ClaphamFox Posted 24 November 2024 Posted 24 November 2024 2 minutes ago, Big Blue Maff said: How many of us believe we can get 30 points from the remaining 27 games ?? Usually takes around 40 points to stay up !! No it doesn’t.
Fear Of The Fox Posted 24 November 2024 Posted 24 November 2024 Just now, FOXSE said: When was the last time it took 40 points to stay up? Season 2043-44 in my Football Manager save. 2
sharpylcfc Posted 24 November 2024 Posted 24 November 2024 7 minutes ago, HankMarvin said: Steve Cooper to Leicester was the managerial appointment that should never have happened so it is no surprise his tenure has ended after only 15 matches. There is fault on both sides. Though keen to return to the dugout after six months away from the game, Cooper was giving himself no margin of error by moving to Leicester. Sure enough, he has lasted barely five months, and it feels grimly appropriate that his final game should come against Enzo Maresca, who left Leicester for Chelsealast June. Maresca’s men won 2-1 at the King Power Stadium on Saturday on another day of struggle for Cooper. A former manager of Nottingham Forest was always going to be treated with suspicion by fans of their East Midlands rivals, especially one who was loved as much as Cooper was at the City Ground. Because Maresca, rather than Cooper, had led Leicester to promotion before leaving for Chelsea, Cooper could not count on any residual goodwill from players or supporters when times were tough. Both the Leicester squad and the fanbase are notoriously difficult to impress. Not even Brendan Rodgers, who led Leicester to two trophies and consecutive fifth-placed finishes, was loved by supporters, even before his reign fell apart in its final season. In that respect, Cooper was behind the eight ball from the moment he signed. Cooper has had to coach a squad built largely for Maresca, whose departure caught everyone by surprise, and has had to operate in the Premier Leaguerather than the Championship. After working for such an unforgiving boss in Evangelos Marinakis, perhaps Cooper thought life would be much easier at Leicester. He was wrong. The football structure at the King Power Stadium, driven by an all-powerful director of football in Jon Rudkin, caused moments of frustration for both Maresca and Rodgers, two of Leicester’s best coaches of modern times. Leicester have parted company with their manager Steve Cooper after just 15 matches Cooper has been in charge at the Foxes since August and has won four of the games he's been in charge of A former manager of Nottingham Forest was always going to be treated with suspicion by fans of their East Midlands rivals, especially one who was loved as much as Cooper A shrewder operation would never have appointed Cooper, for precisely the reasons the Welshman ought to have thought twice before accepting the role. Irritated by Graham Potter’s unwillingness to commit to the job and reluctant to pay the £4million release clause for West Brom coach Carlos Corberan, Leicester moved for Cooper after weeks of discussions. Leicester tried to appoint Potter in 2023 and last summer. Will it be third time lucky? Ruud van Nistelrooy also pushed for the job last summer and he left Manchester United with reputation improved. There were problems for the Cooper regime from the off. Coaches and players were unimpressed with the quality of hotels during the pre-season tour of Germany, with the standard of air-conditioning and poor WiFi connection among the complaints. Matters were little better in other areas, too: Cooper needed a centre-forward and though deals were lined up for Panathinaikos striker Fotis Ioannidis and Adam Hlozek of Bayer Leverkusen, Ioannidis stayed put and Hlozek moved to Hoffenheim instead. With Patson Daka injured until Saturday’s game, Jamie Vardy – who turns 38 in January – was the only fit forward Cooper trusted. No analysis of Leicester is complete without discussion of their greatest player. Still at the training ground for 8.30am, ultra-dedicated to his recovery and continuing to swear by his pre-match routine of cheese omelettes, espresso and Red Bull. If, in football speak, Vardy is ‘having’ a Leicester manager, life for the man in the dugout is considerably easier than when he is not. In his 12-year Foxes career, Vardy has seen eight full-time managers come and go and his legacy in that period is unmatched. Cooper knew this and tried hard to bring Vardy onside. After Vardy had scored in the 1-1 draw with Tottenham on August 19, Cooper claimed he had been ready to rule the skipper out due to injury, only for Vardy to insist he would play through the pain barrier. In interviews that night, Cooper said repeatedly Vardy was ‘the main man here’. Vardy has never questioned Cooper publicly and his performances in a struggling side - four goals in 11 games – brook little argument. The general feeling, though, is that many of the squad were never sold. While plenty may have liked Cooper personally, they were unconvinced by his tactics and training methods, feeling sessions were too long and that plans lacked the clarity of Maresca’s. It was poetic that Cooper's last game at the Foxes came against Enzo Maresca's Chelsea There were problems for the Cooper regime from the off including coaches and players being left unimpressed by hotels during a pre-season tour of Germany Ruud van Nistelrooy had pushed for the Leicester job before Cooper had taken over at the club Cooper had also been fiercly critical of referees, something that was par for the course at Nottingham Forest Read More Steve Cooper is SACKED as Leicester City manager after defeat by Chelsea Leicester have scored in every game but one but at the back they have been chaotic, facing 210 shots in 12 league games, a significant number of which were from dangerous positions. Cooper’s inability to make them more durable helped cook his goose. Cooper was fiercely critical of referees and while that was par for the course at Forest, who are owned by the volatile Evangelos Marinakis, such matters are approached differently at Leicester. This is believed to have caused some discomfort behind the scenes. Jannik Vestergaard was such a key man under Maresca that he was rewarded with a new three-year deal in June, not long before Cooper was appointed. After starting the season under Cooper, the Dane has largely been moved to the margins. Read into that what you will. When Cooper has time to reflect, he will surely accept that this was a job he needed to swerve. He remains a fine coach and he will be back. If Forest are now thriving in the top half of the table, Cooper deserves a great deal of credit. He led them to promotion in 2022 after taking charge when they were bottom of the Championship eight months earlier and kept them up under hugely difficult circumstances the following year. His work with Swansea and England’s age-group sides also mean Cooper will be courted again by upwardly-mobile clubs again. Similarly, Leicester’s squad need to take a look in the mirror. They may never have bought into Cooper’s methods but if they thought they could play Guardiola-lite football in the Premier League as they did in the Championship, they are foolish. Just look at Burnley, who tried to do the same under Vincent Kompany and are now back in the second tier. Cooper made mistakes aplenty but it is also time for certain players to leave their egos at the door if they do not want to follow the same path. What was the second trophy Rodgers won? Only won the FA Cup under him didn't we?
EastAnglianFox Posted 24 November 2024 Posted 24 November 2024 1 minute ago, Big Blue Maff said: How many of us believe we can get 30 points from the remaining 27 games ?? Usually takes around 40 points to stay up !! Absolutely not….if we can get to 35 I think we stay up
HankMarvin Posted 24 November 2024 Posted 24 November 2024 1 minute ago, Unabomber said: Nice and easy to read You could all ways subscribe to the article if I format the pasting it adds the links to the image hosting and messes up the format and I can’t be bothered editing it
Big Blue Maff Posted 24 November 2024 Posted 24 November 2024 1 minute ago, FOXSE said: When was the last time it took 40 points to stay up? I said it usually takes around 40 points ( read it ) not saying 40 will be enough
HankMarvin Posted 24 November 2024 Posted 24 November 2024 Just now, sharpylcfc said: What was the second trophy Rodgers won? Only won the FA Cup under him didn't we? Charity shield
Tuna Posted 24 November 2024 Posted 24 November 2024 1 minute ago, sharpylcfc said: What was the second trophy Rodgers won? Only won the FA Cup under him didn't we? Charity shield
The Guvnor Posted 24 November 2024 Posted 24 November 2024 Almost certainly some credence to the rumours that some senior players weren’t happy, our owner doesn’t fire people like some owners . We’ll need Marvo the magician to sort this shower out . 2
sharpylcfc Posted 24 November 2024 Posted 24 November 2024 1 minute ago, HankMarvin said: Charity shield Fair enough!
sharpylcfc Posted 24 November 2024 Posted 24 November 2024 1 minute ago, Tuna said: Charity shield Thank you.
Sly Posted 24 November 2024 Posted 24 November 2024 3 minutes ago, sharpylcfc said: What was the second trophy Rodgers won? Only won the FA Cup under him didn't we? Community Shield is massive these days 1
sharpylcfc Posted 24 November 2024 Posted 24 November 2024 Would it be the end of Rudkin if we bring in Potter?
ithuriel Posted 24 November 2024 Posted 24 November 2024 Strangely, never saw this coming, figured we'd be lumped with him until after Xmas at least.
HankMarvin Posted 24 November 2024 Posted 24 November 2024 At least it will make the football enjoyable again, well until we lose hope with the next manager
sharpylcfc Posted 24 November 2024 Posted 24 November 2024 Just now, Sly said: Community Shield is massive these days Certainly bigger than that "trophy" Cooper won at Forest that one only Forest or Derby can win. 1 2
Bilo Posted 24 November 2024 Posted 24 November 2024 7 minutes ago, Big Blue Maff said: How many of us believe we can get 30 points from the remaining 27 games ?? Usually takes around 40 points to stay up !! No, it won't. I doubt it'll take many more than last season given the growing gulf between midtable and the relegation dogfight. I'd say a more realistic total is 35 points, meaning we'll need 25 from 26. Given we've still to play West Ham twice, Everton away, Ipswich at home, Southampton at home, Wolves twice and Palace at home, and that's before the usual surprise wins and draws pretty much everyone gets, I'd say survival is realistic with the right man in place. 3
Daggers Posted 24 November 2024 Posted 24 November 2024 2 hours ago, The other Ollie said: 2 weeks wasted Four months wasted. This was one of the most ridiculous decisions KPFC have ever made. The bloke has a shite record and was never suitable, he was never going to achieve anything approaching success. This was them going budget and if you buy cheap you buy twice. 2 hours ago, moore_94 said: Monitored the performances 😂 And if they’re bothered about failing to connect with fans then maybe they should all fvck off too. 1
Unabomber Posted 24 November 2024 Posted 24 November 2024 9 minutes ago, HankMarvin said: You could all ways subscribe to the article if I format the pasting it adds the links to the image hosting and messes up the format and I can’t be bothered editing it No drama mate I wouldn’t read it anyway
FOXSE Posted 24 November 2024 Posted 24 November 2024 10 minutes ago, Big Blue Maff said: I said it usually takes around 40 points ( read it ) not saying 40 will be enough I read it. People go on about '40 point' usually 35-36 gets it done. Needing 40 points is very unusual.
Spiritwalker Posted 24 November 2024 Posted 24 November 2024 54 minutes ago, pazzerfox said: Reading the BBC comments. Everyone (other than some of our own fans) seems to think we have the worst squad in the league, which I tend to agree with. Most of those comments were from Notts F fans.
LCFC_Iceland Posted 24 November 2024 Posted 24 November 2024 Great now sack bc.game as a shirt sponsor and we will be so back I won’t know what to do with myself
PaulW Posted 24 November 2024 Posted 24 November 2024 1 hour ago, Rigga said: Top appointed him 😂 Not much gets past you.
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