Manchester United 3 - 0 Leicester City - Post Match Thread

[Fox42]

40 minutes ago, foxes_rule1978 said:

See I agree with this, I think we have underachieved so far under Cooper, we have some exciting players and it wouldn’t take much to make us a good established PL team again 

Our team currently has an Aston Villa under Steven Gerrard vibe about it, no doubt.

[BakerLCFC]

Just rewatched the highlights back for the first goal as thought when I watched it live that Justin was at fault, again; but then realised that he was trying to mark Amad and Mazaroui while we have 6 Leicester players marking each other in the box! @StriderHiryu looking forward forward to you ripping apart this shocking display!

[Tom12345]

Negatives:

 

- Lost 3-0

- Too many defensive lapses once again, which we cannot afford at this level. Once again, our RB area is our weak link. Not sure if this is because of JJ or the system. But this needs to be fixed. Interesting that Cooper had Fatawu on the left side. Perhaps it is to not let JJ be alone too often as Fatawu is a very attacking player, but unfortunately it didn’t work.

- Further to the above, JJ needs to be dropped.

- Kristiansen is ok defensively, but he was at fault for the first goal by shying away from a header. He is also very limited in terms of his passing ability and is a weak link at the moment. Perhaps as some of you said, we should play 3 at the back with Okoli as our third defender alongside Vesty and Faes. Kristiansen should be dropped.

 

Positives:

- I know it is easy to criticise everyone when we lost 3-0, but our midfield actually cut through Man Utd quite a lot yesterday. Unfortunately we didn’t have the quality to finish but it is a positive to see.

- The Winks and Soumare combination was actually quite good. Quite a few times their passing led to us cutting through Man Utd.

- Fatawu was awesome. He was great on the left and also on the right. Man U could not contain him. Our best player.

- Buonanotte was good once again.

 

Comments:

- I thought what we lacked was another winger. If we have Mavididi or McAteer on earlier as a winger, we could have stretched the midfield more and perhaps cut through Man U even more.

- Given the negatives above, we should have dropped both JJ and Kristensen and started Okoli with a back 3. Give Mavididi a start instead.

- Unfortunately Cooper wanted balance but this meant we got nowhere as we were not cutting edge enough in front of goal but with JJ’s defensive vulnerability and Kristensen giving the ball away often we were not so great defensively either.

- We need to invest in a new CB or FB this summer. JJ and Kristensen are not good enough and we need cover.

- Ndidi as AM is ok as a destroyer upfront, but his passes (more like bounces) put too much pressure on his teammates. Good to see Cooper recognised this and subbed him out for Bilal. But by then we were chasing the game and it was too hard to break down Man U with just one winger.

- We need to play 2 wingers.

- Man U is much better under RVN. We play them at the wrong time.

- Keep supporting the boys. They are still getting this right but this game show that, ironically, we can compete. Our players are not bad and we had good passages of play. They are not as awful as some of you suggest. If we can cheer them on regardless they will come good.

Edited 11 November 2024 by Tom12345

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4 minutes ago, BakerLCFC said:

Just rewatched the highlights back for the first goal as thought when I watched it live that Justin was at fault, again; but then realised that he was trying to mark Amad and Mazaroui while we have 6 Leicester players marking each other in the box! @StriderHiryu looking forward forward to you ripping apart this shocking display!

We bunched up A LOT today. Massive tactical issues 

[Tom12345]

9 minutes ago, BakerLCFC said:

Just rewatched the highlights back for the first goal as thought when I watched it live that Justin was at fault, again; but then realised that he was trying to mark Amad and Mazaroui while we have 6 Leicester players marking each other in the box! @StriderHiryu looking forward forward to you ripping apart this shocking display!

We should not have conceded that one for sure.

 

While the others were also at fault bunched up like that, with probably Soumare closest to have to move up, I also think this is where JJ’s awareness and positioning needs to be better. 

Edited 10 November 2024 by Tom12345

[Levi Port]

Actually didn’t think we were as bad as usual when defending, thought we’d improved as a team. Stupid mistakes are still here though. 
 

Going forward though was awful and it was obvious from 5 mins in we needed more of an outlet going forward. Cooper seemed like he was playing to keep goal difference down. Shocking from Steve 

[Jaspa]

Soumare's at fault for the 1st, we just switched off and bang 1-0.

 

I don't really know what people expect, Man U away is always a rough fixture for us, 1 win in what 20yrs? We're a newly promoted team, not established Premier League any more. We have some good players but some that are flawed and others who have glaring faults. Also missing our main goalscorer.

 

Thought Fatawu put in a great account of himself. Find it unbelievable that Man U managed to get by without picking up any yellow cards - Dalot for 3 in the first half and the one where Casemiro just steps across to stop one of our lads on the breakaway in the second half. Very weak ref.

 

Poor performance. We need more about us if we expect to pick points up away from home against these sides regularly.

[Dan]

14 goals conceded in our last 5 games. Games against 5th, 13th, 13th, 17th and 20th.

Edited 10 November 2024 by Dan LCFC

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

1 minute ago, Dan LCFC said:

14 goals conceded in our last 5 games. Games against 5th, 13th, 13th, 17th and 20th.

 

Absolutely mad that such a defensively minded manager has made us as porous and disorganised at the back as we've been in years. Teams are routinely fashioning good quality chances n all aren't they, these aren't just potshots.

[Dan]

3 minutes ago, Miquel The Work Geordie said:

 

Absolutely mad that such a defensively minded manager has made us as porous and disorganised at the back as we've been in years. Teams are routinely fashioning good quality chances n all aren't they, these aren't just potshots.

How we've been hammered twice at Old Trafford in 10 days by this United is just astounding. We must be the only club in this country still scared of that club.

[Corky]

Just now, Dan LCFC said:

How we've been hammered twice at Old Trafford in 10 days by this United is just astounding. We must be the only club in this country still scared of that club.

Didn't Cooper play them four times (with a League Cup semi final) a couple of years ago and lose every game 2 or 3-0?

[Parker Pen]

Man U were poor and were definitely there for the taking! Unfortunately the team don’t have any belief in how they are being asked to play. A hybrid Enzo system without ‘Enzo’ telling the team exactly what he wants or when and how to attack, press etc. Its time to phone a friend Steve!
 

At times we played some ok stuff in midfield but failed to either play the right final pass or convert the chance - Ndidi first half one on one. Another example was the shambles of a free kick in the second half. Just why? 5 corners to their one as well and we have a specialist set piece coach and nothing created.

 

Add into the mix you never ever get anything other than a home refereeing performance at Old Trafford so you have to show up not gift wrap a home win for the tourists to film.

[Dan]

5 minutes ago, Corky said:

Didn't Cooper play them four times (with a League Cup semi final) a couple of years ago and lose every game 2 or 3-0?

Yep. He's on 7 losses out of 7 against them. This is from the Ten Hag era onwards too.

[Mike the Metal Ed]

51 minutes ago, BakerLCFC said:

Just rewatched the highlights back for the first goal as thought when I watched it live that Justin was at fault, again; but then realised that he was trying to mark Amad and Mazaroui while we have 6 Leicester players marking each other in the box! @StriderHiryu looking forward forward to you ripping apart this shocking display!

I think JJ has been in for a lot of undeserved flak this season for being out of position when our defensive shape has been nonexistant all season.

[Gamble92]

We must have some seriously high stats for tackling and over turning possession but it's actually unforgivable how a football team that is coached professionally all week can look so utterly clueless when they get that possession. 

 

Like just genuinely lost. Fatawu and Facuno look so good, if still too inexperienced. They get into some great positions and beat their men but there was nothing in the way of stretching Man United to give them anything to think about. So it's time and time again left to individual bits of brilliance that just weren't there today. 

 

What's frustrating is Man United looked shit again. Absolutely there to be got at. Yet we defend too deep and still look like we will concede any time someone half decent picks up the ball. And we are nowhere near good enough in attack. 

 

We aren't a million miles away from a decent Premier League team but we are being made to look it by absolute ineptitude.

[shasse]

The match report in the Sun. The only actual mention of Leicester city. Quote= "He opened the scoring here against woeful Leicester in the 17th  minute."

[LE3_Fox]

At some point I saw us play a 3-4-1-2 with Ndidi and Ayew in front of Buonanotte. How bad a striker is Edouard really? God how I long for Brenda's 4-1-4-1. 

[AKCJ]

7 hours ago, StriderHiryu said:

He was, but he's being hung out to dry because of the system Cooper is trying to play. It's just not working. Any player in that position would struggle.

 

With Ricardo out for four months, it's going to be JJ there for a lot longer.

Wait what? Ricardo is out for four months?

[Bptiger]

Well i quess everyone thought we would lose and we did , but we did play some footy but we take far to long to either run with the ball or pass it to a team mate , we look like a ship without a captain , again stupid lapses cost us , and no sting at the pointy end killed us , two fullbacks are terrible and vesty looks like he is out for a Sunday walk , the way we are going we will be in the drop zone sooner rather than latter 

[fox_favourite]

@StriderHiryu- in your next analysis, can you make a point on the body language of the players as the came out at the beginning of the match? There was literally no enthusiasm from them. They looked flat. You could tell when they came out that they looked like a team just going through the motions and didn't really want to be there.

 

Watch it back if you can from when the players first come out. They look flat as a pancake. 

 

Also Justin was RB, RWB and RW yesterday, Cooper is going to burn him out. We're so lop sided is disgraceful. How can you not have anyone on the right to help Justin? How can that be a good tactic? 

 

 

Edited 11 November 2024 by fox_favourite

[Vowels]

7 hours ago, BakerLCFC said:

Just rewatched the highlights back for the first goal as thought when I watched it live that Justin was at fault, again; but then realised that he was trying to mark Amad and Mazaroui while we have 6 Leicester players marking each other in the box! @StriderHiryu looking forward forward to you ripping apart this shocking display!

Appeared to me that we didn't really bother defending out wide; probably the players sub-consciously assuming/having learnt that our full backs are terrible.

 

We had loads of players in the middle quite a lot; they just then gave up when the ball did come central and prepared to take the kick off.

[phoneticerror]

1 hour ago, Vowels said:

Appeared to me that we didn't really bother defending out wide; probably the players sub-consciously assuming/having learnt that our full backs are terrible.

 

We had loads of players in the middle quite a lot; they just then gave up when the ball did come central and prepared to take the kick off.

Exactly this

[luthersfarm]

That picture above of their first goal is pretty damning really and it's why I can't really be too harsh on our full backs. it's so obviously a tactical issue. The whole team shape is a shambles. The midfield doesn't look like they know where they're meant to be positionally, they just clump together. Need Cooper gone. 

 

 

[Jaspa]

38 minutes ago, luthersfarm said:

That picture above of their first goal is pretty damning really and it's why I can't really be too harsh on our full backs. it's so obviously a tactical issue. The whole team shape is a shambles. The midfield doesn't look like they know where they're meant to be positionally, they just clump together. Need Cooper gone. 

 

Picture above came straight after a counter attack from one of our corners, the positions are scrambled because everyone’s just had to rush back. The space exploited for the goal was where Soumare should usually have been.

[l444ry]

53 minutes ago, luthersfarm said:

That picture above of their first goal is pretty damning really and it's why I can't really be too harsh on our full backs. it's so obviously a tactical issue. The whole team shape is a shambles. The midfield doesn't look like they know where they're meant to be positionally, they just clump together. Need Cooper gone. 

 

 

It's worse that that. It's a clear case of lack of communication and/or Leadership. Surely one of those seven defenders would have seen what was about to happen? Make that six as one had turned his back and stopped watching the ball. Pathetic.