Ruud van Nistelrooy - New Manager - Official

[adejo92]

I don't think we should have ever recruited Cooper, I didn't enjoy his football, and he wasn't a long term solution....But one thing is for sure, we'd be better off than we are now points wise.

Edited 21 January by adejo92

[john ridley]

2 hours ago, HankMarvin said:

No doubt he would fit right in 

 

“Championship club Reading have parted company with manager Jaap Stam after a run of just one win in 18 league games. Former Manchester United and Netherlands defender Stam”

 

 

Well at least we've got the win out of the way 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[desertfox2]

If he hadn't been a good player, then he wouldn't have been given the job. It must be so frustrating for managers out there  who see big name ex players like RVN, Rooney, Lampard, Stam etc. walk into jobs that they aren't qualified for just because they were decent players. 

[South Shire Fox]

Have there been many Dutch manager that have done well in England besides Slot and maybe Hiddink as caretaker at Chelsea? No fault of their own but always found the Dutch managers to sound boring as fck to listen to. Accent that drones on. Cant be very inspiring for the players

Edited 21 January by South Shire Fox

[The Doctor]

58 minutes ago, adejo92 said:

I don't think we should have ever recruited Cooper, I didn't enjoy his football, and he wasn't a long term solution....But one thing is for sure, we'd be better off than we are now points wise.

would we really though? where do you see us picking up points under Cooper that we haven't under Ruud?

[Beachyboy]

1 hour ago, adejo92 said:

I don't think we should have ever recruited Cooper, I didn't enjoy his football, and he wasn't a long term solution....But one thing is for sure, we'd be better off than we are now points wise.

I think we may have the same points total, we may have managed draws at Crystal palace and Fulham games but we wouldn't have beat West Ham.

[BKLFox]

1 hour ago, South Shire Fox said:

Have there been many Dutch manager that have done well in England besides Slot and maybe Hiddink as caretaker at Chelsea? No fault of their own but always found the Dutch managers to sound boring as fck to listen to. Accent that drones on. Cant be very inspiring for the players

Ronald Koeman got Southampton to their highest ever finishes back to back  7th & then 6th in his 3yrs there before getting Everton into Europe before it went wrong there.

[Graceroad]

49 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

would we really though? where do you see us picking up points under Cooper that we haven't under Ruud?

Well under Cooper we were unbeaten against bottom 6 sides Ipswich Southampton Palace and Everton just played 2 bottom 6 sides under Ruud can't score a goal let alone get a point

[Graceroad]

28 minutes ago, Beachyboy said:

I think we may have the same points total, we may have managed draws at Crystal palace and Fulham games but we wouldn't have beat West Ham.

People who say we were lucky to beat Bourmouth when we should have been 3 up at half time conveniently  ignore the fact we were lucky to beat West Ham

[The Doctor]

7 minutes ago, Graceroad said:

Well under Cooper we were unbeaten against bottom 6 sides Ipswich Southampton Palace and Everton just played 2 bottom 6 sides under Ruud can't score a goal let alone get a point

so, again, what points dropped under Ruud do you think we would have got under Cooper. Bear in mind that under both we'd have had Ward in goal v Wolves, because Stolarcyk wasn't fit, Mads was injured and Cooper also favoured Ward over Iversen 

[adejo92]

1 hour ago, The Doctor said:

would we really though? where do you see us picking up points under Cooper that we haven't under Ruud?

Wolves, Palace & Fulham

 

Not saying we'd beat them, but we wouldn't have lost, especially not to Wolves & Palace.

 

Opinion of course, no one will ever know for sure.

[The Doctor]

5 minutes ago, adejo92 said:

Wolves, Palace & Fulham

 

Not saying we'd beat them, but we wouldn't have lost, especially not to Wolves & Palace.

 

Opinion of course, no one will ever know for sure.

nope, we'd have lost to wolves, as we'd have still had Ward in goal and he was the difference, unless you want to do some butterfly effect if cooper isn't sacked mads doesn't get injured, but that's just absurd speculation. I also don't think we win v West Ham or draw v Brighton under Cooper. Palace and Fulham ok, maybe we might have picked up points, however at best we'd be looking at the same number of points, just taken from different games.

Edited 21 January by The Doctor

[izzymuzzet]

13 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

Ronald Koeman got Southampton to their highest ever finishes back to back  7th & then 6th in his 3yrs there before getting Everton into Europe before it went wrong there.

Martin Jol was very good at Spurs for a couple of seasons before it went pear shaped. He then went to Fulham and did a decent job.

[filbertway]

I genuinely think Cooper would be sticking with Ward as well. #PremierLeagueExperience

Edited 21 January by filbertway

[Mickyblueeyes]

1 hour ago, South Shire Fox said:

Have there been many Dutch manager that have done well in England besides Slot and maybe Hiddink as caretaker at Chelsea? No fault of their own but always found the Dutch managers to sound boring as fck to listen to. Accent that drones on. Cant be very inspiring for the players

Gullit did well at Chelsea, not so good at Newcastle. Ronald Koeman at Southampton but failed at Everton (everyone fails there). Martin Jol did a job at Spurs without pulling up any trees. Hiddink and Slot as you say. Van Gaal won a trophy at United.
 

I don’t know if that’s any different in terms of numbers and success stories in comparison to any other nationality. 
 

 

[Happy Fox]

He has no coaching staff, even Cooper got x amount of coaches, it's crazy and bemusing from the board not to back him on this front. I am surprised we haven't played more expansive attacking football, I am sure Ruud would love to do this, but we don't have the personnel for this.

[Les-TA-Jon]

2 hours ago, adejo92 said:

I don't think we should have ever recruited Cooper, I didn't enjoy his football, and he wasn't a long term solution....But one thing is for sure, we'd be better off than we are now points wise.

It's hard to prove either way isn't it?

 

Would the players have kept playing for him? 

Would the crowd have turned more strongly against him? 

Would our clinical finishing maintained itself under him? 

How would we have fared under Cooper, with Mads, Ndidi and Fatawu out? 

 

How many points would we have if RVN had a preseason, influence over signings and a fully fit squad? 

[adejo92]

59 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

nope, we'd have lost to wolves, as we'd have still had Ward in goal and he was the difference, unless you want to do some butterfly effect if cooper isn't sacked mads doesn't get injured, but that's just absurd speculation. I also don't think we win v West Ham or draw v Brighton under Cooper. Palace and Fulham ok, maybe we might have picked up points, however at best we'd be looking at the same number of points, just taken from different games.

There's also a very poor Man City who our relegation rivals mostly took points from and an Aston Villa side who were missing their only real goal threat.

 

It's hard to ever say for sure, but I'm sticking to my thought that we'd be harder to beat, concede less goals and ultimately be in a better place points wise with Cooper.

 

Truth be known, I wouldn't pick either to manage our team though..

 

I mean at least Cooper wasn't close to breaking some of the worst records in Premier League history.

 

RVN is embarrassing us as a club, say no more.

Edited 21 January by adejo92

[filbertway]

8 minutes ago, adejo92 said:

There's also a very poor Man City who our relegation rivals mostly took points from and an Aston Villa side who were missing their best striker.

 

It's hard to ever say for sure, but I'm sticking to my thought that we'd be harder to beat, concede less goals and ultimately be in a better place points wise with Cooper.

 

Truth be known, I wouldn't pick either to manage our team though..

 

I mean at least Cooper wasn't close to breaking some of the worst records in Premier League history.

 

RVN is embarrassing us as a club, say no more.

Cooper was a Kalvin Phillips brain fart from losing 5 on the trot with his next 2 being a resurgent West Ham and Brighton... he wasn't a million miles away.

[foxfan92]

8 minutes ago, adejo92 said:

There's also a very poor Man City who our relegation rivals mostly took points from and an Aston Villa side who were missing their best striker.

 

It's hard to ever say for sure, but I'm sticking to my thought that we'd be harder to beat, concede less goals and ultimately be in a better place points wise with Cooper.

 

Truth be known, I wouldn't pick either to manage our team though..

 

I mean at least Cooper wasn't close to breaking some of the worst records in Premier League history.

 

RVN is embarrassing us as a club, say no more.

We should have paid the release clause for  Corberan even if that gave us a smaller transfer budget. 

 

We could have saved £25 million on Skipp and £3 million for Ayew, for a start. 

[adejo92]

6 minutes ago, filbertway said:

Cooper was a Kalvin Phillips brain fart from losing 5 on the trot with his next 2 being a resurgent West Ham and Brighton... he wasn't a million miles away.

Desperate attempt there, he went on to beat West Ham & Draw to Brighton (away) and the games he lost included Chelsea, Man Utd and a pretty ruthless in form Nottingham Forest...

 

Not a Fulham team (at home) who Ipswich and Southampton had recently got a point out of, Crystal Palace (at home) and a Wolves team (at home) who pretty much the whole league has beaten (yes including Ipswich).

Edited 21 January by adejo92

[orangecity23]

16 minutes ago, adejo92 said:

There's also a very poor Man City who our relegation rivals mostly took points from and an Aston Villa side who were missing their best striker.

 

It's hard to ever say for sure, but I'm sticking to my thought that we'd be harder to beat, concede less goals and ultimately be in a better place points wise with Cooper.

 

Truth be known, I wouldn't pick either to manage our team though..

Cooper lost twice in a week to a very poor Manchester United (conceding 8 across the two games) who are worse than Man City.

Cooper already lost to Villa once this season.

Cooper already lost to Fulham once this season.

Plenty of arguments to go the other way too.

[The Doctor]

18 minutes ago, adejo92 said:

Desperate attempt there, he went on to beat West Ham & Draw to Brighton (away) and the games he lost included Chelsea, Man Utd and a pretty ruthless in form Nottingham Forest...

 

Not a Fulham team (at home) who Ipswich and Southampton had recently got a point out of, Crystal Palace (at home) and a Wolves team (at home) who pretty much the whole league has beaten (yes including Ipswich).

no he didn't? we've not even played Brighton away yet, and again, anyone thinking wolves would have been different is not dealing in reality. it was ward or Iversen and cooper preferred ward too 

[The Fosse Way]

From watching the games, most fans wouldn't think we're worse in general play now than we were under Cooper.

 

The biggest factors that are leading some people to think Cooper was better than van Nistelrooy would probably be:

• Injuries to Hermansen, Ricardo, Fatawu and Ndidi
• Red cards for Ipswich and Southampton
• Change in Vardy's goalscoring form

May as well look at some stats to back up that feeling though.

The xG under Cooper and van Nistelrooy has remained pretty steadily at a 2-1 defeat on average across their games.

 

The big difference is that under van Nistelrooy we're conceding 0.34 goals per game more than our xG would suggest we should be.

 

If you look at the underlying numbers for xG and goal over and underperformance, there are 8 outlier games (our numbers first for consistency)

 

Under Cooper

• Crystal Palace (A) - xG 0.4 - 2.5 (actual score 2-2)
• Arsenal (A) - xG 0.3 - 4.4 (actual score 2-4)
• Bournemouth (H) - xG 0.8 - 2.1 (actual score 1-0)
• Manchester United (A) - xG 0.6 - 0.8 (actual score 0-3)

Expected points: 1

Actual points: 4

 

Under van Nistelrooy

• West Ham (H) - xG 1.7 - 3 (actual score 3-1)
• Wolves (H) - xG 0.8 - 1.1 (actual score 0-3)
• Manchester City (H) - xG 1.3 - 1.3 (actual score 0-2)
• Crystal Palace (H) - xG 1.7 - 1.8 (actual score 0-2)

Expected points: 3

Actual points: 3

 

If you equate the Bournemouth and West Ham home games as one under each of them we won when we should have lost, it's the Wolves, Man City and Palace home games which make the difference - all of those should have been draws based on the xG.

 

If RvN had Hermansen, Fatawu and Ndidi available for those games as Cooper did for the most part and/or the opposition get a red card and/or Vardy converts as he was earlier in the season, we probably win at least one of them, if not all three.

[foxfanazer]

This season has been a cluster **** from the very start. Cooper was a ln horrendous appointment and then they've panicked and given somebody with basically no experience of managing in England with no coaching staff or promise of signings. Waste of a space in this league