Ruud van Nistelrooy - New Manager - Official

[CrispinLA in Texas]

41 minutes ago, SecretPro said:

Genuinely, where are his people? 

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[worthosoriginals]

51 minutes ago, SecretPro said:

Genuinely, where are his people? 

Holland.

[Plastik Man]

1 hour ago, SecretPro said:

Genuinely, where are his people? 

It is a slight worry the longer it goes on. He needs help and hasn't come in with a backroom team that many managers come with these days.

 

That is presuming most of the team left were Copper appointments rather than club?

 

But you'd still expect him to bring in more of his own team, even mid season?

[goog]

Maybe Iversen was took himself out of the equation a long time ago.

He wanted a move and the club blocked it on more than one occasion. 

A lot goes on internally thats never revealed.

 

 

Edited 16 December 2024 by goog

[Gazza M]

Maybe club trying to do this on cheap and not pay off the other staff from Coopers regime. But to be honest Dawson is a donkey and this set piece coach woeful it would seem. A luxury we can live with out in my opinion. Get them out along with Alcock and get a couple of new general coaches in who haven't got the Cooper way still ingrained. 

[tickler28]

If we lose on Sunday it's inevitable we lose the next 2 after that....that's 4 defeats on the spin and probably 5 when we play Villa away.....at what point do we start the Ruud out thread? Asking for a friend 

[Eskay]

48 minutes ago, tickler28 said:

If we lose on Sunday it's inevitable we lose the next 2 after that....that's 4 defeats on the spin and probably 5 when we play Villa away.....at what point do we start the Ruud out thread? Asking for a friend 

At that point....if we get there (4 defeats on the spin) - it's not on yet another manager. It's on the players- whether it's under performance or recruitment or squad balance etc etc is a different story.

 

But we will be at a point where we can't just keep blaming the manager. We have had a number of people coaching the team since Covid and we have been on a slide broadly. There is a deeper issue.

[Father Ted]

We will find out just how clueless he is if Ward starts over Iversen and Stolarczyk and if competition winner Mcateer starts a 4th consecutive game against Wolves

[les-tah]

16 minutes ago, Father Ted said:

We will find out just how clueless he is if Ward starts over Iversen and Stolarczyk and if competition winner Mcateer starts a 4th consecutive game against Wolves

“But Mcateer works so hard”

[Stadt]

10 hours ago, goog said:

Maybe Iversen was took himself out of the equation a long time ago.

He wanted a move and the club blocked it on more than one occasion. 

A lot goes on internally thats never revealed.

 

 

If that's the case then a good manager reconciles with the player. Picking Ward is picking relegation. It's absolutely insane hes at the club and it's even worse he's getting minutes.

 

[tickler28]

1 hour ago, Eskay said:

At that point....if we get there (4 defeats on the spin) - it's not on yet another manager. It's on the players- whether it's under performance or recruitment or squad balance etc etc is a different story.

 

But we will be at a point where we can't just keep blaming the manager. We have had a number of people coaching the team since Covid and we have been on a slide broadly. There is a deeper issue.

So if it's not on the manager but the players why was that not the case with Cooper?

[Eskay]

13 minutes ago, tickler28 said:

So if it's not on the manager but the players why was that not the case with Cooper?

I think it was both.

 

My feeling is if we can't sort it under Ruud you have then had so many managers with different styles etc and Ruud seems to have the respect of the players. The manager excuse has run its course.

[tickler28]

20 minutes ago, Eskay said:

I think it was both.

 

My feeling is if we can't sort it under Ruud you have then had so many managers with different styles etc and Ruud seems to have the respect of the players. The manager excuse has run its course.

The manager excuse never runs it's course buddy....you can't sack the players so what do you do? Continue to be crap and accept it or change manager?

[phildw]

If Vitor Pereira was so easily available why weren't we all over him when we sacked Cooper! 20 years of managerial experience and we decided to go for an inexperienced RVN because he's had links with mighty "united'

[Bilo]

1 minute ago, phildw said:

If Vitor Pereira was so easily available why weren't we all over him when we sacked Cooper! 20 years of managerial experience and we decided to go for an inexperienced RVN because he's had links with mighty "united'

Everton fans were so excited.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/jan/26/vitor-pereira-defends-record-in-attempt-to-placate-everton-fans

[wardyfox86]

1 hour ago, tickler28 said:

So if it's not on the manager but the players why was that not the case with Cooper?

Cooper was a lost cause, the players were never going to raise their game for him.

 

The issue with Ruud is, does he have the ability to make this rabble perform better than the sum of its parts after the obvious "new manager bounce?" 

 

If not, then it's going to have to be a fantastic transfer window to keep us up, as well as some tactical tweaks to stop us shipping 20+ shots a game. If that doesn't happen either, then you have to question whether, again, it was the correct appointment or whether we needed someone who knows his way around a bang average squad, a la Dyche who makes his turds unflushable, or Moyes.

 

Despite those questions, i'm backing RvN, he gets a free pass even if we go down this year. He needs to be backed ridiculously heavily for me in January to change the view that everything around him is the issue. Squad, recruitment, DoF etc. 

[Eskay]

49 minutes ago, tickler28 said:

The manager excuse never runs it's course buddy....you can't sack the players so what do you do? Continue to be crap and accept it or change manager?

Yep you're right unfortunately. But just where my head is at.....the recruitment and management of the squad incomings/outgoings is going to be my blame area now. It's not on RVN if we lose the next 5 games. 

 

He's got a system. A vision. He's respected and you want find many a better playing pedigree than him.....it's not his fault that we still have Danny Ward and Hamza in the ranks. 

 

I seriously worry that he's been told there is money in January to later discover there isn't.....its happened to Enzo and Rodgers. 

[tickler28]

3 minutes ago, Eskay said:

Yep you're right unfortunately. But just where my head is at.....the recruitment and management of the squad incomings/outgoings is going to be my blame area now. It's not on RVN if we lose the next 5 games. 

 

He's got a system. A vision. He's respected and you want find many a better playing pedigree than him.....it's not his fault that we still have Danny Ward and Hamza in the ranks. 

 

I seriously worry that he's been told there is money in January to later discover there isn't.....its happened to Enzo and Rodgers. 

I agree that Cooper was bad but just how bad he was only time will tell. I always got the impression that some supporters were deluded in thinking that we had a squad capable of comfortably staying up when that simply has never been the case 

[Happy Fox]

3 minutes ago, Eskay said:

Yep you're right unfortunately. But just where my head is at.....the recruitment and management of the squad incomings/outgoings is going to be my blame area now. It's not on RVN if we lose the next 5 games. 

 

He's got a system. A vision. He's respected and you want find many a better playing pedigree than him.....it's not his fault that we still have Danny Ward and Hamza in the ranks. 

 

I seriously worry that he's been told there is money in January to later discover there isn't.....its happened to Enzo and Rodgers. 

 

I don't think Ruud would have joined if there was no money available in January, he would have done his due diligence..

[Paninistickers]

13 hours ago, goog said:

Maybe Iversen was took himself out of the equation a long time ago.

He wanted a move and the club blocked it on more than one occasion. 

A lot goes on internally thats never revealed.

 

 

The thought had crossed my mind too.

 

But then Iversen was on the bench for the league cup games. Which suggests he is available for selection. 

 

Also, the manager needs only play a  straight bat 'Daniel isn't currently available for selection' if he's being prevented by the board from playing him. 

[Paninistickers]

26 minutes ago, phildw said:

If Vitor Pereira was so easily available why weren't we all over him when we sacked Cooper! 20 years of managerial experience and we decided to go for an inexperienced RVN because he's had links with mighty "united'

Because, ruud's agent got in touch and presumably this guy's didn't. We only appoint manager's who approach us. 

 

The exception to the rule was Pearson from Hull. Who of all people, Birch was involved in recruiting him. Says it all. 

[CosbehFox]

30 minutes ago, phildw said:

If Vitor Pereira was so easily available why weren't we all over him when we sacked Cooper! 20 years of managerial experience and we decided to go for an inexperienced RVN because he's had links with mighty "united'

His CV is so mid it's unreal - that and his only experience in such a situation led to 1860 Munich being relegated to the German third tier. 

[Chrysalis]

Got more Masseur's than first team coaches.

[Chrysalis]

8 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

Because, ruud's agent got in touch and presumably this guy's didn't. We only appoint manager's who approach us. 

 

The exception to the rule was Pearson from Hull. Who of all people, Birch was involved in recruiting him. Says it all. 

Pretty much this, Rudkin wont have contacts.

[Eskay]

16 minutes ago, tickler28 said:

I agree that Cooper was bad but just how bad he was only time will tell. I always got the impression that some supporters were deluded in thinking that we had a squad capable of comfortably staying up when that simply has never been the case 

I agree. 

 

When I was watching Wout and JJ each week churning out 3/10 performances it was really alarming. 

 

Equally we have seen positive moments from Benny and Bilal but neither is consistent enough or able to dominate their position....they're young and developing of course. 

 

Two of our big threats from last season were from wingers ...  I've not been impressed with either of those barring a couple of moments. 

 

Then to round it off our signings have been utter dross. Signing BDCR and Ayew is really questionable.