only a fraction of what gets you to a level. The standard at Championship standard alone is  in the top 10 divisions in the world. So if you’re playing in that, you’re most likely in the top 20,000 players in the world. 
 

You also need the right attitude, drive and network around you to be a success.

 

What made Bellingham special is a mix of the above. If you read his story, the sacrifices his parents made for both Jobe and Jude is unique. They’re grounded players and those types of players are old school but generally more relatable. 
 

You can’t blame any player for leaving this dumpster fire of a club in its current state if he can make life changing money elsewhere, in a better working environment. He could get injured like Alves or Braybrooke did tomorrow and never play again. 
 

Football is short and even dropping 1% puts you so, so far behind. 

Can we pin this at the top of every thread regarding academy wonder kids ……

 

[Finnegan]

16 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

If anyone thinks we shouldn't blood our academy players whilst we're crap, have a look at Sheffield Utd. They played a handful in the latter part of the season and thrn built the team around them this year and they've prospered.

 

Pretty sure we're still in denial that we can get out of the mess tbf. 

 

Ruud will have no plans to be our manager next year so he's definitely not going to be succession planning with the squad.